[Theory] The Reason Why Rinne Tensei'ing an Edo Zombie Causes Death To The Caster

[Pragmatic]

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Nice work. Always enjoy reading your threads

 

[shelke]

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Whilst I hold the stance that Obito never meant to Revive Madara as he decided to recruit Sasuke quite early on, you have put forth a convincing argument on the aspect of Impure Technique using a lot of chakra. Perhaps, Obito could have died all along. Why didn't Nagato revive Yahiko? It could very well imply that if a certain time has passed since the death of an individual, then bringing the soul back would cost too much chakra, as the death has occurred a while back, which could be the sole reason why Nagato didn't revive Yahiko.

Perhaps Nagato never knew Obito meant to use his outer path for reviving the real Madara? I seriously doubt he openly admitted he was the fake one, and it was a sham all along to cast some kind of infinite genjutsu. Regardless, it just shows that Obito doesn't want to die and probably didn't intend for Nagato to die as well. Perhaps that's why Sasuke was chosen in his place instead. Great hypothesis. Let's see if I am able to rep you now.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Nice work. Always enjoy reading your threads

Thanks, glad you did

 

[Steaktacular]

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Great work, as always!

All very nice and explained but I´m still wondering about wth Obito had planned for Sasuke...and what would that mean for Madara, when it comes to reviving him or not...still, Kabuto was there to "ruin" things anyway...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Great work, as always!

All very nice and explained but I´m still wondering about wth Obito had planned for Sasuke...and what would that mean for Madara, when it comes to reviving him or not...still, Kabuto was there to "ruin" things anyway...

Yeah. Kabuto was a major stumbling block to their plans

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

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It seems Derp Obito u may have to change your name to I Know The Truth i mean dang i was all obito never wanted to bring him back but this has completly blown it away

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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It seems Derp Obito u may have to change your name to I Know The Truth i mean dang i was all obito never wanted to bring him back but this has completly blown it away

Thanks, some seemed to assume that Obito didn't want Madara back alive based on his animosity with the latter in a previous chapter saying "I never though of you (Madara) as an ally" however, Obito was merely pointing out the fact that he has no love for Madara. But like they say "You don't need to love someone in order to need them" Madara is a necessity for the Eye of the Moon Plan's success, because Madara is the one who will cast Mugen Tsukoyomi on the Moon using the Juubi as his "battery source" this would also solve the issue of Madara's "Insurance" his assurance that Obito will and must revive him despite the latter's love or hate towards him because he is necessary.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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As MorphyRulez pointed out i believe it was because of natago's naturally powerful life force and longevity that allowed him to stay alive during rinne tensei.I do not believe it is because he is in edo form.Not unless they bring it up.This is a way more likely reason,because there strong life force and spiritual energy is what allow them to survive the fatal extraction of the tailed beast and still live.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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As MorphyRulez pointed out i believe it was because of natago's naturally powerful life force and longevity that allowed him to stay alive during rinne tensei.I do not believe it is because he is in edo form.Not unless they bring it up.This is a way more likely reason,because there strong life force and spiritual energy is what allow them to survive the fatal extraction of the tailed beast and still live.

The chakra needed is magnified when used on an edo tensei zombie, pls refer to the update in my original post

 

[Disquiet]

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You must be forgetting that Nagato isn't an original user of the Rinnegan. It isn't his...



I actually have to agree with Derp here. Nagato would have been drained had he attempted to control the Bijuu. It's not that Obito can't use any of Pain's techniques, it's the simple fact that by now his opposing enemies know how to counter it. Whether you're Nagato or Obito, if you're spamming Kamui, controlling seven of the Tailed-Beast and repeatedly trying to use any of the Six Paths techniques because they're all being countered, you won't have anything left. But again, guess we will never know...

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Again. Obito confirmed Kakashi's suspicions, meaning that it takes too much chakra out of him to control the tailed beasts and use rinnegan techs. Fact. Also, you missed my latter points. Obito has Hashi's dna, but as we have seen with Yamato, it doesn't equate to being on equal terms with Hashirama in terms of chakra, or anywhere close for that matter. Konan implied (Also this thread), that one would die from using rinnei tensei if they don't have enough chakra. Obito said he would die if he used it. It's quite clear. This is more logical than him dying from reviving an edo, when the purpose of rinnei tensei is to bring people back from the dead in first place.

The chakra needed is magnified when used on an edo tensei zombie, pls refer to the update in my original post

The rinnei tensei revives people from the dead. It doesn't kill them.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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The chakra needed is magnified when used on an edo tensei zombie, pls refer to the update in my original post

That cannot be proven even in the slightest by any evidence nor is it even hinted at.What is noted within the manga is that the uzumaki have a powerful life force and can survive an extraction that is fatal for anyone else.You can have your theory,but the context of your post makes it seem as if its the truth or you have substantial evidence to back it up which you don't.

Coupled with what -Yami- brings up about the conversation between obito and kakashi along with what knonan also states your theory falls flat.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Again. Obito confirmed Kakashi's suspicions, meaning that it takes too much chakra out of him to control the tailed beasts and use rinnegan techs. Fact. Also, you missed my latter points. Obito has Hashi's dna, but as we have seen with Yamato, it doesn't equate to being on equal terms with Hashirama in terms of chakra, or anywhere close for that matter. Konan implied (Also this thread), that one would die from using rinnei tensei if they don't have enough chakra. Obito said he would die if he used it. It's quite clear. This is more logical that him dying from reviving an edo, when the purpose of rinnei tensei is to bring people back from the dead in first place.







The rinnei tensei revives people from the dead. It doesn't kill them.

No it has something to do with the magnified chakra needed when reviving someone in Edo Form. If Madara remained in the Pure World then it would not have been fatal to Obito to revive him.

 

[Disquiet]

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No it has something to do with the magnified chakra needed when reviving someone in Edo Form. If Madara remained in the Pure World then it would not have been fatal to Obito to revive him.

Your example of magnified chakra was 'kill them' and then 'revive them'.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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No it has something to do with the magnified chakra needed when reviving someone in Edo Form. If Madara remained in the Pure World then it would not have been fatal to Obito to revive him.

You can't disclaim evidence against your favor without at least enclosing evidence that supports your own argument.That is not how a debate goes lol So far the conversation -yami brings up and the statement made by knonan and the known fact about the strong life force of uzumakis directly conflicts with what your stating.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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You can't disclaim evidence against your favor without at least enclosing evidence that supports your own argument.That is not how a debate goes lol So far the conversation -yami brings up and the statement made by knonan and the known fact about the strong life force of uzumakis directly conflicts with what your stating.

You cannot debate on axiomatic principles based upon absolute facts, theories are approximations to the possible outcomes of the future progression of the plot. They are not absolute none the less the theory I have proposed is plausible

PS: Obito has Hashirama Cells.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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You cannot debate on axiomatic principles based upon absolute facts, theories are approximations to the possible outcomes of the future progression of the plot. They are not absolute none the less the theory I have proposed is plausible

PS: Obito has Hashirama Cells.

Someones opinion couple with your opinion doesn't equate to truth nor does it dispel the evidence that opposes your theory.Now if it was hinted at in the manga and not someones opinion from the base then it would have credence.Hashirama cells boost psychical energy with is connected to stamina and vitality which is what something the uzumaki inherently have.

Theories can be approximations of possible outcomes,but you did not say its plausible you said it in the context as if it has already been proven.

"No it has something to do with the magnified chakra needed when reviving someone in Edo Form. If Madara remained in the Pure World then it would not have been fatal to Obito to revive him."

Without showcasing any evidence that indicates that your theory might be plausible in the first place.

A theory does not stand up on its own it needs credence that supports the theory in question.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Uzumaki's immense vitality and chakra reserves = Innate/Natural

Tobi's immense vitality and chakra reserves = Artificial.

Both of us know that Senju DNA is the Deus Ex Machina of Narutoverse.

 

[Disquiet]

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You cannot debate on axiomatic principles based upon absolute facts, theories are approximations to the possible outcomes of the future progression of the plot. They are not absolute none the less the theory I have proposed is plausible

PS: Obito has Hashirama Cells.

That does not stop anyone from trying. Furthermore, the theory creator may be unaware to certain facts. And theories can be proven wrong when such facts is brought to the light.


So does Yamato.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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Uzumaki's immense vitality and chakra reserves = Innate/Natural

Tobi's immense vitality and chakra reserves = Artificial.

Both of us know that Senju DNA is the Deus Ex Machina of Narutoverse.

Your addressing the end results of your theory without applying any reason to believe such a notion.
There is nothing that indicates/hints that obito now has higher chakra reserves.
I am not saying its not possible,but your lacking any substantial evidence that can back up your claims.

 

[lionel654]

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Sorry bro as good as your hypothesis sounds (not theory) you're off on this.......tobi doesn't know that he never planned to revived madara all along. he only put on a show because zetzu there, madara ordered zetzu to make sure tobi stays on course with the plan. when kabuto released edo tensei he knew that if madara saw that he hadnt gone with the plan shit would have gone down so that is why he rushed the eye transfer/ bijuu host releasing the juubi early