[Theory] Where it all turned bad (Izuna's Death)

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For those that would like to know :)

After reading 622, we can clearly see that... Madara is not an evil brat. He has the same desire to end the war as Hashirama. So what could have changed him so much?

As Tobirama stated, Madara loved his brother Izuna... may be even more than Itachi did Sasuke. So this in my mind rules out the Tobi's story of Madara. I don't think he took his brothers eyes while he was still alive, he probably got them from his corpse.(Just like how Sasuke got his EMS)

How did Izuna die? Hashirama killed him. I can't predict how it would happen but in chapter 621 page 11

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Hashirama, "It's an insult to our brothers and comrades"
Madara, "How dare you"

As for those who say Izuna gave Madara his eyes, that was a statement given to us by Tobi. Who knows how accurate that statement was. Itachi said the exact opposite. Also you can't prove that Madara told Obito everything I mean can you see Madara Uchiha telling Obito every truthful detail about his life? I cant.

To be honest, I think Hashirama killed Izuna without knowing that he was Izuna, or Madara didn't even tell Hashirama that he had a brother who hasn't died (in today's chapter Madara said I HAD 4 brothers so I was thinking he discluded Izuna and probably didn't want to tell Hashirama for unknown reasons, maybe he wasn't proud of his brother because Izuna didn't like the thought of peace).

Either way I'm sure Hashirama tried to convince Izuna otherwise (if Izuna tried to kill Hashirama).

That in my opinion proves... Hashirama did kill Izuna. Also In the previous story we were told that Madara and Hasi were fighting for the title of Hokage. Really? This doesn't look like competition fight but rather a fight for revenge(fight to the death). It would be silly if they would die for the title... besides they both look like the type who wouldn't really care for the title as long as there is peace.

That self-destructive uchiha love curse.

It strikes again.

Your thoughts?
 

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yeah he and hashirama shared the same goal just wanted to achieve by different means just like naruto and nagato...peace and fear
 

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Word.

Oh, and I am hopping onto the Mito Uzumaki bandwagon, and her involvement in the Madara/Hashirama event; there isn't too much detail on her yet so she could be a significant piece to the puzzle (eg. love triangle [although unlikely]).
 

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Well I origionally though Izuna was going to be an Itachi....kinda sad it might turn out to be the opposite :/.

Anyways I've been thinking that maybee Tobirama defeats Izuna, but Hashirama arrives in time to stop his brother. Being full of pride, Izuna would angrily try and take the chance to kill Tobirama, but Hashirama would basically one shot Mokuton rape him in instinctual self defense of his brother....especially now that we learned he's lost a brother.

I mean it is proof enough that Madara wasn't 100% honest when he mentioned to Obito that he only had Izuna XD! But until further notice I want to say Izuna wad a nice guy....maybee over time Madara changed despite being Hashirama's friend
 
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For those that would like to know :)

After reading 622, we can clearly see that... Madara is not an evil brat. He has the same desire to end the war as Hashirama. So what could have changed him so much?

As Tobirama stated, Madara loved his brother Izuna... may be even more than Itachi did Sasuke. So this in my mind rules out the Tobi's story of Madara. I don't think he took his brothers eyes while he was still alive, he probably got them from his corpse.(Just like how Sasuke got his EMS)

How did Izuna die? Hashirama killed him. I can't predict how it would happen but in chapter 621 page 11

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Hashirama, "It's an insult to our brothers and comrades"
Madara, "How dare you"

As for those who say Izuna gave Madara his eyes, that was a statement given to us by Tobi. Who knows how accurate that statement was. Itachi said the exact opposite. Also you can't prove that Madara told Obito everything I mean can you see Madara Uchiha telling Obito every truthful detail about his life? I cant.

To be honest, I think Hashirama killed Izuna without knowing that he was Izuna, or Madara didn't even tell Hashirama that he had a brother who hasn't died (in today's chapter Madara said I HAD 4 brothers so I was thinking he discluded Izuna and probably didn't want to tell Hashirama for unknown reasons, maybe he wasn't proud of his brother because Izuna didn't like the thought of peace).

Either way I'm sure Hashirama tried to convince Izuna otherwise (if Izuna tried to kill Hashirama).

That in my opinion proves... Hashirama did kill Izuna. Also In the previous story we were told that Madara and Hasi were fighting for the title of Hokage. Really? This doesn't look like competition fight but rather a fight for revenge(fight to the death). It would be silly if they would die for the title... besides they both look like the type who wouldn't really care for the title as long as there is peace.

That self-destructive uchiha love curse.

It strikes again.

Your thoughts?

But Itachi showed Sasuke with his sharingan :|
 

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yeah he and hashirama shared the same goal just wanted to achieve by different means just like naruto and nagato...peace and fear

Yeah

Word.

Oh, and I am hopping onto the Mito Uzumaki bandwagon, and her involvement in the Madara/Hashirama event; there isn't too much detail on her yet so she could be a significant piece to the puzzle (eg. love triangle [although unlikely]).

Well I origionally though Izuna was going to be an Itachi....kinda sad it might turn out to be the opposite :/.

Anyways I've been thinking that maybee Tobirama defeats Izuna, but Hashirama arrives in time to stop his brother. Being full of pride, Izuna would angrily try and take the chance to kill Tobirama, but Hashirama would basically one shot Mokuton rape him in instinctual self defense of his brother....especially now that we learned he's lost a brother.

I mean it is proof enough that Madara wasn't 100% honest when he mentioned to Obito that he only had Izuna XD! But until further notice I want to say Izuna wad a nice guy....maybee over time Madara changed despite being Hashirama's friend

Lol nice post dude! Even when you don't want to you find a way to analyze a theory and create another theory! xd
 
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For those that would like to know :)

After reading 622, we can clearly see that... Madara is not an evil brat. He has the same desire to end the war as Hashirama. So what could have changed him so much?

As Tobirama stated, Madara loved his brother Izuna... may be even more than Itachi did Sasuke. So this in my mind rules out the Tobi's story of Madara. I don't think he took his brothers eyes while he was still alive, he probably got them from his corpse.(Just like how Sasuke got his EMS)

How did Izuna die? Hashirama killed him. I can't predict how it would happen but in chapter 621 page 11

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Hashirama, "It's an insult to our brothers and comrades"
Madara, "How dare you"

As for those who say Izuna gave Madara his eyes, that was a statement given to us by Tobi. Who knows how accurate that statement was. Itachi said the exact opposite. Also you can't prove that Madara told Obito everything I mean can you see Madara Uchiha telling Obito every truthful detail about his life? I cant.

To be honest, I think Hashirama killed Izuna without knowing that he was Izuna, or Madara didn't even tell Hashirama that he had a brother who hasn't died (in today's chapter Madara said I HAD 4 brothers so I was thinking he discluded Izuna and probably didn't want to tell Hashirama for unknown reasons, maybe he wasn't proud of his brother because Izuna didn't like the thought of peace).

Either way I'm sure Hashirama tried to convince Izuna otherwise (if Izuna tried to kill Hashirama).

That in my opinion proves... Hashirama did kill Izuna. Also In the previous story we were told that Madara and Hasi were fighting for the title of Hokage. Really? This doesn't look like competition fight but rather a fight for revenge(fight to the death). It would be silly if they would die for the title... besides they both look like the type who wouldn't really care for the title as long as there is peace.

That self-destructive uchiha love curse.

It strikes again.

Your thoughts?

And you're wrong when kakashi was a child he had to hunt his friends down like animals and kill them just to pass and that was when kakashi was a child and if you think back how long ago madara and the 1st fought it could have been over the stone skipping LMAO!
 

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1. You said you proved that Hashi killed Izuna. You didn't. Only Kishi can prove that.
2. Izuna was said to be a pacifist. Madara was war-hungry.
 

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I think Izuna died after konoha was formed.... But yeah i agree that Izuna might have died by Hashirama's hands....
 

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But Itachi showed Sasuke with his sharingan :|
But Itachi wasn't there was he?
Dats it is good point
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1. You said you proved that Hashi killed Izuna. You didn't. Only Kishi can prove that.
2. Izuna was said to be a pacifist. Madara was war-hungry.

1.It's a theory, never take theories as real.
2. Pacifist? :rofl: he killed his best friend to unlock MS....

I think Izuna died after konoha was formed.... But yeah i agree that Izuna might have died by Hashirama's hands....

Yup thanks for rep btw.
 
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But Itachi wasn't there was he?

Thanks and thanks for rep


1.It's a theory, never take theories as real.
2. Pacifist? :rofl: he killed his best friend to unlock MS....



Yup thanks for rep btw.

Then how did he show him -_- how does he even know what he looks like -.-" it wasn't genjutsu either.
 

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Then how did he show him -_- how does he even know what he looks like -.-" it wasn't genjutsu either.

He showed him from the story that he was told.

Plus Madara is an Uchiha god of course they know what he looks like.
 

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Ur wlcm.... Again I wantd to put a thanks for tis thread but Im surfing using my cell.... And its a drag to be online using cell.... :D :D
 

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Ur wlcm.... Again I wantd to put a thanks for tis thread but Im surfing using my cell.... And its a drag to be online using cell.... :D :D

Lol it's all right you can do it when you get on a laptop.

Glad you liked my thread!
 

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Then how did he show him -_- how does he even know what he looks like -.-" it wasn't genjutsu either.


are you dumb.. It certainly didn't happen the way itachi said it, He just said it to keep sasuke away from Tobi. And it wouldn't surprise me if it was a genjutsu either
 
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Well I origionally though Izuna was going to be an Itachi....kinda sad it might turn out to be the opposite :/.

Anyways I've been thinking that maybee Tobirama defeats Izuna, but Hashirama arrives in time to stop his brother. Being full of pride, Izuna would angrily try and take the chance to kill Tobirama, but Hashirama would basically one shot Mokuton rape him in instinctual self defense of his brother....especially now that we learned he's lost a brother.

I mean it is proof enough that Madara wasn't 100% honest when he mentioned to Obito that he only had Izuna XD! But until further notice I want to say Izuna wad a nice guy....maybee over time Madara changed despite being Hashirama's friend

Valid theory, I would like to see more development of Tobirama & Izuna during this flashback.shodaimeicon:
 
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