If you go on marrying in your own clan.... the clan will get really small and there will come a time that you have to marry an outsider or you will have to marry your own cousins(This one is sure absurd as you cannot marry your own cousins).... And regarding Gin and Kin....
Raikage said - "During their era The Hidden Cloud tried to capture the Nine Tailed Fox.Apparently the Fox swallowed the two of them." which implies they were trying to capture Kurama on orders of The Hidden Cloud(That time's Raikage).
Is this canon or are you fantasizing? And don't tell me it's only logical because the Uchiha clearly never married outside the Clan, to treasure their abilities and secrets and they had enough members to Maintain a large area. You still haven't factually proven that Kin and Gin had any blood relations to the Uzumaki clan, albeit you won't be able to so i'll leave it as that.
Is this canon or are you fantasizing? And don't tell me it's only logical because the Uchiha clearly never married outside the Clan, to treasure their abilities and secrets and they had enough members to Maintain a large area. You still haven't factually proven that Kin and Gin had any blood relations to the Uzumaki clan, albeit you won't be able to so i'll leave it as that.
We are not talking about facts, we are talking about possibilities based on the material at hand, that's why it's theorycrafting, if they were absolute stated facts all of us wouldn't have this discussion in the first place, we are approximating the most probable outcomes
Smh. Pseudo implies "False". You can't be a false jinchuriki when a Jinchuriki is someone with a tailed beast inside. Kin and Gin never claimed of being hosts of kurama, and it was blatantly obvious that they weren't being that they failed to subdue the beast. I see what your trying to convey however, but i disagree with the terminology. Their transformation is identical to
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who is termed by wikia as a Pseudo Jinchuriki but you have made statements that Kin and Gin became successful jinchuriki's of Kurama which is falsity.
We are not talking about facts, we are talking about possibilities based on the material at hand, that's why it's theorycrafting, if they were absolute stated facts all of us wouldn't have this discussion in the first place, we are approximating the most probable outcomes
I well aware but he's trying to convince me that Kin and Gin had blood relations with the uzumaki, but he's provided no foundation for this theory, hence why i disagree and will seek to correct the misconception.
Until Kishi sama gives us facts we can only try to pick from his hints....
You said I haven't proved it Factually....
I say I have tried to read Kishi sama's hints which he will surely later covert into facts....
That's what a Theory means.... Trying to figure out facts from the authors hints....
Smh. Pseudo implies "False". You can't be a false jinchuriki when a Jinchuriki is someone with a tailed beast inside. Kin and Gin never claimed of being hosts of kurama, and it was blatantly obvious that they weren't being that they failed to subdue the beast. I see what your trying to convey however, but i disagree with the terminology. Their transformation is identical to
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who is termed by wikia as a Pseudo Jinchuriki but you have made statements that Kin and Gin became successful jinchuriki's of Kurama which is falsity.
No, pseudo means partly aka partly-jinchuuriki argue with all the semantics you want, all the evidences point to Rikudo being an Uzumaki, to reject that is merely denial and fanboyism sorry.
Until Kishi sama gives us facts we can only try to pick from his hints....
You said I haven't proved it Factually....
I say I have tried to read Kishi sama's hints which he will surely later covert into facts....
That's what a Theory means.... Trying to figure out facts from the authors hints....
I know that your theorizing based on hints from the author, but my problem is that you have made bold statements which contradicts/was never implied/stated in the manga:
At some point of time between The death of SO6P and The destruction of The Land Of Whirlpools some of the Uzumakis
settled in different parts of the world and especially in The Land of Mist and The Land of Lightning....
Slowly their linage started to dissolve and along with it the name Uzumaki....The last survivers could only be recognized because of their immense Chakra reserves.... 2 of them being Kinkaku and Ginkaku....
So I think that Kinkaku's and Ginkaku's immense Chakra Reserves and the fact that they survived eating the 9 Tail's inside flesh after being swallowed by him as well as their ability to use Kurama's Chakra(9 Tails Cloak) is a hint of their Uzumaki Lineage and their ability to use The Treasured Tools Of The SO6P with such ease and The Raikage's words are a hint that The SO6P was an Uzumaki....
If they are theories also, why not indicate? after all, your OP is mis-leading, ginving readers the the feeling that you were providing factual evidence, not just another theory.
No, pseudo means partly aka partly-jinchuuriki argue with all the semantics you want, all the evidences point to Rikudo being an Uzumaki, to reject that is merely denial and fanboyism sorry.
I know that your theorizing based on hints from the author, but my problem is that you have made bold statements which contradicts/was never implied/stated in the manga:
If they are theories also, why not indicate? after all, your OP is gives me the feeling that you were providing factual evidence, not just another theory.
Without the first statement it can't be shown as to how Uzumaki descendants could be somewhere else other than in Land of Whirlpools or Land of Fire.... And it is true.... If you want an example take Nagato....
In case of Nagato his distinct Red hair was also a proof of his being an Uzumaki.... Kin and Gin don't have red hair.... Even Naruto doesn't(I'm mentioning the hair color thing b4 hand should you argue on it latr)
He was an Uzumaki from the Hidden Rain....
For your second underlined statement....
Nagato's unusual Chakra and Uzumaki descent made Madara choose him to have Madara's Rinnegan....
Shouri,explain why kushina had the chakra chain which was identical to the outer path?
Simple! Kushina was an Uzumaki,which showed rikoudu had it.....so?
Shouri,explain why kushina had the chakra chain which was identical to the outer path?
Simple! Kushina was an Uzumaki,which showed rikoudu had it.....so?
Yeah, it's so obvious it's staring right at you in the face, just like Tobi being Obito because they have the same haircut, xd one thing you learn from this manga, the most obvious explanation is probably the orrect one, kinda like Occam's Razor
Without the first statement it can't be shown as to how Uzumaki descendants could be somewhere else other than in Land of Whirlpools or Land of Fire.... And it is true.... If you want an example take Nagato....
No. When obito at 16 met Nagato he was roughly 18 years old, meaning that Minato and Kushina are older than Nagato. Tracking back, to his parents 18 years prior, it adds up why they were in the Hidden Rain..the uzumaki clan was destroyed a few years prior.
Yeah, it's so obvious it's staring right at you in the face, just like Tobi being Obito because they have the same haircut, xd one thing you learn from this manga, the most obvious explanation is probably the orrect one, kinda like Occam's Razor
Anyone with an aptitude in advanced mathematics could have known that since!
Seriously the most propable explanation is the right answer,No need to make it complex!
Ave known Rikoudu was an Uzumaki since the kage meeting arc!
No. When obito at 16 met Nagato he was roughly 18 years old, meaning that Minato and Kushina are older than Nagato. Tracking back, to his parents 18 years prior, it adds up why they were in the Hidden Rain..the uzumaki clan was destroyed a few years prior.
Just another theory your trying to convey as fact.
We're trying to solve a mystery here,and for the first time,we're on to something!
So what if Rikoudu was an uzumaki?
It doesn't matter since no uzumaki would become as strong as him!
Shouri,explain why kushina had the chakra chain which was identical to the outer path?
Simple! Kushina was an Uzumaki,which showed rikoudu had it.....so?
Yeah I got it....
The Outer paths chakra chain is an ability of the Rinnegan.... The Sage possesed it....
And if anyone(Kushina) posses the same technique without possessing the rinnegan.... It means they share the similar blood/ same chakra type.... a chakra type which can only be possesed in a lineage....
That's THE proof of The SO6P being a Uzumaki....
Rather obvious that it would only make sense that way. There's no reason to relocate from your comfortable home, Village and people, friends and family to other countries...especially in times of War. Unless you have better reasoning?
Rather obvious that it would only make sense that way. There's no reason to relocate from your comfortable home, Village and people, friends and family to other countries...especially in times of War. Unless you have better reasoning?
Your wrong!
Minato is younger than Nagato, A year after minato died was when he went to approach nagato.Minato died at approx 22,which makes nagato 23 and obito 16 then!
Rather obvious that it would only make sense that way. There's no reason to relocate from your comfortable home, Village and people, friends and family to other countries...especially in times of War. Unless you have better reasoning?
The SO6P was an Uzumaki.... you currently agree or not.... When He chose his younger son over his elder.... The elder bro fought with the younger.... That's where the main Senju - Uchiha rivalry started.... SO6P being an Uzumaki.... His homeland was The Land of Whirlpools.... If he died in his homeland and his sons fought there along with their respective followers creating tensed atmosphere.... Some Uzumaki's would prefer to relocate.... If you go on asking I can make more and more theories and also have logic to them.... I can go on.... There's no end to it.... Believe it....
Another speculative theory no doubt. Very speculative. How can the sage possibly be the forefather of the Senju and the Uzumaki clan when their "Distant blood relatives". A phrase that has been taken out of context. Putting aside speculative theories, let us see what the Manga has to say about the sage's TrueOrigin's. We can first establish that every myth is based off of true events. In this case the greatest factor supporting that is the fact that Jiraiya's Legends (manga statement):
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were confirmed via context and imagery by those capable of reading the Uchiha stone tablet, which the Secrets of the Sage are inscribed:
Obito made some statments about the Sage at the Kage summit, as we should remember:
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If you don't understand how the two pictures connect, open this spoiler.If you do, move on.
The Kage's anticipated that Obito (referred to madara at the time) Had the Eternal Mangekyo sharingan and also the Rinnegan of nagato, so he must've read the Stone tablet for himself and knew what was inscribed, as Mei indicates here:
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Obito made no attempt to correct her incorrect assumption because he was too caught up impersonating. What is the truth then? Did he really read the Stone tablet? Reality is
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. So how did Obito know then? Then Manga clarifies where obito got all that information he cited to the Hokage's from:
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So how can we trust Madara's credibility? how do we know that his words to obito were true?
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- Keep this in mind.
Now staying on track, we were and have established that Jiriaya's legends are true and in relation to the Uchiha stone upon which are written
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. Which gives us reason to take his ledgends as true. Now we get to the good part (more statements ofc).
What does Jiraiya tell us about the sage's true origin?
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Lets break it up:
1) Long ago people were always at war
Obviously. With something like the juubi destroying cities and nations, Ruling powers would oppress the poor and survivors from destroyed cities would most likely be treated badly ect, ect. And would've been much worst than the 3rd ninja war.
2) A Single Priest Appeared.
What does this imply? Well firstly it implies that the sage was a priest before/B] he appeared on the scene. It also implies that he came from a line/family of priests who's studies and experiments possibly brought about his resolution to defeating the Juubi and his religion which we will now discuss. Further implications that these Priest Studied the Juubi would be the Artifacts in the home of the sage. if we
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we'll see a picture on the wall with several lines. That picture is blown up
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depicting the eye of the juubi and also the balance of Yin and Yang chakra. It implies Nothing of A clan/The uzumaki clan
3) and finally, " His Religeon"
This is where the Misconception lines in the Statements and actual manga fact. The Sage's Religion/teaching was Basic Ninjutsu and the ability to harness chakra then utilize it.
Possible Questions about this, in the spoiler. If you have none, skip it
Question: How would it have assisted in the war ridden world?
-> Think of it this way, Giving the weaker nations the ability to fight back against Stronger nations which would bring froth some equity between nations in the end. It also would've assisted them in better retaliating against the Juubi.
Question: Did the Sage tech things like Jinton?
Jutsu was developed over time. As Clans experimented with the Sage's techings (basic ninjutsu) they eventually learn to merge them to produce thing's like KKG and KKT.
The Sage thought Basic Ninjutsu NOT just to his sons but the Whole world.
What does this mean?
It Means All the Clans that existed learned Basic ninjtus then down through the generations they advanced upon them merging techniques ect, ect.
What does this not mean? Problem#1
-> That Fuuinjutsu was never there - Sealing techniques
-> That Taijutsu was never there -
More misconception
So far we know:
-> Jiraiya's ledgends of the sage match the Uchiha stone
-> Obito is citing madara, its true because madara deciphered the uchiha stone to get the information.
-> Bla, Bla, Bla about the sage and what he did
-> He was a priest with no affiliated clan
Moving forward with thoes points established, we tackle scans opposing the bold above:
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Obito said that the Sage Ninjutsu (not fuuinjutsu) the Sage developed was secretly Passed down. His choice was to pass it down to the Uzumaki clan back at that time being that they were masters at sealing techniques. It would've been the most logical choice.
Big question: What was this Ninjutsu? Was it the same one kushina was talking about?
-> No it wasn't. What kushina was referring to was the double 4 symbols seal, a Fuuinjutsu (not a ninjutsu).
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Newbies who are clueless about 4 symbol seal, read this spoiler.
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The Eight Trigrams Sealing Style, consisting of two Four Symbols Seals, was used by Minato Namikaze to help Naruto Uzumaki access the chakra of Kurama, the tailed beast sealed within him.
Big Question #2: So What kinda ninjutsu was the Sage talking about?
-> A very Special Ninjtusu that Mito Uzumaki Possessed that just like the Sage of Six Paths who sealed the Juubi into himself, allowed mito to seal Kurama into herself. It is the same Ninjutsu Madara would use to become the Juubi's host.
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So How are the Uzumaki Distant blood relatives?
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The Uchiha only marry inside of the clan, that is a fact. Being that we know litte of the Senju clan, the above picture shows us their lineage going down...never crossing paths. The Senju Likewise Married inside of the clan to maintain their attributes inherited from the sage. The Reason the Uzumaki are distant relatives to the Senju is equated to the reason why the Hyuga are said to be distant relative's to the Uchiha.
- Test of logic/putting it together -
When The Sage first appeared on the scene he had the Rinnegan, else, the people in the world who worshiped and learned Ninjtus from him as a God would've noticed the drastic change in his eyes and power and passed down the Legend to their generations. Only logical and Sensible of them to do so. The Sage Came from a line of priest...he had a mother and a father being that he was Human. He could've had siblings who spurred the Uzumaki clan and the Hyuga clan which would explain why he trusted the ninjutsu to the Uzumaki and why he possessed a doujutsu. Family traits. We already know that uzumaki's do not have full control over the rinnegan, why should we debunk the Sage's hype? So Madara has better control of the Rinnegan because he has Senju DNA and the sage doesn't? I doubt....wouldn't make sense.
Another speculative theory no doubt. Very speculative. How can the sage possibly be the forefather of the Senju and the Uzumaki clan when their "Distant blood relatives". A phrase that has been taken out of context. Putting aside speculative theories, let us see what the Manga has to say about the sage's TrueOrigin's. We can first establish that every myth is based off of true events. In this case the greatest factor supporting that is the fact that Jiraiya's Legends (manga statement):
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were confirmed via context and imagery by those capable of reading the Uchiha stone tablet, which the Secrets of the Sage are inscribed:
Obito made some statments about the Sage at the Kage summit, as we should remember:
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If you don't understand how the two pictures connect, open this spoiler.If you do, move on.
The Kage's anticipated that Obito (referred to madara at the time) Had the Eternal Mangekyo sharingan and also the Rinnegan of nagato, so he must've read the Stone tablet for himself and knew what was inscribed, as Mei indicates here:
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Obito made no attempt to correct her incorrect assumption because he was too caught up impersonating. What is the truth then? Did he really read the Stone tablet? Reality is
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. So how did Obito know then? Then Manga clarifies where obito got all that information he cited to the Hokage's from:
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So how can we trust Madara's credibility? how do we know that his words to obito were true?
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- Keep this in mind.
Now staying on track, we were and have established that Jiriaya's legends are true and in relation to the Uchiha stone upon which are written
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. Which gives us reason to take his ledgends as true. Now we get to the good part (more statements ofc).
What does Jiraiya tell us about the sage's true origin?
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Lets break it up:
1) Long ago people were always at war
Obviously. With something like the juubi destroying cities and nations, Ruling powers would oppress the poor and survivors from destroyed cities would most likely be treated badly ect, ect. And would've been much worst than the 3rd ninja war.
2) A Single Priest Appeared.
What does this imply? Well firstly it implies that the sage was a priest before/B] he appeared on the scene. It also implies that he came from a line/family of priests who's studies and experiments possibly brought about his resolution to defeating the Juubi and his religion which we will now discuss. Further implications that these Priest Studied the Juubi would be the Artifacts in the home of the sage. if we
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we'll see a picture on the wall with several lines. That picture is blown up
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depicting the eye of the juubi and also the balance of Yin and Yang chakra. It implies Nothing of A clan/The uzumaki clan
3) and finally, " His Religeon"
This is where the Misconception lines in the Statements and actual manga fact. The Sage's Religion/teaching was Basic Ninjutsu and the ability to harness chakra then utilize it.
Possible Questions about this, in the spoiler. If you have none, skip it
Question: How would it have assisted in the war ridden world?
-> Think of it this way, Giving the weaker nations the ability to fight back against Stronger nations which would bring froth some equity between nations in the end. It also would've assisted them in better retaliating against the Juubi.
Question: Did the Sage tech things like Jinton?
Jutsu was developed over time. As Clans experimented with the Sage's techings (basic ninjutsu) they eventually learn to merge them to produce thing's like KKG and KKT.
The Sage thought Basic Ninjutsu NOT just to his sons but the Whole world.
What does this mean?
It Means All the Clans that existed learned Basic ninjtus then down through the generations they advanced upon them merging techniques ect, ect.
What does this not mean? Problem#1
-> That Fuuinjutsu was never there - Sealing techniques
-> That Taijutsu was never there -
More misconception
So far we know:
-> Jiraiya's ledgends of the sage match the Uchiha stone
-> Obito is citing madara, its true because madara deciphered the uchiha stone to get the information.
-> Bla, Bla, Bla about the sage and what he did
-> He was a priest with no affiliated clan
Moving forward with thoes points established, we tackle scans opposing the bold above:
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Obito said that the Sage Ninjutsu (not fuuinjutsu) the Sage developed was secretly Passed down. His choice was to pass it down to the Uzumaki clan back at that time being that they were masters at sealing techniques. It would've been the most logical choice.
Big question: What was this Ninjutsu? Was it the same one kushina was talking about?
-> No it wasn't. What kushina was referring to was the double 4 symbols seal, a Fuuinjutsu (not a ninjutsu).
-pause-
Newbies who are clueless about 4 symbol seal, read this spoiler.
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The Eight Trigrams Sealing Style, consisting of two Four Symbols Seals, was used by Minato Namikaze to help Naruto Uzumaki access the chakra of Kurama, the tailed beast sealed within him.
Big Question #2: So What kinda ninjutsu was the Sage talking about?
-> A very Special Ninjtusu that Mito Uzumaki Possessed that just like the Sage of Six Paths who sealed the Juubi into himself, allowed mito to seal Kurama into herself. It is the same Ninjutsu Madara would use to become the Juubi's host.
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So How are the Uzumaki Distant blood relatives?
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The Uchiha only marry inside of the clan, that is a fact. Being that we know litte of the Senju clan, the above picture shows us their lineage going down...never crossing paths. The Senju Likewise Married inside of the clan to maintain their attributes inherited from the sage. The Reason the Uzumaki are distant relatives to the Senju is equated to the reason why the Hyuga are said to be distant relative's to the Uchiha.
- Test of logic/putting it together -
When The Sage first appeared on the scene he had the Rinnegan, else, the people in the world who worshiped and learned Ninjtus from him as a God would've noticed the drastic change in his eyes and power and passed down the Legend to their generations. Only logical and Sensible of them to do so. The Sage Came from a line of priest...he had a mother and a father being that he was Human. He could've had siblings who spurred the Uzumaki clan and the Hyuga clan which would explain why he trusted the ninjutsu to the Uzumaki and why he possessed a doujutsu. Family traits. We already know that uzumaki's do not have full control over the rinnegan, why should we debunk the Sage's hype? So Madara has better control of the Rinnegan because he has Senju DNA and the sage doesn't? I doubt....wouldn't make sense.
Bro.... Like every yin has a yang.... every theory has another opposing it.... I read your theory and also the one saying SO6P is an Uzumaki.... I'll still choose to believe that he was an Uzumaki.... cause the facts stating he was an Uzumaki are more believeable to me.... In the end what Kishi sama says will be true.... But till then I would prefer to believe that He is an Uzumaki....
