Killer Bee vs Gaara,Konkuro,Temari

[genii96]

If there was no speed in the chop how did it break Sasuke Susano'o? The falling leg drop is no where near the power of A's arm chop. Why would I legdrop a guy with the back of my leg which wouldn't hurt him as much as a closed fist would. When Onoki lighten A it increased his speed & power. The scans show the sand grabbing Madara first, and pullin him out. Onoki isn't here to help him so why are you showin that scan. He doesn't have to escape he'll break out if any of Gaara attacks. All thats means nothin multiple Biju dama kills Gaara.

it broke susanoo because v2 increased his penetrative power to the max,how much speed cud he generate from a chop from a standing position right next t sasuke?. If a previous jutsus fails,you use a stronger one,you dont use a weaker one,especially when you are blood lusted,here

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A uses the fact that he is faling as an advantage to increase the power of the kick,so gravity was actually helping him,so it was stronger than a chop.

Gaara was able to retstrain susanoo,which i showed you,he did it with lightened sand,which made it loose it's strength.
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onoki's weighting texh reduces the force of the blow of a shinobi,which is why he stayed on A in order to make him heavy to increase the force again. Making something lighter,makes it weaker as well.

No one will let him fire it off

 

[genii96]

You are still trying to say that C3 is stronger than a TBB? What proof do you have of C3 beating suigetsu at all? C3 like you said did not even go through (normal) dessert sand, this isnt even Gaara's enhanced sand. Bijuu beam obliterated 3 solid rashenmon gates.

Here is a simple question - which defense is stronger? 3 Rasenmon or Dessert sand? I think the answer is obvious. C3 is similar to the bijuu ball, does a lot of damage in a wide area, bijuu beam on the other hand is concentrated damage in a smaller area, ideal for penetration.

Gaara isnt capturing bee with any sand, not with bee being able to go into V2 then full bijuu mode and then he has 8 tails whirwind to get rid of any sand that is trying to bind him.

My point is that Gaara cant defend bijuu beam, and he cant immobalise hachibi fast enough to stop him from using it.

lllppll............l..lll

yea,gaara's gourd sand is stronger than his normal one,however,a large amount of normal sand will make up for this. Mizukage is a perfect example,his oil was above gaara's gourd sand,however,a large amount of normal sand compressed beat his oil.

Gaara's ultimate defencive technique in part 1,stated in the databooks to have solidity unmatched,was his shield of shukaku which was made from normal sand too. His air sand protective wall which blocked c3,follows the same rule.quantity makes up for quality.
The size of that sky shield covered nearly the entire village,it is way ahead of 3 rashomon gates.

If gaara could hold susnanoo,he can hold hachibi,especially in a desert. Go check how many panels it took bee to fire that,compared to the amount of panels that gaara did this

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making a whirlwind will only helo him for a while,it's a desert,no matter how many times he spins sand is still around him,and gaara can easily enclose him in a sand prison.

Oh and you seem to forget that this is the sand siblings,not just gaara,and his sister,could level the forest when she was a genin,in the SRA arc,her C class winds cut through metal armour effprtlessly,shurikens cut hachibi,wha do you think her wnds would do to him?,oh and once she activates kiri kiri mae,bee would be cut in several places,and considering that it is even stronger than cast net which cut the raikage into pieces,well hachibi would be im serious problem,then add the poison of kankuro,with all 3 having full intel while killer b has none, and bee isnt doing anything here

 

[Nazgul]

^ You dont seem to understand how armour and armour penetration works. When it comes to defence not ony the surface area, the thickness of each segment aso counts.

For example if you fire a bulet at a block of lead then the bulet bounces off, if you fire it at some dessert sand it will go straight through.

Oro's rashenmon defence not only looks thicker than Gaara's shield but aso made of heavy metal instead of freaking sand. Gaaras shukaku sand shied blocked Kimi's bone sword, massive achievement right there. Now we can move up the power of the attack a tiny bit to a bijuu beam.

Temari and Konkuro are both fodders in this fight, and like I said before this fight comes down to weather or not Gaara can tank the bijuu beam which he cant. And really bringing up Madara trolling the kages just to show off his powers isnt proving much, Madara could have raped everyone there with 0 difficulty.

 

[Champ]

it broke susanoo because v2 increased his penetrative power to the max,how much speed cud he generate from a chop from a standing position right next t sasuke?. If a previous jutsus fails,you use a stronger one,you dont use a weaker one,especially when you are blood lusted,here

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A uses the fact that he is faling as an advantage to increase the power of the kick,so gravity was actually helping him,so it was stronger than a chop.

Gaara was able to retstrain susanoo,which i showed you,he did it with lightened sand,which made it loose it's strength.
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onoki's weighting texh reduces the force of the blow of a shinobi,which is why he stayed on A in order to make him heavy to increase the force again. Making something lighter,makes it weaker as well.

No one will let him fire it off

All of A's attacks are taijutsu base, so they would all carry the same amount of power. But when he went airborne, he lost the momentum of his speed to increase his strength and it was gravity that took over. They can't prevent a Biju dama they'll be killed.

 

[genii96]

^ You dont seem to understand how armour and armour penetration works. When it comes to defence not ony the surface area, the thickness of each segment aso counts.

For example if you fire a bulet at a block of lead then the bulet bounces off, if you fire it at some dessert sand it will go straight through.

Oro's rashenmon defence not only looks thicker than Gaara's shield but aso made of heavy metal instead of freaking sand. Gaaras shukaku sand shied blocked Kimi's bone sword, massive achievement right there. Now we can move up the power of the attack a tiny bit to a bijuu beam.

Temari and Konkuro are both fodders in this fight, and like I said before this fight comes down to weather or not Gaara can tank the bijuu beam which he cant. And really bringing up Madara trolling the kages just to show off his powers isnt proving much, Madara could have raped everyone there with 0 difficulty.

actually,i do,and i also know that gaara can compress normal sand to steel-like qualities,i also know that gaara pulls out his sand using the strongest minerals and then they are compressed with chakra,which makes them stronger than some steel,which temari,who you call fodder can cut through with c rank jutsus,and can cut the 3rd raikage to pieces using her cast net. No way in hell are those gates as dense or as thick as this

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gaara could make that in an instant.

You seem to think temari and kankuro are fodders?you cudnt be more wrong. Temari's winds will easily slice bee if he goes full bijuu,she was able to cut steel and the 3rd raikage,shurikens cut bee,a kiri kiri mae would seriusly damage killerb,she can easily manipulate the wind current made by hachibi's whirlwind to cut him,kankuro posseses sasori's body and poison,one scratch and the poison will begin to take effect. Saying temari and kankuro are fodders in this match is completely baseless.

I guess you dont see how many panels it took for that beam to be shot,compared to the one panel it tok for gaara to raise thst sand from the floor to the sky,or the speed at which temari's weasel crossed an entire forest,and can't be seen with the naked eye. That beam didnt even do that much damage anyway,a little bit og gourd sand was enough to allow gaara walk out of a meteor,a little bit of sand allowed gaara to completely pin down a susanoo,whether madara could have killed them with zero diff or not is irrelevant,that feat still holds.

All of A's attacks are taijutsu base, so they would all carry the same amount of power. But when he went airborne, he lost the momentum of his speed to increase his strength and it was gravity that took over. They can't prevent a Biju dama they'll be killed.

i already showed you that the gravity fall increased the power of the drop,and that A would not use a weaker attack against an opponent when a stronger one failed,especially being blood lusted,dont know what you are still arguing abt

 

[Champ]

i already showed you that the gravity fall increased the power of the drop,and that A would not use a weaker attack against an opponent when a stronger one failed,especially being blood lusted,dont know what you are still arguing abt

What stronger attack does A have? He doesn't have Amaterasu, or a Biju dama which is a stronger attack,. He's all taijutsu he relies on his speed and power when he went airborne he lost that. Like I said Bee kills them.

 

[genii96]

What stronger attack does A have? He doesn't have Amaterasu, or a Biju dama which is a stronger attack,. He's all taijutsu he relies on his speed and power when he went airborne he lost that. Like I said Bee kills them.

just because ine uses taijutsu dosent mean all his attacks have the same level of power. A chop from a standing position is in no way as strong as a falling drop kick,that is obvious. A chop os not as strong as a downward kick,or else,he would have used the chop last instead of first before trying the downward kick. If a big ball rasengan dosent work on a guy,you try an ultra big ball rasengan,not a normal one.

 

[shelke]

Bee can go full Biju mode, use Whirl wind to throw away the sand followed by a minimal charged Flash Dhama, which can be used before or after continuous BDs, if Gaara's sand miraculously blocks the first one. Gaara's sand hasn't shown any particular feats in this regard, hence he loses. The other two are non-entities here. I can't see them doing anything to Bee.

 

[genii96]

Bee can go full Biju mode, use Whirl wind to throw away the sand followed by a minimal charged Flash Dhama, which can be used before or after continuous BDs, if Gaara's sand miraculously blocks the first one. Gaara's sand hasn't shown any particular feats in this regard, hence he loses. The other two are non-entities here. I can't see them doing anything to Bee.

bee has no intel,why would he go bijuu mode intstantly,sand sibs arent gonna stand there andd look at him while he turns,makes a whirlwind,fires a bijuudama etc. Temari can cut through steel and the 3rd raikage,she can level a forest in an instant,kirir kiri mea would cut bee apart,especially as her weasel cant be seen by the naked eye. I hate when people remove temari and kankuro from a fight with no reason

 

[Nazgul]

actually,i do,and i also know that gaara can compress normal sand to steel-like qualities,i also know that gaara pulls out his sand using the strongest minerals and then they are compressed with chakra,which makes them stronger than some steel,which temari,who you call fodder can cut through with c rank jutsus,and can cut the 3rd raikage to pieces using her cast net. No way in hell are those gates as dense or as thick as this

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gaara could make that in an instant.

You seem to think temari and kankuro are fodders?you cudnt be more wrong. Temari's winds will easily slice bee if he goes full bijuu,she was able to cut steel and the 3rd raikage,shurikens cut bee,a kiri kiri mae would seriusly damage killerb,she can easily manipulate the wind current made by hachibi's whirlwind to cut him,kankuro posseses sasori's body and poison,one scratch and the poison will begin to take effect. Saying temari and kankuro are fodders in this match is completely baseless.

I guess you dont see how many panels it took for that beam to be shot,compared to the one panel it tok for gaara to raise thst sand from the floor to the sky,or the speed at which temari's weasel crossed an entire forest,and can't be seen with the naked eye. That beam didnt even do that much damage anyway,a little bit og gourd sand was enough to allow gaara walk out of a meteor,a little bit of sand allowed gaara to completely pin down a susanoo,whether madara could have killed them with zero diff or not is irrelevant,that feat still holds.



i already showed you that the gravity fall increased the power of the drop,and that A would not use a weaker attack against an opponent when a stronger one failed,especially being blood lusted,dont know what you are still arguing abt

So Gaara can make harder sand out of more sand? He just made a shield out of the sand he already had which stopped the weak C3 explosion. Like I said before, no ammount of sand hardened or not is going to stop a bijuu beam.

And if you want speed of bijuu dama, then look at this fight

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Even if Gaara can stop 1 (which he cant), can he stop 4 in quick sucession?

As for Temari and Konkuro as I said they are a non factor in this fight, what can either of them do vs a TBB? Nothing. And what do you think will come out on top bijuu whirlwind or Temari's puny weasel thing which will probably get thrown back to part 1 if it ever tries to go near a whirling bijuu. And even if she can slice off the tentacles, that doesnt stop bee from being able to use bijuu bomb...

And why wouldnt Bee go full bijuu considering he will be forced into v2 straight away to escape sand coffin? The ox is pretty smart, it will figure out that the only way they can get past Gaara's defence is with TBB. And if Gaara tries pyramid or burial on v2 then Bijuu form wil probably be forced out anyway.

 

[genii96]

So Gaara can make harder sand out of more sand? He just made a shield out of the sand he already had which stopped the weak C3 explosion. Like I said before, no ammount of sand hardened or not is going to stop a bijuu beam.

And if you want speed of bijuu dama, then look at this fight

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Even if Gaara can stop 1 (which he cant), can he stop 4 in quick sucession?

As for Temari and Konkuro as I said they are a non factor in this fight, what can either of them do vs a TBB? Nothing. And what do you think will come out on top bijuu whirlwind or Temari's puny weasel thing which will probably get thrown back to part 1 if it ever tries to go near a whirling bijuu. And even if she can slice off the tentacles, that doesnt stop bee from being able to use bijuu bomb...

And why wouldnt Bee go full bijuu considering he will be forced into v2 straight away to escape sand coffin? The ox is pretty smart, it will figure out that the only way they can get past Gaara's defence is with TBB. And if Gaara tries pyramid or burial on v2 then Bijuu form wil probably be forced out anyway.

gaara compresses normal sand at high pressure with his chakra to make them that strong,that is exactly how his shield of shukaku is formed

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or he can bring it out using the strongest minerals and flow chakra through it to make it stronger,

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any how,both are normal sand,
that weak c3 bomb is capable of wiping it an entire village,far more than what that beam did to suigetsu,whom it at point blank range.

The bijudama he used,was even weaker than the beam,i am guessing that bijudama wasnt a fully charged one.so far,none of hachibi's tbb has the same village busting power as c3,and his beam,which you believe would breach them,as in the taka fight,took like 4 panels to fire. Those continous tbb's are all uncompressed,one sky shield is enough.

You still think temari and kankuro are fodders?,temari's weasel,will ride the wind currents created by that whirlwind easily,and use it to slice him,kamatari,can move over several hunderd metres(this distance is only 100m) in a split second,he can not be seen by the eye,unless you have a sharingan(maybe),kiler b wont even see it coming,let alone intercept it.

Emari can cut hachibi's body,not just the tentacles,unless you think he has a stronger body that 3rd raikage,oh,and in her trump card to seal the 3rd raikage,she wanted to use a kiri kiri mai spam,meaning the weasel would hit bee agin and agin and again,each in a split second,ofcourse,the split second thing was in part 1,now,he is probably much faster. By the time hachibi woud have started to roll,kamatari would have sliced him 3-4 times,and the power of this jutsus is even above cast net,as it was her trump card. Temari's winds are fatal to bee.very fatal.so tell me,which is faster kamatari,or hachibi?,and you think hachibi would be able to aim at the sand sibs when his entire face,body and tentacles are being sliced. Oh and kiri kiri mai does one more thing,it raises any debris,bouldwrs etc from the ground,all thats here is sand,which gaara will be more than happy to use to hit bee,coupled with poison etc.

I wonder if hachibi can figure out he needs to go vT,then bijuu,then do a whirlwind in a split second?,tell me,what happens if katamari initiates her kiri kiri mai from the start?,bee dies instantly.

 

[Champ]

just because ine uses taijutsu dosent mean all his attacks have the same level of power. A chop from a standing position is in no way as strong as a falling drop kick,that is obvious. A chop os not as strong as a downward kick,or else,he would have used the chop last instead of first before trying the downward kick. If a big ball rasengan dosent work on a guy,you try an ultra big ball rasengan,not a normal one.

When it comes to A all his attacks would have the same power. Same with Gaara all his attacks are sand based. Guy also relies on taijutsu, but he has stronger attacks like morning peacock & Daytime tiger. You can't possibly think A had a plan in that fight he was craze on revenge he wanted to do anything to hurt Sasuke, for him to punch Susano'o with enton around it wasn't smart, or him to try to legdrop him wasn't smart. A hand chop was stronger than that legdrop, and Bee owns Gaara.

 

[genii96]

When it comes to A all his attacks would have the same power. Same with Gaara all his attacks are sand based. Guy also relies on taijutsu, but he has stronger attacks like morning peacock & Daytime tiger. You can't possibly think A had a plan in that fight he was craze on revenge he wanted to do anything to hurt Sasuke, for him to punch Susano'o with enton around it wasn't smart, or him to try to legdrop him wasn't smart. A hand chop was stronger than that legdrop, and Bee owns Gaara.

a vR punch wont have the ame power as a v2 chop which wont have the same power as a v2 dropkick. Gaara's sand based attacks all have the same power?,sand pyramid is stronger than sand coffin,desert funeral is stronger than sand bural,shield of shukaku is above a standard sand wall.

Yea, A was crazed to kill sasuke,hence he would keep using his stronger jutsus until he was dead. When he hit the chop,he jumped and claimed sasuke was finished before coming down,sasuke felt the need to actually use enton spikes on the down ward legdrop. No way is a legdrop weaker than a chop. Bee cant own gaara in a desert with no intel

 

[Champ]

a vR punch wont have the ame power as a v2 chop which wont have the same power as a v2 dropkick. Gaara's sand based attacks all have the same power?,sand pyramid is stronger than sand coffin,desert funeral is stronger than sand bural,shield of shukaku is above a standard sand wall.

Yea, A was crazed to kill sasuke,hence he would keep using his stronger jutsus until he was dead. When he hit the chop,he jumped and claimed sasuke was finished before coming down,sasuke felt the need to actually use enton spikes on the down ward legdrop. No way is a legdrop weaker than a chop. Bee cant own gaara in a desert with no intel

You said vr I assume you meant v1, which I know won't have the same power of v2. But all of A's v 2 attack which are taijutsu base would have to have the same power. Gaara sand main ability is to crush his opponent and none of his sand attacks could crush cm2 Kimimaro. You're right with Sasuke why didn't he use his level 2 Susano'o? Why didn't he throw his enton at A while he was in the air like he did against Gaara? Arm chop > legdrop. Multiple Biju dama's kill them.

 

[genii96]

You said vr I assume you meant v1, which I know won't have the same power of v2. But all of A's v 2 attack which are taijutsu base would have to have the same power. Gaara sand main ability is to crush his opponent and none of his sand attacks could crush cm2 Kimimaro. You're right with Sasuke why didn't he use his level 2 Susano'o? Why didn't he throw his enton at A while he was in the air like he did against Gaara? Arm chop > legdrop. Multiple Biju dama's kill them.

Gaara's sand pyramid held the mizukage whereas sand coffin could not,so no they dont all have the same power.

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you are the only one who thinks that.

Bee gets killed before he can do anything

 

[Champ]

Gaara's sand pyramid held the mizukage whereas sand coffin could not,so no they dont all have the same power.

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you are the only one who thinks that.

Bee gets killed before he can do anything

I'm not the only who knows Bee owns them read this thread and see many people say the same thing.

 

[genii96]

I'm not the only who knows Bee owns them read this thread and see many people say the same thing.

wrong,

Starting distance is 100 (!!!!) meters in a desert (!!!).
Gaara most likely solos high diff.

And this is where you fail. The starting distance is 100 m in a f*cking desert. Gaara won't let him to come close. He would continously spam sand tsunamis.

Noone can beat gaara in a desert. Exept madara, because he's madara.

iccelerate also changed his mind and said sand sibs win.

Only ones that disagree are you nazgul and shelke,nazgul punked out after i countered him a few posts back,shelke is the same.

So actually that is about 5 of us who say sand sibs win,with 3 actually saying gaara solos as you can see,compared to the 3 of you who say otherwise.more people know killer b looses here.

 

[Obito3631]

Bee owns them, deal with it.

 

[Icelerate]

Okay let me explain something to both sides.

@Genii,
Why do you think that the Whirl wind will strengthen kiri kiri mae? It won't. What it will do is redirect kamatari back at the sand siblings. However, I don't think that Killer Bee can time it correctly because kamatari is invisible to the naked eye. Also Temari isn't killing Bee in the Hachibi state, neither is Gaara since Bee tanked a bijuu dama which is far superior to anything the Sand Siblings have.

On the other hand, Kankuro is extremely vital here. No matter how much endurance you have, if poison gets inside you, you're screwed. I think Killer Bee can blow it away using whirlwind but Temari can force the poison gas through using a chakra based wind style attack which would most certainly penetrate through the whirlwind and slice through Killer Bee.

As for the bijuu dama one shot arguments... You guys do realize that Killer Bee isn't going to be the only one attacking right? He is being attacked by three different people so him getting of a TBB before the Sand Siblings can attack is highly unlikely. Not only that but in the desert, Gaara has enough sand to keep Bee busy from forming a TBB. He will be forced to use his whirlwind to prevent himself from getting overwhelmed by sand and while he is using the whirlwind, he won't be able to go on the offensive with a TBB. Gaara could probably change a TBB's trajectory by grabbing the Hachibi's horn and pulling his face somewhere else.

While Gaara is doing all of that, Temari and Kankuro are free to attack and considering Kankuro now has Sasori's puppet, Kankuro's poison one shots Killer Bee whether he is in bijuu form or not.

Sand Siblings take this mid difficulty.

 

[genii96]

Okay let me explain something to both sides.

@Genii,
Why do you think that the Whirl wind will strengthen kiri kiri mae? It won't. What it will do is redirect kamatari back at the sand siblings. However, I don't think that Killer Bee can time it correctly because kamatari is invisible to the naked eye. Also Temari isn't killing Bee in the Hachibi state, neither is Gaara since Bee tanked a bijuu dama which is far superior to anything the Sand Siblings have.

On the other hand, Kankuro is extremely vital here. No matter how much endurance you have, if poison gets inside you, you're screwed. I think Killer Bee can blow it away using whirlwind but Temari can force the poison gas through using a chakra based wind style attack which would most certainly penetrate through the whirlwind and slice through Killer Bee.

As for the bijuu dama one shot arguments... You guys do realize that Killer Bee isn't going to be the only one attacking right? He is being attacked by three different people so him getting of a TBB before the Sand Siblings can attack is highly unlikely. Not only that but in the desert, Gaara has enough sand to keep Bee busy from forming a TBB. He will be forced to use his whirlwind to prevent himself from getting overwhelmed by sand and while he is using the whirlwind, he won't be able to go on the offensive with a TBB. Gaara could probably change a TBB's trajectory by grabbing the Hachibi's horn and pulling his face somewhere else.

While Gaara is doing all of that, Temari and Kankuro are free to attack and considering Kankuro now has Sasori's puppet, Kankuro's poison one shots Killer Bee whether he is in bijuu form or not.

Sand Siblings take this mid difficulty.

well i think tha the whirl wind would strengthen it because unlike hachibi,kamatari actually rides it,if he created a wind current,it woud just create more winds to ride on,however,that dosent matter,cuz he cant see it once it starts moving.

A tbb is an explosive force,not a penetrative one,bee took it directly,and i dont thing his tentacles went off,shurikens could cut his tentacles.
Penetrative and explosive forces are different,as a bijuu,he has a naturally strong body,but a very soft one.shurikens have cut him before,chidori spear has cut him before,
Cast net ripped raikage to pieces,rasenshuriken didn hurt him,RS is more powerful than cast net.

Shukak's drilling air bullet hit bunta,but didnt kill him,what do you think would happen if bunta was sliced with her wind scythe,that cuts through metal?,he wil be cut.

Now,kiri kiri mai,crossed a forest,and stretched out hundred of metres in a split second,now,hachib+'s whirlwind,would bee.even see kamatari to know how to react?,and that kiri kiri mai apam jutsus she uses,means kamatarai goes frnt,then back and so on till she ends it,each in a split second. Also,every poart of bee would be attacked,his eyes,his horns,his tentacles,his skin,his mouth,his arms continously,each attack with more cutting power than cast net. How much cutting power do you think he can take?. Of course,assuming she dosent do it at the start of the match,where bee starts in base,then what?