Anbu Itachi vs Tsunade

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She cracked the weakest version of Susanoo, she isn't getting past a V2 Susanoo when she could only crack the weakest version. Dodge Amaterasu? Are you serious? If you can't escape Sharingan's vision then you can't dodge Amaterasu with speed. Tsunade is obviously not that fast so Amaterasu KO's her. Her summon is useless here as it can be killed with Amaterasu, or he can tank all its attacks with Susanoo. Tsunade never broke 5 Mokuton dragons...The fact that she isn't getting past Susanoo means she isn't killing him. Itachi wins mid diff at most..
V2 Susanoo might be stronger, but you cant underestimate her power. Even Madara acknowledges her. I said if she gets hit by Amaterasu she dies, but you continiously say this like I underestimate it. BTW it's true that she didn't shatter Mokuton dragons, but flame ones, apologies.. =[
 

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Itach no diff. He had MS at the time. Even 3T is enough. With 3T he can predict her movements and destroy her with kunai.
 

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Itachi doesn't even need ms to win this.

Oh please. What's 14 year old Itachi's feats?

Being ANBU boss?

Yeah duh, ANBUs are useless. They failed in literally -EVERY- assignment -EVER-.

Using genjutsu on Sasuke? My that must have been hard.

Killing his whole clan? He had Tobi's help.

As far as we know he killed his 2 parents who didn't even fight back.

Tsunade wins this for God's sake.
 

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V2 Susanoo might be stronger, but you cant underestimate her power. Even Madara acknowledges her. I said if she gets hit by Amaterasu she dies, but you continiously say this like I underestimate it. BTW it's true that she didn't shatter Mokuton dragons, but flame ones, apologies.. =[

I'm not underestimating her power, I'm judging it correctly and accurately in this situation. If she can only crack V1 she can't get past V2. And if you think that Amaterasu will kill her how would Itachi end up dying?

Oh please. What's 14 year old Itachi's feats?

Being ANBU boss?

Yeah duh, ANBUs are useless. They failed in literally -EVERY- assignment -EVER-.

Using genjutsu on Sasuke? My that must have been hard.

Killing his whole clan? He had Tobi's help.

As far as we know he killed his 2 parents who didn't even fight back.

Tsunade wins this for God's sake.

You say she wins but she can't get past Susanoo, she can't dodge Amaterasu, and she is susceptible to Tsukuyomi. Get real, Itachi wins.
 

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Not sure if all these people are serious or not. Itachi stated that he got ALL 3 MS techs when he got his Mangekyo. His eyesight is at its best during this time period.

Tsunade can't even dodge Amaterasu, break Tsukuyomi and you guys think she can win? Laughable.

@bold: I like how Tsunade kills Itachi according to you when she can't get past Susanoo. Also Amaterasu will incinerate her.

Well, if we take Sasuke's experiences into account, one doesn't simply master MS techniques when they first acquire them. Two His stamina would not have been that high using MS techniques as he would have perfected them to the point of efficiency yet.
You could argue that Tsunade can't break Tsukuyomi, but that's not a claim you can necessarily defend well. Furthermore, nothing suggests Tsunade would look in his eyes. And given how neither Tobirama or Hashirama seem to care to much about looking Sasuke in the eye, one could in fact argue that Senju may have a reason for being so unconcerned. She can't get through his Susanoo? Please tell me what level susanoo he had acquired at that time period. The only real threat possessed by Itachi at that time is Amaterasu.

I'm not underestimating her power, I'm judging it correctly and accurately in this situation. If she can only crack V1 she can't get past V2. And if you think that Amaterasu will kill her how would Itachi end up dying?

Definitely an underestimation going on. 1. Susanoo is weak to acid. 2. Katsuyu has a stronger acid than Mei. 3. Tsunade would break through a weakened V2 Susanoo. 4. If a single punch is enough to crack Madara's V1, (which by the way stood up to the 4th Raikage's horizontal chop, when Sasuke's V1 was cracked by the same chop, which therefore would mean that not all Susanoo's have the same breaking point and I doubt you would be bold enough to say that Itachi's Susanoo was of the same strength as Madara), then sure repeated punches in the same spot would do the same able to accomplish the job.
 
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You say she wins but she can't get past Susanoo, she can't dodge Amaterasu, and she is susceptible to Tsukuyomi. Get real, Itachi wins.

Mate, this is ANBU Itachi. He hasn't shown Amaterasu and Susanoo. His Tsukuyomi has the power of a 14 year old. Do you really think a 14 year old's genjutsu is going to cripple Tsunade, who is in the durability top and is the ONLY ONE that managed to heal somebody from Tsukuyomi?

Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.

Tsunade was alive after being sliced in two by Madara's Susanoo. A 14 year old's genjutsu isn't killing her.

ANBU Itachi has the hype of being #1 ANBU which doesn't mean squat since ANBUs are useless, the hype of killing his whole clan ( helped by a shinobi much superior to him, which is like saying Naruto is a beast because he and Hashirama could duo Konoha ).

You need to stop being biased here. Itachi has no feats at this age. His Tsukuyomi might as well be as weak as Sasuke's.
 

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Mate, this is ANBU Itachi. He hasn't shown Amaterasu and Susanoo. His Tsukuyomi has the power of a 14 year old. Do you really think a 14 year old's genjutsu is going to cripple Tsunade, who is in the durability top and is the ONLY ONE that managed to heal somebody from Tsukuyomi?

Itachi already stated that on the day he got Tsukuyomi, he had Amaterasu and Susanoo as well.


Thus Amaterasu KO's her. Tsunade healing someone from Tsukuyomi's effects doesn't mean that she can survive it, useless comparison and durability has NOTHING to do with mental damage.

Well, if we take Sasuke's experiences into account, one doesn't simply master MS techniques when they first acquire them. Two His stamina would not have been that high using MS techniques as he would have perfected them to the point of efficiency yet.
You could argue that Tsunade can't break Tsukuyomi, but that's not a claim you can necessarily defend well. Furthermore, nothing suggests Tsunade would look in his eyes. And given how neither Tobirama or Hashirama seem to care to much about looking Sasuke in the eye, one could in fact argue that Senju may have a reason for being so unconcerned. She can't get through his Susanoo? Please tell me what level susanoo he had acquired at that time period. The only real threat possessed by Itachi at that time is Amaterasu.

It really doesn't matter what level of Susanoo he had because she isn't getting past a V1 Susanoo before she gets killed by Amaterasu or a Susanoo hand smashing her like it did Danzo. Also I cant argue her not being able to break Tsukuyomi? Yeah right. Manga has already stated that only an Uchiha who shares the same blood as Itachi can break it. Anyone who disagrees is simply going against the manga and their claims of her being able to break it are disregarded. Why would they care about looking Sasuke in the eye? They are under Oro's Edo Tensei first of all and Hashirama wants to talk to Sasuke so Sasuke wouldn't Genjutsu them because the rest of them can be made Oro's pawns and if he Genjutsus Hashirama he can't talk so that Senju may have a reason for being unconcerned argument holds no merit. Itachi showed no strain at all after using Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, using 1 Amaterasu and a V1 Susanoo isn't going to affect bad enough for him to lose this fight. She can't break Tsukuyomi and she can't dodge or heal Amaterasu so she loses.



Definitely an underestimation going on. 1. Susanoo is weak to acid. 2. Katsuyu has a stronger acid than Mei. 3. Tsunade would break through a weakened V2 Susanoo. 4. If a single punch is enough to crack Madara's V1, (which by the way stood up to the 4th Raikage's horizontal chop, when Sasuke's V1 was cracked by the same chop, which therefore would mean that not all Susanoo's have the same breaking point and I doubt you would be bold enough to say that Itachi's Susanoo was of the same strength as Madara), then sure repeated punches in the same spot would do the same able to accomplish the job.

Tsunade would not break through a V2 Susanoo, not when she didn't even get past a V1 of Madara's. Madara's may be stronger but Itachi's V2 Susanoo is obviously stronger than Madara's V1 Susanoo but that really doesn't matter in this thread so I'll leave it be. Katsuyu can be roasted with Amaterasu so her acid isn't a problem not like I was referring to her acid when I said she can't break through V2 with her fists.
 

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Itachi already stated that on the day he got Tsukuyomi, he had Amaterasu and Susanoo as well.

Could be lying. No feat shown. You know how statements work.

Tsunade healing someone from Tsukuyomi's effects doesn't mean that she can survive it

Itachi is 14 for god's sake how strong could he be.

Sasuke lived.
 

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Could be lying. No feat shown. You know how statements work.



Itachi is 14 for god's sake how strong could he be.

Sasuke lived.

:sy: He has no reason to lie, if you are going to start ignoring manga facts that shatter your argument then leave now so I don't have to waste my time.

:sy: Really? Why would he even try and kill Sasuke? Tsunade can't even survive Tsukuyomi let alone Amaterasu.
 

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:sy: He has no reason to lie, if you are going to start ignoring manga facts that shatter your argument then leave now so I don't have to waste my time.

:sy: Really? Why would he even try and kill Sasuke? Tsunade can't even survive Tsukuyomi let alone Amaterasu.

This is just your biased opinion. You can't prove she won't survive it. Stop posting assumptions.
 

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It's the mental scarring that kills you, not the genjutsu itself.

Again, you are comparing Prime Itachi's Tsukuyomi on Kakashi to a young Itachi's Tsukuyomi on Tsunade.
 

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This is just your biased opinion. You can't prove she won't survive it. Stop posting assumptions.

Not really, if she can't break it she can't survive it since he can make it as long as he wants. Come back when you can prove she breaks it..but of course you can't prove that since ONLY SASUKE CAN BREAK IT. I don't even take you seriously since you post BS with no scans or back up at all so don't waste my time.

It's the mental scarring that kills you, not the genjutsu itself.

Kisame was surprised that Kakashi survived after the Genjutsu so no, it can kill.

Fine then, we can drop the Tsukuyomi argument, but Amaterasu still KO's her so he wins.
 

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Well, if we take Sasuke's experiences into account, one doesn't simply master MS techniques when they first acquire them. Two His stamina would not have been that high using MS techniques as he would have perfected them to the point of efficiency yet.
Why would a healthy Itachi's stamina be so low. It doesn't really matter because any form of Itachi has lower stamina than Tsunade so saying Tsunade wins because she has superior stamina is a funny claim.
You could argue that Tsunade can't break Tsukuyomi, but that's not a claim you can necessarily defend well. Furthermore, nothing suggests Tsunade would look in his eyes. And given how neither Tobirama or Hashirama seem to care to much about looking Sasuke in the eye, one could in fact argue that Senju may have a reason for being so unconcerned. She can't get through his Susanoo? Please tell me what level susanoo he had acquired at that time period. The only real threat possessed by Itachi at that time is Amaterasu.
If Tsunade doesn't look into Itachi's eyes, how does she manage to put up a fight. She won't be able to keep up with Itachi, who blitzed three Uchiha with 3 tomoe? Itachi doesn't need susanoo to win against Tsunade.

Definitely an underestimation going on. 1. Susanoo is weak to acid. 2. Katsuyu has a stronger acid than Mei. 3. Tsunade would break through a weakened V2 Susanoo. 4. If a single punch is enough to crack Madara's V1, (which by the way stood up to the 4th Raikage's horizontal chop, when Sasuke's V1 was cracked by the same chop, which therefore would mean that not all Susanoo's have the same breaking point and I doubt you would be bold enough to say that Itachi's Susanoo was of the same strength as Madara), then sure repeated punches in the same spot would do the same able to accomplish the job.
1. No it is not.
2. How is Mei's acid (a kage level shinobi with a speciall kkg) weaker than Katsuyu (some boss summon)?
3. Maybe but Itachi would have killed Tsunade by that time.
4. Too bad Itachi isn't going to stand there taking hits like a rag doll.
 
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She can't dodge Amaterasu, break through V1 Susanoo, or survive Tsukuyomi.

She loses.
Show me scan that she cant dodge it she speed blitz manda a frkein fast summon she wont look at his eyes she can read people battle patterns that means she can read where hes going she wins :)
 

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Show me scan that she cant dodge it she speed blitz manda a frkein fast summon she wont look at his eyes she can read people battle patterns that means she can read where hes going she wins :)

Actually, Tsunade hasn't shown speed feats that let her dodge it. If Sasuke couldn't even outrun for long and he is faster than Tsunade, she gets killed. The only ones who can dodge are V2 A and Naruto, others can block it or they can substitute out if they can sense it.
 
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