Kakuzu vs Tsunade

[UchihaInza]

i would say tsunade

 

[Negative Knight]

i would say tsunade

You didn't say UchihaInza xd

 

[ItachiStyle]

Since nobody has responded to my posts, I'll point out the 2 most obviously absurd arguments for Kakuzu.

1. Kakuzu will kill Katsuyu with "False Darkness". I am someone who has criticised people for overrating Katsuyu's durability, but this is just ridiculous... Kakuzu will kill a giant super durable slug with no visible organs and which can heal itself and split off, etc, by by using a small scale lightning tech which Kakashi can block with his hands quite easily. Here's the scale of False Darkness:

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Do you get how your credibility is being damaged by claiming Kakuzu will take out Katsuyu with this attack? An attack which thus far has virtually no feats for being impressive at all?

2. I want to ask Kakuzu fans a question. Do you think Kakuzu is more agile than Manda? I certainly wouldn't think so, Manda shows great speed and agility, yet Tsunade had no problems jumping hundreds of feet in the air while carrying a giant knife that weighed hundreds of tonnes, and hitting Manda precisely enough to close his mouth in mid bite. If Tsunade tried the same thing to Kakuzu, he'd be crushed under the knife for sure, yet we're supposed to believe Kakuzu will dodge the attacks from someone with this sort of strength, agility, aim and jumping speed/distance. This is odd, because Kakuzu has shown no particularly good combat skills, often being tagged by/missing fodders, or barely dodging fodders. Someone with Tsunade's level of strength and jumping distance (who can propel herself hundreds of feet into the air while carrying that amount of weight, and still be able to control it in mid air should have no trouble just bounding at Kakuzu at full speed off a rock the moment the fight starts, and before he even has a chance to react, and once Tsunade is close the fight is over. Heck, we have a scan of Tsunade throwing herself through the air and batting away Madara's Katon's before Mei or the other Kage can react. Why is Kakuzu suddenly so fast he can counter Tsunade?

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[BigBlade Master]

Kakuzu high-diff

 

[Zexion~]

Since nobody has responded to my posts, I'll point out the 2 most obviously absurd arguments for Kakuzu.

1. Kakuzu will kill Katsuyu with "False Darkness". I am someone who has criticised people for overrating Katsuyu's durability, but this is just ridiculous... Kakuzu will kill a giant super durable slug with no visible organs and which can heal itself and split off, etc, by by using a small scale lightning tech which Kakashi can block with his hands quite easily. Here's the scale of False Darkness:

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Do you get how your credibility is being damaged by claiming Kakuzu will take out Katsuyu with this attack? An attack which thus far has virtually no feats for being impressive at all?

2. I want to ask Kakuzu fans a question. Do you think Kakuzu is more agile than Manda? I certainly wouldn't think so, Manda shows great speed and agility, yet Tsunade had no problems jumping hundreds of feet in the air while carrying a giant knife that weighed hundreds of tonnes, and hitting Manda precisely enough to close his mouth in mid bite. If Tsunade tried the same thing to Kakuzu, he'd be crushed under the knife for sure, yet we're supposed to believe Kakuzu will dodge the attacks from someone with this sort of strength, agility, aim and jumping speed/distance. This is odd, because Kakuzu has shown no particularly good combat skills, often being tagged by/missing fodders, or barely dodging fodders. Someone with Tsunade's level of strength and jumping distance (who can propel herself hundreds of feet into the air while carrying that amount of weight, and still be able to control it in mid air should have no trouble just bounding at Kakuzu at full speed off a rock the moment the fight starts, and before he even has a chance to react, and once Tsunade is close the fight is over. Heck, we have a scan of Tsunade throwing herself through the air and batting away Madara's Katon's before Mei or the other Kage can react. Why is Kakuzu suddenly so fast he can counter Tsunade?

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kakashi absorbed it with lightning blade ...
and yes that dragon flame attack is weaker then kakuzus combos

 

[Zexion~]

^ and holy ****ing shit how is he not more agile then a giant snake. It is a huge target kakuzu could easily dodge that omg m

 

[ItachiStyle]

The scan of Madara's katon's had nothing to do with whether those particular katon's were the same scale as Kakuzu's. The point is that she was able to react that fast. In reality someone with the speed of Tsunade shown above will have pounced on Kakuzu before he can even react. Again, try reading.

And did you seriously just claim Kakuzu was faster than Manda? Kakuzu who is tagged by fodders, and unable to hit them all the time, is faster than frickin Manda?

 

[Zexion~]

^ manda has no speed feats js

 

[ItachiStyle]

Manda is fast enough to evade Katsuyu's acid globs, and pop out of the ground behind Bunta before he or Jiraiya can react. I'd say that's pretty fast. He sure seems very fast during the fights too. Tsunade was able to throw a giant knife hundreds of feet into the air, aim it and throw it down in the time it took her to see Manda coming out of the ground. Her aim of course was dead on. She does all this in the space of maybe a few seconds... I can't imagine how you think Kakuzu is countering that sort of speed and distance coverage.

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Do you even begin to comprehend the speed and strength involved in doing something in that timeframe? Let alone the aim required.

She'll be on him and reversing his internal organ flow 1 second into the fight with that kind of high end speed. Even if Kakuzu starts from a large distance (say a kilometer), Tsunade can apparently travel hundreds and hundreds of feet (through the air to the ground) in seconds (not unlike the Incredible Hulk). She's going to have no trouble dodging Kakuzu's attacks and blindsiding him, especially when she can wade through them with no fear of injury. Someone like Kakashi is fast enough to dodge and counter Kakuzu's attacks, and Kakashi can't jump hundreds of feet through the air to his target in a few seconds. It should be childs play for Tsunade to jump a hundred feet out of the way, bounce off a mountain and cover another hundred feet right into Kakuzu's face. It's a joke people are arguing for Kakuzu.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Kakuzu mid diff. Doton Domu negates her way of killing, he can't be harmed by physical attacks with it. His superior speed dictates that he dodges everyone of her attacks, especially since he was able to keep up with/overwhelm Kakashi.

Doton Domu doesn't particularly stop anything considering she can turn her chakra in electricity and direct it to her hand. Therefore exploiting the weakness of Doton against Raiton. However, I doubt such exploitation would be necessary. And If I remember correctly Naruto was ranked a 3.5 in speed during Pein's invasion. The same ranking shared by Tsunade in the databook, yet Kakuzu was scrambling to get away from him. But as you are well aware I am not fond of using the databooks to make claims. I don't think that Kakuzu's speed will innately protect him from being hit at all.

Whilst killing her would be a problem, aerial bombardment of Katon, Fuuton and Raiton would seemingly overwhelm her regeneration. Tsunade is not invincible, she simply accelerates the natural healing process which occurs in all of our bodies. Some things can't be regenerated from e.g. burns and etc.

The problem at least remains that Choji was able to avoid Kakuzu's ration which stands to say that his ration is not particularly fast. While his Katon is impressive it got taken out by a combination of naruto's futon rasengan (which should've strengthened the katon) and Yamato's suiton. My point being, from the woman who tanked one of Madara's Katons I don't imagine his katon would stop her in her tracks and given how long long she was in battle with Madara it would seem she has more than enough of a chakra supply to keep healing herself, the same of which cannot be necessarily said of Kakuzu.

A wide scale Katon, coupled with Kakuzu's immense Fuuton whilst paralyzing her body with Raiton is a viable tactic to shutdown her body and seemingly negate her regeneration as a factor in this fight.

Eventually, she would reach her limit, granting Kakuzu the win.

I think you over simplify this by a lot and fail to take many things into account such as Kakuzu's reliance on his threads, Katsuyu, and her willingness to skew his nerves.

I suppose we were bound to do this eventually but perhaps a bit later I'll give you a proper debate.

Tsunade's feat of tanking Madara's Katon was impressive, i'll give you that. But this isn't a fight of one-shotting one another, simply wearing your opponent down. Link me to the scan immediately after Tsunade tanked his Katon jutsu, there were obvious repercussions when she did so. These consequences were so severe she relied on being saved by Dan, and not her own regeneration.

Tanking Katon, Fuuton and Raiton one after the other in quick succession will surely end Tsunade

False. Those were not the repercussions of tanking the katon( despite the same katon when used by Sasuke, a lesser katon user broke through a stone ceiling without stopping, and she tanked 5 of those kinds of katons which would arguable be stronger than Sasuke's.) Those were the repercussions of tanking the katon, healing mei and replenishing her vitals and probably chakra, healing gaara and replenishing his vitals and chakra, healing Oonoki and replenishing his vitals and his chakra, and donating more chakra to him for his biggest jinton seen to date, a consequence of tanking yasaka magatamas when those same yasaka magatamas nearly broke through Gaara and Oonoki's two layer defense, a consequence of tanking at the very least 3 susanoo swords, the consequence of using creation rebirth, and using her chakra to attack, and that is only the portion of battle we managed to see as we are very well aware a lot of fighting occurred off screen.

 

[Zexion~]

Manda is fast enough to evade Katsuyu's acid globs, and pop out of the ground behind Bunta before he or Jiraiya can react. I'd say that's pretty fast. He sure seems very fast during the fights too. Tsunade was able to throw a giant knife hundreds of feet into the air, aim it and throw it down in the time it took her to see Manda coming out of the ground. Her aim of course was dead on. She does all this in the space of maybe a few seconds... I can't imagine how you think Kakuzu is countering that sort of speed and distance coverage.

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Do you even begin to comprehend the speed and strength involved in doing something in that timeframe? Let alone the aim required.

She'll be on him and reversing his internal organ flow 1 second into the fight with that kind of high end speed. Even if Kakuzu starts from a large distance (say a kilometer), Tsunade can apparently travel hundreds and hundreds of feet (through the air to the ground) in seconds (not unlike the Incredible Hulk). She's going to have no trouble dodging Kakuzu's attacks and blindsiding him, especially when she can wade through them with no fear of injury. Someone like Kakashi is fast enough to dodge and counter Kakuzu's attacks, and Kakashi can't jump hundreds of feet through the air to his target in a few seconds. It should be childs play for Tsunade to jump a hundred feet out of the way, bounce off a mountain and cover another hundred feet right into Kakuzu's face. It's a joke people are arguing for Kakuzu.

i looked at the manga and knowing you you would just deny it because it looks a litle different but [video]http://www.narutospot.net/shippuden-dubbed/naruto-shippuden-episode-79-english-dubbed/[/video] skip to 4:19 and tell me mandas faster then kakuzu

 

[ItachiStyle]

I didn't click that link, because I'm assuming it's the anime... are you seriously trying to invoke the anime to support your argument? Seriously? The anime is non-cannon, and it should be obvious why the anime (with it's mountains of filler and exposition) present fights in a slower, longer light, which often contradicts the manga.

 

[Zexion~]

^sigh i knew you wanted to accept reality which is of course YOU ARE WRONG

 

[Micho22]

Tsunade take this match

 

[ItachiStyle]

You can present arguments and I'll respond to them... from the manga... nobody seriously cites the anime as an argument, and if they do, they shouldn't. Please tell me how many seconds you think it took Manda to shut his jaw.

 

[TheEvilOne]

^sigh i knew you wanted to accept reality which is of course YOU ARE WRONG

The anime is not a canon. I can easily give you a video where Tsunade moves as fast as Kakashi or Sasuke.

 

[Zexion~]

^ eh i just thought it would be easier but it really wasnt so fine i guess ill do manga except it is more obvious in the anime because you can actually SEE THE MOVEMENT ....

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he moved a good 20 yards in the blink of an eye

 

[Zexion~]

The anime is not a canon. I can easily give you a video where Tsunade moves as fast as Kakashi or Sasuke.

normal running maybe

 

[TheEvilOne]

^ eh i just thought it would be easier but it really wasnt so fine i guess ill do manga except it is more obvious in the anime because you can actually SEE THE MOVEMENT ....

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he moved a good 20 yards in the blink of an eye

And Tsunade, without chakra, blitzed the anbus and reached the battlefield before them. ( pain's attack)
Or in the war she was faster then 4 Kage, including the Raiakge himself.
Or in the part1 she blitzed Manda, Shizune, Orochiamru, Kabuto and Jman too.

 

[Zexion~]

Blitzing and madara said she wasnt as fast as the 4th raikage .. and sorry but i dont know what an anbus is but if your refering to the crater left by pains attack it actually took her a good time to get there and she jumped if im not mistaken and most of those people you named in part one she caught off guard but whatever i dont want to argue anymore tsunade loses due to the fact that she cant repeatedly tank powerful elemental jutsu and kakuzu dominates the long range fight seeing how tsunade doesnt have anything long range besides katsuyu one of the worst offensive summons thats it you made this way to complicated itachistyle tsunade loses THAT SIMPLY