Did Kakashi just screw up?

[Animaeon]

Still, if he found himself in that situation, having to choose between Rin and Konoha somehow he must have screwed up.

The bold part is exactly what I am afraid Kishimoto will use to pull an excuse out of his ass.

When Obito was in Kirigakure (I don't think it's a coincidence he was there, since they sent the mist shinobi after his friends), he met Kisame for the first time. And he said something like "I can trust you, because you carried out nasty missions for the sake of your village, even missions of betrayal. You know this world is nothing but lies". And continued to speak quite lowly of "disposing your comrades".

It could be that Kakashi had to go through something similar and was following orders that day, even though he tried to avoid it as long as he could.

 

[garas56]

Still, if he found himself in that situation, having to choose between Rin and Konoha somehow he must have screwed up.

The bold part is exactly what I am afraid Kishimoto will use to pull an excuse out of his ass.




That is just ridiculous. It's like "no it wasn't my fault but I won't tell you just to add more suspense...some more people will die in the process?...who cares?"
This would be bad writing. The author shouldn't do whatever he wants just to build up the tension.

I told Obito Dont care anymore.......

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Kishi is thinking about that and he will reaveal It in an Action....Plz show More respect for Kishi and Kakashi......

 

[Frankenstein]

When Obito was in Kirigakure (I don't think it's a coincidence he was there, since they sent the mist shinobi after his friends), he met Kisame for the first time. And he said something like "I can trust you, because you carried out nasty missions for the sake of your village, even missions of betrayal. You know this world is nothing but lies". And continued to speak quite lowly of "disposing your comrades".

It could be that Kakashi had to go through something similar and was following orders that day, even though he tried to avoid it as long as he could.

Whatever the reason, he still screwed up. Unless Rin was some kind of spy, which would be ridiculous (at least for me).

I told Obito Dont care anymore.......

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Kishi is thinking about that and he will reaveal It in an Action....Plz show More respect for Kishi and Kakashi......

Respect for Kishimoto? Well I didn't say anything disrespectful, I just comment on his his work.

(respect for Kakashi? come on be serious he is a fictional character xd (one of my favorite though))

 

[garas56]

Whatever the reason, he still screwed up. Unless Rin was some kind of spy, which would be ridiculous (at least for me).



Respect for Kishimoto? Well I didn't say anything disrespectful, I just comment on his his work.

(respect for Kakashi? come on be serious he is a fictional character xd (one of my favorite though))

statement screwed up is Disrespectful........
Kakashi Is fictional character alright but you dont need to blame him for doing what Kishi Writed .
If you do not like what you read why you read?.....

 

[Frankenstein]

statement screwed up is Disrespectful........
Kakashi Is fictional character alright but you dont net to blame him for doing what Kishi Writed .
If you do not like what you read why you read?.....

Again, I am not blaming Kakashi....(why do I have to explain the obvious?)

Okay my language is disrespectful then xd

I am commenting, this is what a forum is for.

 

[Animaeon]

Whatever the reason, he still screwed up. Unless Rin was some kind of spy, which would be ridiculous (at least for me).

Of course he screwed up. That's why I think he hasn't said anything, it would only make things worse for both sides (Naruto finds out someone he looked up to actually killed his own teammate and Obito's current views are backed up even more). But Kishi probably won't leave Kakashi off as the bad guy, and will give him some tragic justification for his decision. Like he killed Rin to save hundreds, or Madara set the whole thing up.

 

[garas56]

Again, I am not blaming Kakashi....(why do I have to explain the obvious?)

Okay my language is disrespectful then xd

I am commenting, this is what a forum is for.

Thank you Now everything is clear....

 

[Frankenstein]

Of course he screwed up. That's why I think he hasn't said anything, it would only make things worse for both sides (Naruto finds out someone he looked up to actually killed his own teammate and Obito's current views are backed up even more). But Kishi probably won't leave Kakashi off as the bad guy, and will give him some tragic justification for his decision. Like he killed Rin to save hundreds, or Madara set the whole thing up.

Agreed then xd

 

[Aertes]

1)Kakashi doesn't want to talk and Obito doesn't want to hear.Kakashi is not the type who will apologize or try to lift the blame from him and put it on someone else.I don't think he really wants to explain anything to Obito.
2)I don't think anything will change his mind.Obito wants to go ahead with his plan cause he can't stand living in a world that people suffer or in a world without Rin (pick and choose some people say he does it for greater reasons some think it's all about Rin).I don't think he can find solace in any kind of explanation.He can't deal with reality.More reality won't do any good for him.
3)He did have a good reason to kill her but he does think he screw up.He admitted many times he made mistakes in the past and failed to keep his promises.On his last chat with Naruto he said that he failed to protect the ones he loved and that's a burden he had to live with.
But I think the fact that he accepts his mistake and carries that burden is the reason he doesn't talk to Obito.He doesn't want to lift his burden,he believes that this is a load he should carry forever.And I think that he doesn't want to soil Obito's memory of Rin.

 

[Frankenstein]

1)Kakashi doesn't want to talk and Obito doesn't want to hear.Kakashi is not the type who will apologize or try to lift the blame from him and put it on someone else.I don't think he really wants to explain anything to Obito.
2)I don't think anything will change his mind.Obito wants to go ahead with his plan cause he can't stand living in a world that people suffer or in a world without Rin (pick and choose some people say he does it for greater reasons some think it's all about Rin).I don't think he can find solace in any kind of explanation.He can't deal with reality.More reality won't do any good for him.
3)He did have a good reason to kill her but he does think he screw up.He admitted many times he made mistakes in the past and failed to keep his promises.On his last chat with Naruto he said that he failed to protect the ones he loved and that's a burden he had to live with.
But I think the fact that he accepts his mistake and carries that burden is the reason he doesn't talk to Obito.He doesn't want to lift his burden,he believes that this is a load he should carry forever.And I think that he doesn't want to soil Obito's memory of Rin.

So he did screw up (having a good excuse for screwing up doesn't mean that you didn't screw up), but because he is the guy that he is he doesn't want to either apologize or explain.
I agree on that, that's Kakashi's character after all.

Well, Rin being a spy would be just a made up excuse from Kishimoto (although I can't say that I dislike the idea of her being a spy all the way from the start, people like Minato and Kakashi should have been able to figure her out).
If Madara or Zetsu had some influence on the matter then, why not tell him? It wouldn't soil Obito's memory of Rin.

Off topic : I find replying to you in english it a little strange xd

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

why are people saying kakashi was protecting konoha? was rin a bomb? nothign suggests this yet. we dont know why but at the end of the day al we know is what we were shown. anmd obito wont care even if he had a good reason

 

[Solo]

Kakashi's been screwing up since he entered the story.

This was funny.

 

[Kikki]

But if he isn't the one to blame then he should say so.
So why doesn't he explain himself?

I think he himself broke over her death. First everyone thought it was a fake or a setup but he awakened MS the same moment Obito did. He is fully aware of being the person who killed Rin and he feels deeply ashamed. His own respondibility keeps him from excusing. If it was a setup or if he had a suitable excuse, he would have given it by now. Again, Obito put his friends above the mission and Kaka didn't learn anything from it. Again, he put the mission over his friends. And because he feels ashamed, he won't say anything about it yet.

 

[Frankenstein]

I think he himself broke over her death. First everyone thought it was a fake or a setup but he awakened MS the same moment Obito did. He is fully aware of being the person who killed Rin and he feels deeply ashamed. His own respondibility keeps him from excusing. If it was a setup or if he had a suitable excuse, he would have given it by now. Again, Obito put his friends above the mission and Kaka didn't learn anything from it. Again, he put the mission over his friends. And because he feels ashamed, he won't say anything about it yet.

Nice point there. He put his mission over his friends yet again.
Despite what Obito said to him , which apparently became his motto afterwards, he still did it again. So for Obito he is still trash no matter what he did afterwards.
That's why he screwed up even more.

 

[Aertes]

So he did screw up (having a good excuse for screwing up doesn't mean that you didn't screw up), but because he is the guy that he is he doesn't want to either apologize or explain.
I agree on that, that's Kakashi's character after all.

Well, Rin being a spy would be just a made up excuse from Kishimoto (although I can't say that I dislike the idea of her being a spy all the way from the start, people like Minato and Kakashi should have been able to figure her out).
If Madara or Zetsu had some influence on the matter then, why not tell him? It wouldn't soil Obito's memory of Rin.

Off topic : I find replying to you in english it a little strange xd

Yes he did screw up and he knows it.It was the only time we saw Kakashi crying and he was deeply hurt and suffered by that.
I don't think it was a set up or he wasn't aware what he was doing.Otherwise he wouldn't react like that afterwards.
I think Kishi will give us the no way around it situation.
I believe it was decided for Rin to die (for spy/medical experiments/threat to Konoha reasons) and Kakashi wanted to do it himself rather than letting anybody else do it.
Or maybe Rin asked him to do it to protect something she knew,an ability etc,etc.
Kakashi didn't know about zetsu or Madara.He could have guessed after Obito told him his story with Madara but in that case too I don't think Kakashi will try to ever explain his reasons or excuse himself to Obito.He know it's his mistake he doesn't want to lighten his position.
I believe if Kakashi is going to reveal what happened will be to avert Obito from resurrecting/further helping Madara with his plans.

OT:Yeah I agree,it's a bit strange xd

 

[Frankenstein]

Yes he did screw up and he knows it.It was the only time we saw Kakashi crying and he was deeply hurt and suffered by that.
I don't think it was a set up or he wasn't aware what he was doing.Otherwise he wouldn't react like that afterwards.
I think Kishi will give us the no way around it situation.
I believe it was decided for Rin to die (for spy/medical experiments/threat to Konoha reasons) and Kakashi wanted to do it himself rather than letting anybody else do it.
Or maybe Rin asked him to do it to protect something she knew,an ability etc,etc.
Kakashi didn't know about zetsu or Madara.He could have guessed after Obito told him his story with Madara but in that case too I don't think Kakashi will try to ever explain his reasons or excuse himself to Obito.He know it's his mistake he doesn't want to lighten his position.
I believe if Kakashi is going to reveal what happened will be to avert Obito from resurrecting/further helping Madara with his plans.

OT:Yeah I agree,it's a bit strange xd

Yup, I expect something like that (Rin telling him to kill her) from Kishimoto too.
Although I would still like Kakashi even if he did just screw up big time. Like he put his mission above Rin. Again. Because that was his assessment, right or wrong. And he regrets it. No excuses no nothing.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

He knows everything obito is saying is true. He made a mistake and he's too ashamed to try and explain himself. I believe Madara genjutsued kakashi into accidentally killing her and that the mist Anbu were zetsu clones( like the kisame clone that got beheaded).

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kakashi having to choose between Rin or the village is a likely explanation. He saw what happened to his father when his father went with teammates over village. Which is still a bunch of bullshit anyway, considering Hiruzen, the hokage at the time, preaches loving and protecting your comrades, so him being bashed for what he did makes no sense, but whatever. Kishi has a terrible memory, I guess.

 

[BladerItachi]

Maybe Kakashi just forgot how to trash-talk back LOL

 

[Melanee]

I'll be honest, even though he's a fav of mine, he's made a lot of mistakes imo.

Kakashi even admitted as much to Sakura when he saved her from Sasuke's attack (which interestingly enough is the same attack that killed Rin). He said he gave her false hope, neglected her and Naruto and focused too much on the student who is now their enemy and causing them pain.

When Obito was trying to tear Naruto's mind apart for letting Neji die, Kakashi only said his name. I really thought right there and then he would talk to Obito, instead he turned and told Naruto the true meaning behind his words about not letting friends die, and how once again it was just words that held no truth unlike what Naruto was led to believe.

Kakashi's made a lot of mistakes and it might cost him his life, be he will most likely end up doing the right thing and finally redeem himself of all his sins.