(Fair Warning) Chakra Limits

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In that gif, A continues to use Lightning Release Armor. He uses it for the duration of the fight. He can mostly keep it activated for long amounts of time.

But how? How is chakra dispersed? Is there a limit? Is it being refueled every so often?

If we imagine it like a fire
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Eventually the fire runs out and the flame goes away. Only after resupplying firewood does the fire restart.

Therefore, how can A keep up Lighning Armor for so long? How can Naruto keep up constantly fueling a high powered cloak made of chakra?

Bigger Stars Die Before Smaller Stars, Because They Burn Their Fuel Quicker.

Even if you have high chakra levels, the fire burns FASTER and chakra would go down.


Therefore Chakra logic is flawed, maybe if you only used the chakra once, like doing a pushup, would it work. But allowing a constant use of large chakra(fuel) you would only burn out faster.
 
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Nope nothing like that. Its more about the persons endurance. Compare naruto and shikamaru: naruto is always training while shika aint doing s h i t. Which one have you seen more frequently at a loss for chakra?
 

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How can he keep up so long? He's an effing powerhouse, that's why. His body is built for it basically.
How is chakra dispersed? Through the chakra points?
Is there a limit? Why yes of course.
Is it being refueled? I would believe not if it's a continue use. But short rests in between can prevent it.

The fire thing has no connection to this, as it is not the same thing because you can walk on water in Naruto.

Off topic: Don't start putting your name in the title too now...

Off topic again: Those are my opinions, and are probably wrong.
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They have a lot of chakra.
I learned to read in kindergarten, when did you? just now?

The more the chakra, the more fuel you have to use to sustain the chakra. Thats why bigger stars die faster than smaller ones, because they use more fuel to sustain themselves.

How can he keep up so long? He's an effing powerhouse, that's why. His body is built for it basically.
How is chakra dispersed? Through the chakra points?
Is there a limit? Why yes of course.
Is it being refueled? I would believe not if it's a continue use. But short rests in between can prevent it.

The fire thing has no connection to this, as it is not the same thing because you can walk on water in Naruto.

Off topic: Don't start putting your name in the title too now...

Off topic again: Those are my opinions, and are definitely wrong.
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They call it chakra controll, The more they use it over their life time, The better they become at it, So the Raikage can most likely keep his lightning armor up while using a minimal ammount of chakra while still getting 100% of the benefits.

Obviously if someone with Raikages chakra levels recklessly wastes chakra then he would run out of chakra befor someone with much less chakra, Thats the point of chakra controll.
This was naruto's problem back in part one.
 

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A good thread, though i remember Bogard making a similar thread debunking his "Bijuu levels of chakra". Please don't start with the name thing, it looks tacky and egotistical, I'm annoyed I once did the same >_>
 

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Except for the fact that stars don't burn; there's no oxygen in space for them to burn. Now, I don't exactly know what goes on up there, probably some nuclear fusion/fission things, but it's not burning.
And I think your general "fire" analogy is flawed; if the firewood is the Chakra Reserves, then the more firewood you have, the more potential for bigger/long fire there is, correct? So, by using large-scale chakra-consuming techniques, a bigger fire is created, and will "burn" for as long as the technique lasts, leaving so much undamaged wood to be burned in other fires. If the same scale technique is used by someone with a smaller chakra reserve, you'd be setting a fire on a pile of wood which isn't big enough to support the flames; the fire would burn up all the wood before reaching it's full potential. In the same way, if a large pile of wood is being used to burn a small fire, why would it burn up faster? The small fire, assuming it cannot grow from a pre-determined size (which only works in this analogy), will burn through the wood bit by bit, staying lit longer than if it were on a smaller pile of fuel.

I don't see where you're coming from with this logic; maybe you could explain it some more?
 

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I learned to read in kindergarten, when did you? just now?

The more the chakra, the more fuel you have to use to sustain the chakra. Thats why bigger stars die faster than smaller ones, because they use more fuel to sustain themselves.
Calm down, no reason to be rude.

It is never stated it takes more chakra for these types of techniques, the nine tails chackra is used to cloak naruto but it obviously is only a small fraction of the total chakra he has. You dont have focus large amounts of chakra to create a cloak as we see for naruto and the riakage. Its simple chakra control. Of course we also know that the 4th raikage was noted to have "high chakra levels" when he is in his most powerful form of lightning armor. This is also chakra control, it is never stated that he is simply burning chakra away, his chakra clings to his body, its more likely that his chakra is used when he does lighting body flicker, or does a strength attack. I simply stated they have high chakra reserves because obviously ninja without high chakra reserves wouldnt be able to perform jutsus like this. Its simply not logical to think that the amount of chakra or the strength of chakra correlates with how much chakra is used for a cloak of these sorts. It would mean that jinchurki's in tailed beast chakra would literally run out in a matter of seconds.

In conclusion higher amounts of chakra dont cause more powerful/more chakra expensive jutsu's. The more chakra you can focus creates more powerful jutsu's, meaning that the users of such jutsu's control and sustain proper amounts of chakra so that when using the jutsu they have a good perception of how much longer they can hold up the jutsu, the higher the chakra reserves the longer they can use it. Notice how in a fire the more wood increases the fire size, high chakra reserves dont simply increase a jutsu's size/strength and in turn cause more chakra to be used, they just provide a well that the user slowly drains as they use jutsus that require sustained chakra.
 
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Except for the fact that stars don't burn; there's no oxygen in space for them to burn. Now, I don't exactly know what goes on up there, probably some nuclear fusion/fission things, but it's not burning.
And I think your general "fire" analogy is flawed; if the firewood is the Chakra Reserves, then the more firewood you have, the more potential for bigger/long fire there is, correct? So, by using large-scale chakra-consuming techniques, a bigger fire is created, and will "burn" for as long as the technique lasts, leaving so much undamaged wood to be burned in other fires. If the same scale technique is used by someone with a smaller chakra reserve, you'd be setting a fire on a pile of wood which isn't big enough to support the flames; the fire would burn up all the wood before reaching it's full potential. In the same way, if a large pile of wood is being used to burn a small fire, why would it burn up faster? The small fire, assuming it cannot grow from a pre-determined size (which only works in this analogy), will burn through the wood bit by bit, staying lit longer than if it were on a smaller pile of fuel.

I don't see where you're coming from with this logic; maybe you could explain it some more?
Delete your other post.

To go into more detail. The more chakra you have, the more you have to use to keep it up. Naruto is fueling a high powered Bijuu cloak, so he has to constantly fuel that along with the techniques he uses. Therefore, he should run out fairly soon.

Oh and stars create energy through fusion of hydrogen into helium. But I dumbed it down to burning for the dumb people on this site
 

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I learned to read in high school, when did you? just now?
Fixed. :)

Just trying to help you out but I guess you act negative towards others that have anything to say that you don't agree with. >.>
Oh and by your logic, I have more posts and rep than you so...
 

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Fixed. :)

Just trying to help you out but I guess you act negative towards others that have anything to say that you don't agree with. >.>
Oh and by your logic, I have more posts and rep than you so...
you came off pretty butthurt, shooting down all my facts and opinions. Nothing you even said had anything to do with the topic anyways.
 

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Delete your other post.

To go into more detail. The more chakra you have, the more you have to use to keep it up. Naruto is fueling a high powered Bijuu cloak, so he has to constantly fuel that along with the techniques he uses. Therefore, he should run out fairly soon.

Oh and stars create energy through fusion of hydrogen into helium. But I dumbed it down to burning for the dumb people on this site
Makes no sense. By that logic, if someone with large chakra reserves uses a sustained technique (such as a mode, the Lightning armor, etc.) began his technique at the same time as someone with lower chakra reserves, both of their techniques would end at the same time. Which makes absolutely no sense, as then what's the point of having high chakra reserves in the first place?

Now, what you're forgetting is a concept known as chakra control; someone is able to control their chakra output into a technique, rather than throwing a large amount into it. I believe this concept was explained by Kakashi when talking to Naruto about Shadow Clones; that someone with poor chakra control (like Part I Naruto) can only create so many clones because of his levels of chakra control, but someone with higher chakra control (like Part I Sakura) can create more clones using the same amount of chakra. It has nothing to do with their chakra reserves, but their control of how chakra is used. If we both have containers of oil, and a flame in front of us, and are told to keep the flame going with only the oil, who's fire will last longer? The one who throws all his oil on at once, or the one who releases a small, steady stream onto the flame.

Now, I may be getting off tangent here, and I'd like to point that out myself before you do it (as I've been reading through your posts and have come to the conclusion that you enjoy being right, and think highly of yourself and your opinions). You're looking at this whole Chakra System by taking out Chakra Control and looking solely at Chakra Reserves. If you remove something from an equation without compensating for it later (for example, in algebra, if you take out "X" randomly instead of solving for it), your answer will be off. Without chakra control, yes, someone with a large chakra reserve would use it up just as quickly as someone with a small chakra reserve. However, people with the amount of chakra to perform such powerful techniques, 99 times out of 100 have chakra control to allow them to perform these technique for sustained periods of time.

Your fire analogy is a little too far off the mark; instead of chakra being like fire, chakra is like your bodies physical energy. Instead of burning, jutsu is like a push-up. Now, I tell you and a professional body builder to do push-ups for as long as you can with no break. He's a professional, probably with large arms, has done push-ups for a long time; if you last longer than him, something's terribly wrong. Because he naturally has more physical energy than you to do push-ups, he'll be able to do them longer. This is normal chakra usage. But say that same body-builder, with natural physical energy, never works out, never tries to work his muscles and make himself strong. You two may very well finish at the same time. This is Chakra Reserves; larger ones wearing themselves out quicker. But because the body-builder has been training himself, has taught his body the proper way to position his hands in relation to his body for a push-up, and has toned his muscles for years, he can do push-ups far longer than you can. This is Chakra Control; the proper use of one's chakra to its optimal point.
 

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It's similar to the concept of a battery-the better the battery's capacity to store electrical power the more power it can store and it turn supply
 
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