Stop Overpowering Minato and Tobimara!

[Di44eRent]

Ur forgetting the amount of time Minato had to deal with when going against Obito. Plus it's not like Obito fought Minato str8 up he used many tactics along with the 9tails to fight against Minato. That tells you how strong of a shinobi a person must be if you need to do all those things just to slow him down.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Lighting vs Water can be a double edged sword. Lightning dosent weaken water, water just makes the lethallity of the lightning rise. So they would both need to be careful. This isnt pokemon where Tobirama is especially weak to it, Sasuke however can use his own lightning chakra to protect himself.

But the water would be pointless that's what i'm mainly saying here. We saw that water was inefficient against lightning through Suigetsu!

 

[jiraiya lives]

sasuke could can beat tsunade mid diff and maybe hiruzen high diff...but the other hokages would be sasuke

 

[Di44eRent]

Put it like this if you think Orochimaru or Kabuto is stronger than Sasuke due to knowing edo tensei then that would automatically make Tobirama stronger than Sasuke.

 

[Serotonin]

Minato has unimpressive to me ever since Obito was revealed.
According to the timeline Obito was only 14 when he fought Minato.
Meaning the only fight Minato actually won was against an inexperienced kid in his first actual battle.

To think that some people think he can stand a chance against Itachi the solo king.

 

[Solaris Vexius]

If the elemental weaknesses are so big then why couldn't sasuke overpower 4th Raikage with fire?

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

minato is unimpressive to me

I don't favor Minato's characters because of his fanboys. They say Itachi fanboys are bad that's far from the truth!

 

[jiraiya lives]

Put it like this if you think Orochimaru or Kabuto is stronger than Sasuke due to knowing edo tensei then that would automatically make Tobirama stronger than Sasuke.

I have to agree with thisU_U

and since tobirama fought against uchiha all the time, it would make sense that he has lots of edo uchiha with MS and possibly EMS under his control

 

[Blaze Release]

OP and sasuke fans just need to stay calm and lol hard at these damn trolls who still cannot get it through their heads that sasuke is one of the strongest and currently the only ninja stronger than him in that room is Hashirama.

These damn fans will eventually come to admit that sasuke looks down at their character because sasuke and naruto at the end of the show will be the strongest and will surpass their respective benchmark in hashirama/Madara

 

[Solaris Vexius]

Also

To end this water v lightning debate.


Didn't tobi wield the sword of the thunder god

/discussion

OP and sasuke fans just need to stay calm and lol hard at these damn trolls who still cannot get it through their heads that sasuke is one of the strongest and currently the only ninja stronger than him in that room is Hashirama.

These damn fans will eventually come to admit that sasuke looks down at their character because sasuke and naruto at the end of the show will be the strongest and will surpass their respective benchmark in hashirama/Madara

Yeah ur retarded^

 

[SharinganUser1]

tobirama and minato would solo everyone.... esspecially sasuke

I don't think they could solo everyone.

 

[Blaze Release]

Also

To end this water v lightning debate.


Didn't tobi wield the sword of the thunder god

/discussion


Yeah ur retarded^

From your response you have no weight in calling somebody retarded.
Also you surely cannot slap the retarded tag on somebody yet lack the grammar.

Believe it is, you are rather than ur. Try again

 

[BladerItachi]

That's a pathetic assumption! Everyone in the room had a reaction to Tobimara, not only Sasuke! Second, Tobimara shit his pants when Hashirama was glaring at him. I don't see your point until we see him in action i don't see him above Sasuke.

Better than your stupidness for assuming Sasuke can beat Minato or Hiruzen... From your point we can't compare any characters until they actually fight

Way to support Sasugay

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Better than your stupidness for assuming Sasuke can beat Minato or Hiruzen... From your point we can't compare any characters until they actually fight

Way to support Sasugay

Not really you're stating ludicrous ideas about Tobimara being superior to Sasuke because of a finger movement? That's real insightful! We have seen Sasuke in the manga since the start don't start being bias putting Tobimara above Sasuke just beause he got a reaction from him. That proves nothing! You also state how can Sasuke beat Hiruzen and Minato! I bet you won't be afraid to state that Naruto cleans house, while Sasuke doesn't beat none of them. Your completely foolish just like the rest that keep overpowering Naruto being the best, but meanwhile his rival takes the backseat by being mocked all the time! Sasuke can definitely solo almost all of them in a 1-on-1. I was fair by stating that Tobimara can give Sasuke trouble, but that doesn't mean he loses. He already knows about Tobimara's Edo Tensei Hand Seal, plus he can beat water with lightning. Minato is a taijutsu mogul; but Sasuke has fought speedsters like Itachi, A, and B. I don't see Sasuke having that many complications with Minato aside from the fact that he might get an overwhelming blitz out of no where. How can Minato hit something that is untouchable? He can protect himself with Enton all around him! I bet your next excuse is that Minato can go through non-extinguishing flames! Hiruzen lost to Orochimaru, so how will Hiruzen beat Sasuke? You fail in making sense my friend!

 

[SilverSlick]

I'm not really someone who bases a character's strength on hype, but you're acting like Tobirama hasn't fought an Uchiha before. I believe he'd win, but of course there is little room to make an argument in favor of Tobirama so lets both not jump to conclusions because neither of us knows who'd win.

 

[piercethejen]

Not really you're stating ludicrous ideas about Tobimara being superior to Sasuke because of a finger movement? That's real insightful! We have seen Sasuke in the manga since the start don't start being bias putting Tobimara above Sasuke just beause he got a reaction from him. That proves nothing! You also state how can Sasuke beat Hiruzen and Minato! I bet you won't be afraid to state that Naruto cleans house, while Sasuke doesn't beat none of them. Your completely foolish just like the rest that keep overpowering Naruto being the best, but meanwhile his rival takes the backseat by being mocked all the time! Sasuke can definitely solo almost all of them in a 1-on-1. I was fair by stating that Tobimara can give Sasuke trouble, but that doesn't mean he loses. He already knows about Tobimara's Edo Tensei Hand Seal, plus he can beat water with lightning. Minato is a taijutsu mogul; but Sasuke has fought speedsters like Itachi, A, and B. I don't see Sasuke having that many complications with Minato aside from the fact that he might get an overwhelming blitz out of no where. How can Minato hit something that is untouchable? He can protect himself with Enton all around him! I bet your next excuse is that Minato can go through non-extinguishing flames! Hiruzen lost to Orochimaru, so how will Hiruzen beat Sasuke? You fail in making sense my friend!

Why are you always comparing Naruto to Sasuke?

 

[LolaxXx]

Not really you're stating ludicrous ideas about Tobimara being superior to Sasuke because of a finger movement? That's real insightful! We have seen Sasuke in the manga since the start don't start being bias putting Tobimara above Sasuke just beause he got a reaction from him. That proves nothing! You also state how can Sasuke beat Hiruzen and Minato! I bet you won't be afraid to state that Naruto cleans house, while Sasuke doesn't beat none of them. Your completely foolish just like the rest that keep overpowering Naruto being the best, but meanwhile his rival takes the backseat by being mocked all the time! Sasuke can definitely solo almost all of them in a 1-on-1. I was fair by stating that Tobimara can give Sasuke trouble, but that doesn't mean he loses. He already knows about Tobimara's Edo Tensei Hand Seal, plus he can beat water with lightning. Minato is a taijutsu mogul; but Sasuke has fought speedsters like Itachi, A, and B. I don't see Sasuke having that many complications with Minato aside from the fact that he might get an overwhelming blitz out of no where. How can Minato hit something that is untouchable? He can protect himself with Enton all around him! I bet your next excuse is that Minato can go through non-extinguishing flames! Hiruzen lost to Orochimaru, so how will Hiruzen beat Sasuke? You fail in making sense my friend!

@bolded 1: How would that help him?
@Bolded 2: Lightning dosent really "BEAT" water, but gives an advantage to the lightning user. One again, dont use Poke Logic.

@Bolded 3: Itachi wasnt even going all out, so this lacks credibilty. As for A, that match could have resulted in a double KO. Bee has never been noted to be exceptionally fast. While alll characters listed are indeed fast. They arent on par with Minato's S/T jutsu.


But as I stated before, Any battle that sasuke is in against these guys, it all comes down to whoever finds an oppening/weakness and exploits it 1st. Each jutsu has a downside.

 

[Saado]

I came here to address you people that keep overpowering Minato and Tobimara!

"Nobody can be serious about Minato beating Sasuke with no difficulty. I keep seeing the same things over and over! I
believe people don't even think twice about their opinions before replying to others. We understand they are both strong
in their own rights, but hasn't most Hokages lost fights to Akatsuki's, Sannin's, and Rogue Ninjas? So why must we keep
talking about someone's strength just because they're in the "Leaf Village?"

"Didn't Hiruzen lose to Orochimaru? Didn't Danzo lose to Sasuke? Didn't Minato fail to finish off Obito? Didn't Tobimara lose
to Gold and Silver Squad? Didn't Tsunade have her loses as well? You understand where i'm getting at here? Just because
they are Kages doesn't mean they are the best! Sure each of them have their own skill set, but many ninjas can beat them
in a 1-on-1 excluding possibly Tobimara aside from Hashirama."

"Now overpowering Hashirama isn't necessarily bad since he basically had a lot of bad rapport by many of you. Still, Hiruzen
was praised to be the strongest out of the four Kages which is far from the truth. Hiruzen was strong, but a far cry from
being powerful! Minato is arguably the fastest ninja along with Naruto, but he isn't the strongest and many people take his
speed to use for his strength! Speed can be trump just like Madara when he grabbed hold of A."

"Now many of you are saying that Sasuke can't hold his own against none of them! That's a complete bunch of lies for real!
But when push comes to shove you. When you see one of your beloved Kages losing you go, Ahh, but how? He was a
Kage? She was a Kage? Sasuke is already above Kage-level ninja just below Naruto. So i don't see why the constant
bashing of his character it's gotten worse ever since his collaboration match with Itachi against Kabuto."

I have seen people praise Minato the point where he can beat Juubi, Nagato, Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, etc... That's ridiculous
to point out for real! He is just pure speed that's all! Why the constant admiration about his speed being the validation of
being strong? He is skillful, but big deal! Speed can be taken down! Doesn't matter what method the person decides to
use!

Tobimara on the other hand is Hashirama's brother. I can't really see him being weak at all because they're brothers each
set of brothers is strong doesn't matter from what clan! He is the creator of Edo Tensei, a master of Suiton jutsu, and he
is said to have S/T techniques as well. We haven't seen him in battle to really make a claim that's he so great! We already
have knowledge about Hashirama so we can conclude that's he is the real deal, but not Tobimara!

Now to compare if any of them fought Sasuke! I don't see Hiruzen beating EMS Sasuke. I don't see Minato beating EMS
Sasuke. Tobimara has a chance, but a low one in fact! Hashirama clearly beats EMS Sasuke!

u mad bro?

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

@bolded 1: How would that help him?
@Bolded 2: Lightning dosent really "BEAT" water, but gives an advantage to the lightning user. One again, dont use Poke Logic.

@Bolded 3: Itachi wasnt even going all out, so this lacks credibilty. As for A, that match could have resulted in a double KO. Bee has never been noted to be exceptionally fast. While alll characters listed are indeed fast. They arent on par with Minato's S/T jutsu.


But as I stated before, Any battle that sasuke is in against these guys, it all comes down to whoever finds an oppening/weakness and exploits it 1st. Each jutsu has a downside.

#1 It helps him because he can manipulate Tobimara through genjutsu by cancelling the technique! Or who knows if he can cancel it himself since he already knows. It just means overall that he has knowledge about the jutsu.

#2 I'm trying to compare use a Pikachu & Squirtle because Suiton doesn't have nothing on Raiton. Unless we talk about devastating moves that trap your opponent that might be different.

#3 Where did i state Itachi was going all out? I was stating that Sasuke has fought one the most fastest ninjas on his own. Minato teleports that's the difference don't see what use will it be if he can't touch Sasuke.

 

[BladerItachi]

Not really you're stating ludicrous ideas about Tobimara being superior to Sasuke because of a finger movement? That's real insightful! We have seen Sasuke in the manga since the start don't start being bias putting Tobimara above Sasuke just beause he got a reaction from him. That proves nothing! You also state how can Sasuke beat Hiruzen and Minato! I bet you won't be afraid to state that Naruto cleans house, while Sasuke doesn't beat none of them. Your completely foolish just like the rest that keep overpowering Naruto being the best, but meanwhile his rival takes the backseat by being mocked all the time! Sasuke can definitely solo almost all of them in a 1-on-1. I was fair by stating that Tobimara can give Sasuke trouble, but that doesn't mean he loses. He already knows about Tobimara's Edo Tensei Hand Seal, plus he can beat water with lightning. Minato is a taijutsu mogul; but Sasuke has fought speedsters like Itachi, A, and B. I don't see Sasuke having that many complications with Minato aside from the fact that he might get an overwhelming blitz out of no where. How can Minato hit something that is untouchable? He can protect himself with Enton all around him! I bet your next excuse is that Minato can go through non-extinguishing flames! Hiruzen lost to Orochimaru, so how will Hiruzen beat Sasuke? You fail in making sense my friend!

You are deluded, if you think I mocked Sasuke, I just don't get with people like you who over hype their favourite character without any logics...

You can't compare Minato to Sasuke when we haven't even seen Minato's full arsenal yet, remember he did counter Obito's kamui unlike others and technically defeated him, so you don't think he can take on Sasuke, you make me laugh: His susano and amataresu are OP but Minato's FTG should be able to blitz past most of Sasuke's attacks, as if A can dodge Amataresu at point blank and Kabuto can dodge Susano arrow, then so can Minato And yes overwhelming blitz = being marked and done for
You also forgot his S/T technique, which Susano may not be capable of defending, since its one of the most haxxed techs in the manga.... Just looking at Obito was proof, since he became one of the strongest just like that

Dunno about Hiruzen but we have only seen Old Hiruzen against Orochimaru, so in prime might be a different case

Don't bring Naruto in, when I never mentioned that Brat!

Plus I never meant it would be easy for Tobirama, yes he would have difficulties but I believe the difference in strength is too great between them, hence Sasuke wouldn't stand a chance

And don't bring the Lightning beats water BS, this isn't Pokemon LOL Cos if we do then don't you think Rasengan beats Chidori theory which proves your elemental stuff wrong HAH!