Stop Overpowering Minato and Tobimara!

[FireBird Marco]

Tobirama & Minato>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the uchias combined

 

[FleeOnSight]

Boy shut up. Sasuke couldn't handle raikages speed. What makes you think he can handle minatos?

 

[LolaxXx]

#1 It helps him because he can manipulate Tobimara through genjutsu by cancelling the technique! Or who knows if he can cancel it himself since he already knows. It just means overall that he has knowledge about the jutsu.

#2 I'm trying to compare use a Pikachu & Squirtle because Suiton doesn't have nothing on Raiton. Unless we talk about devastating moves that trap your opponent that might be different.

#3 Where did i state Itachi was going all out? I was stating that Sasuke has fought one the most fastest ninjas on his own. Minato teleports that's the difference don't see what use will it be if he can't touch Sasuke.

I think Tobirama is too strong to be manipulated by Sasuke. And sasuke's genjutsu isnt very powerful. And what does Sasuke know of Edo Tensei? He dosent know the seals to perfom it, or to cancel it. His 1st time seeing it was just now.

Suiton powers up raiton if they are combined. Lightning dosent over power water. Both jutsu feed off eachother, just like fire and wind.

..And saying sasuke fought against itachi as an argument, isn't valid, since the fight was staged by Itachi.

 

[Solaris Vexius]

From your response, you have no weight in calling someone retarded.
Also, you surely cannot slap the retarded tag on somebody yet lack the grammar.

Believe it is, you are rather than ur. Try again

fixed. I dislike hypocrites.

 

[6PathsofKami]

People said the same about Hashirama that he was overhyped, look at their silly faces now. We havnt seen enough of Minato to say that he is weak, he is feared for a reason and no its not only for his speed. Imo only Hiruzen cant defeat Sasuke but the other 3 can. Minato with high difficulty, Tobirama mid/low difficulty and Hashirama low difficulty.

 

[iKaras]

1st hokage - Not even gonna make a case. 1st Hokage > current Sasuke.
2nd hokage - Can't make a case. He's still pending. Kishi seems to be pushing him to be the 2nd strongest hokage though.
3rd Hokage - Past his prime. still a bad***. Sasuke should be able to take him out Mid diff.
4th Hokage - Probably the smartest character in the room. Sasuke can take him but it has to be quick cause this dude can figure weaknesses out on par with Itachi. Sharingan can't follow FTG. For now i'd call this a stalemate

 

[grenwood]

all i know is that minato has a fuinjutstu that seals away any dojutsu, kind of how the five elements seal seals a bijuu away from a jinuriki. also he didnt use it against obito because obito couldnt be touched long enough to activate the seal. sasugay can which is why sasugays ems is meaningless.

 

[beast7960]

Minato was able to 1v2 raikage and bee and come out even, where as sasuke got roflstomped by bee.

 

[minatoisagod]

i get what your trying to say but you still come across as a deluded fan boy in your argument. I don't mean to sound all ad hominem fallacy on ya but it does seem like so. But ppl tend to over hype a character which you yourself are doing in your argument now. The only way to know is if they actually fight. Other than that what your arguing is mere speculation and opinion like everyone else now a definitive fact that can happen.

 

[Champ]

I agree Fly

 

[sulanis]

Your in denial at the end of the day, but that's fine with me!

He has his own opinion just like you do! you can't say he has denial for disagreeing with you.

Anyways I do agree with you on some points

1) Minato's speed and ability to see through jutsu, clear thinking, and intelligence is what made him powerful. Could he beat Sasuke hands down. No, thats just weird thinking.

2) I doubt Sasuke is above kage level, because he is still getting use to his new eyes and still has a major flaw he allows his arrogance and self-confidents get in the way and has gotten himself almost killed a few times. Especially when he underestimated the kages and Diedara. Sasuke However does have the potential to be much more power and I am for one excited to see that!

3) When TobiRama saw MS he didn't look scared in the least, which tells me that he has been in a fight with a MS user before, but to be fair i think tobirama is being a bit confident because he has no idea what sasuke is capable of.

you did raise a good thread though

 

[Sherlock.]

Sasuke is lucky to have been born with a KKG like the Sharingan....
Minato worked hard to be where he is.... So I guess saying Minato is unimpressive is kinda wrong....

 

[Wanheda]

Well minato is almost the strongest in my opinion so ill overpower him. -Aang-

 

[Wesobi]

For all your ranting on the hokages, I have the impression that you are a big supporter of Sasuke. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you should also do the math the other way around.

Hiruzen/Tsunade are the only ones I can say who will easily be defeated by Sasuke just out of pure power.
I sense you have some hatred for Minato, or maybe I'm under that impression. I do have to disagree that he's all about pure speed. He's a genius, on the level of Itachi. They're both the type of Shinobi geniuses that come around once every generation. That alone being said, he's not about pure speed. Also, he made his own S/T ninjutsu, he made his own Rasengan and that is all loose from his speed. His base speed is not faster than that of any shinobi. He just has the ability to perceive things way better and react more easily. Because of that, his speed seems higher, but it doesn't. He uses the body flicker technique, to move faster, that isn't base speed either.

While I agree that Sasuke would probably defeat Tobirama, I'm not too sure. The fact is that FTG is too vaguely explained for us to know about it. Could he be able to teleport an "ethereal" thing like Susano'o? Perhaps, no idea.
He's a sensory ninja as well (considering the last manga where he sensed naruto and kurama without touching the ground). That could give him the edge over Sasuke, who has to keep visual contact to maintain any form of sensing in the first place. The thing is, it's pointless to just go "he wouldn't be able to defeat him" with characters like these. We can guess and theorize, but I don't really see your post made up of any evident proof and detailed logic to support your opinion. This is needed so much considering we don't know their full potential.

Just my two cents.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

sasuke and naruto they both just cant walk away from the "cheat codes"

 

[izzy89]

Meaning the only fight Minato actually won was against an inexperienced kid in his first actual battle

that wasn't his first battle...just the only one you choose to remember.

ANYWAYS all i will say is this. sasuke tried to flex against against the current five kage at once and almost lost his life.....if he tries to flex in this situation....against all four hokage...he WILL lose. no question.

 

[NarutoIndra]

I disagree, I don't see Minato having no chance in a fight with Sasuke. Obito, who could warp himself at quick speeds; becoming invulnerable, attacked Konoha, and was easily defeated by Minato's intelligence,speed, experience, and seals (none of which Sasuke would compare in).

Sasuke's abilities don't work well for a foe such as Minato, who can dodge most of his attacks and easily outlast him in stamina. Amateratsu was dodged by the fourth Raikage, meaning Minato can logically do it as well. Sasuke's genjutsu isn't really anything to call home about, and wouldn't change the fight enough tot the point where it can give him the upper hand as Itachi would be capable of. Using his Susano'o is actually a disadvantage in a battle with Minato, it slows him down, it takes lots of chakra, and tires him out rapidly. His Susano'o can shoot quick arrows, but Minato can easily dodge, or possibly even redirect it back to Sasuke with a space-time barrier. This paragraph is to portray the fact that his MS/EMS abilities are ineffective in such a fight.

If you talk about a Ninjutsu fight, nothing can really effect Minato, as he will easily dodge any jutsu has to offer (especially Katon is they have a tendency to be slow, his Raiton attacks are pretty slow, and if they are not, they are short range). We don't know much about Minato's Ninjutsu, but know that he has the rasengan. His rasengan is supposedly to be advanced enough to be as big as Naruto's Odama rasengan in his base, in addition to his FTG, can end the fight instantaneously.

Taijutsu fight would be an easy win for Minato, he can simply place a seal while they are exchanging punches and back away (obviously Sasuke will not realize this). Once he has a distance he can simply teleport to Sasuke like he did in the Konoha invasion of Obito, and blast him with a rasengan.

If you are really confident about Sasuke winning this fight, give me an explanation that is logical, and possibly counter some of these points.

 

[voids]

Minato is naturally a very skillful shinobi. His natural speed, strength and sealing techniques allow for easy, but also very deadly combinations. I personally think that at this stage in the manga, Minato an still beat sasuke, however, it would be a difficult battle.

To the guy Serotonin, Minato was actually quite impressive in my honest opinion. He was fighting against his pupil (who knew Minatos fighting style well) not only that but Obito gained a lot of experience from Madara which is invaluable. Furthermore, Obito's hax'ed Kamui and Minato's own quick deduction that Obito had to be vulnerable whilst about to attack. Plus Obito had Hashirama DNA, which we all know how great that is.

OT again: Tobirama is a pretty strong individual. He is the brother of the first and we can only assume that he is only weaker by about aprox 10-15%. Though until I see Tobirama in combat I cannot say much more, other than Hashirama was force to be serious because he knew what his brother may be capable of.

We aren't OP'ing, the info we have is OP'ing them

 

[Jonesy161]

Now to compare if any of them fought Sasuke! I don't see Hiruzen beating EMS Sasuke. I don't see Minato beating EMS Sasuke. Tobimara has a chance, but a low one in fact! Hashirama clearly beats EMS Sasuke!

Sorry, but Hashirama equated that a single finger from Tobirama was deadly enough. I think Tobirama has a better than "low one in fact" chance to beat Sasuke. Hell, he was even willing to go 1 on 1 with Madara. Tobirama may not be as strong as Hashi, but I can safely say Sasuke comes no where close to Tobirama's power.

Secondly, not saying Minato isn't more powerful than Sasuke, but I can definately see Minato being able to defeat EMS Sasuke. A fight is not all about power. Obito had more power than Minato when they fought, but look who won? The battle comes down to strategy. Minato has to be one of, if not the smartest shinobi seen so far. He's able to observe a jutsu the first time it's used and create a counter attack to it within seconds. That's how smart he is and luckily enough, he has the fastest jutsu to back up his thought process, the FTG. Even without FTG, he's still faster than A (A told Naruto that Naruto was the 2nd one to outrun him, first being his father, Minato) That kind of speed coupled with FTG, sealing techniques and his monstrous thinking capability? I don't see Sasuke having anywhere close to an easy match.

Minato has unimpressive to me ever since Obito was revealed.
According to the timeline Obito was only 14 when he fought Minato.
Meaning the only fight Minato actually won was against an inexperienced kid in his first actual battle.

To think that some people think he can stand a chance against Itachi the solo king.

Minato fought against A and Bee simultaneously and retreated. A isn't the type to let a fight slip away. The fact he let Minato leave was because he knew he stood no chance. He also later admitted to Naruto that the first man to ever out class A in speed was Minato. During the fight, Minato was only smiling and praising Bee as well. Not something someone who was scared would be doing.

Orders were given to troops from other countries that if they were to see Minato/The Yellow Flash in battle, they were to flee/retreat immediately. They gave these orders to platoons of nearly a 100+ men as well. For Minato to instigate that much fear on the battlefield, clearly, wasn't his first fight.

Minato was around 8 years oldnor so when Kushina was kidnapped, he single-handedly located her and took out all the kidnappers. He didn't even have FTG or Rasengan at that age.

He fought Obito, figured out how Obito's S/T jutsu worked (which took Kakashi nearly 100 chapters to figure out), damaged Obito without being hurt himself, stopped a tailed-beast ball from destroying Konoha, teleported a full size nine-tails away from the city, got stabbed by the nine-tails and still managed to seal away half within Naruto, half within the death-god and then sealed part of himself and Kushina within Naruto before dieing. Hiruzen struggled from sealing the 1st, 2nd and Oro's arms after being stabbed with a sword. Minato did it to the Nine-Tails easily with a giant as nail going through his abdomen.

Sorry to say, it's not I who make Minato seem powerful, it's not other fans who make him seem OP, it's what we've seen him do so far.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

i get what your trying to say but you still come across as a deluded fan boy in your argument. I don't mean to sound all ad hominem fallacy on ya but it does seem like so. But ppl tend to over hype a character which you yourself are doing in your argument now. The only way to know is if they actually fight. Other than that what your arguing is mere speculation and opinion like everyone else now a definitive fact that can happen.

A fanboy is someone who posts a winner for no reason. I stated that Sasuke can use Susanoo and Enton to his advantage to deal with Minato's speed! Why must people hold onto the speed to beat Sasuke? It will take more than speed to beat him.