Weakest Current Kage?

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There are other speed deats of her but mei has not so much madara said byhimself she is slower than raikage a but stronger so think of it stronger than raikage but slower than him slower than the fastest shinobi alive he doesnt compared her to mei or gaara he compared her to the fastest shinobi alive
I never once argued Mei's speed over Tsunade's. Thats almost irrelevant to be honest. Im arguing against the fact that Tsunade will be able to truly speed blitz Mei and kill her before she performs any jutsu. That notion just seems ridiculous to me.
 

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She jumped. Hand seals require more time than jumping. If Mei, Gaara or Oonoki had byakugo im sure it wouldve been them in that scan that jumped in front of the attack. Thats why i said "The only people weve seen do that effectively to shinobi that arent fodder..." For instance Madara speed blitzed tons of shinobi but they are unnamed fodder, thus they died. I couldve included Gai and lee in there as well but other than that youre not seeing a whole ton of effective speed blitzing.
But that is the thing. Her jutsu require such a process which tsunade can exploit considering she doesn't have to do hand seals and crap to go up to mei and slap her head of. And regardless this is a better feat than anything mei has done.
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And speedblitzing has happened since the beginning of naruto.
 

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None of them are weak, but the weakest is probably Gaara, at least after he lost Shikaku. Normal Gaara doesn't match up just quite to the others, but he's still amazingly powerful.
 

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But that is the thing. Her jutsu require such a process which tsunade can exploit considering she doesn't have to do hand seals and crap to go up to mei and slap her head of. And regardless this is a better feat than anything mei has done.
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And speedblitzing has happened since the beginning of naruto.
Once again, Mei is not completely stationary. That allows her to use her jutsu while being a mobile target. Thus making it harder for Tsunade to land a hit. Answer me this in all honesty: Do you really think that if Kishi came out with a chapter of them fighting, that it would consist of Mei not getting off a single jutsu and Tsunade speed blitzing her and punching her to pieces?
 

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Do you read naruto? Mei could not even whip out a jutsu in time.
Yes I do in fact read Naruto.

Mei could whip out a jutsu, but it might not be one with the power needed to destroy the level of the Fire Style Madara used. It is good to note that her mouth was already full of water meaning she was on the verge of using the technique; however, others may have taken damage before it was in full swing.

In that scenario I don't believe the other Kage made a movement at all; Tsunade simply stepped in front of the attack because she has a jutsu that is inhibits the Tanking of techniques.

Tsunade's mobility is far slower than anyones except maybee Mei, but unlike Mei she doesn't have any ranged techniques. So where other opponents such as Gai using the Inner Gates can speed blitz Tsunade, Mei has an option to use Boil Release or Lava in order to keep others at bay. Her overall fighting style is weaker than that of the other Kage in an overall view of combat scenarios.....

Obviously Tsunade has an advantage in a fight against the Raikage because the Raikage's attacks are all close range...if she tanks an attack from him and can grab a hold of him, she can simply punch him and be done with it. Sadly she doesn't have the speed of the Raikage to blitz people with her tremendous strength which puts her at a disadvantage against long range users who can simply use Jutsu to slow her down while they fall back, and strategically drain her of her chakra reserves.

I'd appreciate it if instead of throwing out generic insults you try some constructive criticism. It makes for better deate and conversation when one uses polite edicate.

I am also not a Tsunade basher, and nor do I believe she is weak. I'm simply analysing her abilities in comparison to the overall fighting scheme of the Narutovers, and pointing out the way to exploit her techniques.

Others have weaknesses which I pointed out at the start with Oonoiki's back problems and Gaara's inexperience. I could have added that in dire situation, Mei tends to panic or express negative phrases a lot (something that could be affecting her overall combat potential).
 
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Do you have proof? Tsunade has much better feats than mei.
because she has gotten more screen time, mei (for her screen time) has shown two techniques that can kill tsunade, and she also has speed feats too..tsunade cant get close because she will be overwhelmed by lava release, tsunade hasnt shown once that she can land an attack before someone has the chance to weave a sign.

Hidden mist can slow tsunade down and disrupt her movements too..the fact that tsunade needs to make contact puts her at a huge disadvantage already. Mei's lava release which can cover a lagre area would be devastating for someone with that type of fighting style
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Here she blitzed madaras clone with rinnegan if she can do this than she woud beat may for sure
 

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And tsunade also has katsuyu for her defense katsuyu is one of the most resisten beings in naruto she survived the nine tails fox chakra and chibaku tensei
 

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Once again, Mei is not completely stationary. That allows her to use her jutsu while being a mobile target. Thus making it harder for Tsunade to land a hit. Answer me this in all honesty: Do you really think that if Kishi came out with a chapter of them fighting, that it would consist of Mei not getting off a single jutsu and Tsunade speed blitzing her and punching her to pieces?
Well tsunade obviously has better feats and even if mei can release a jutsu it will definitely not land. LOL with the speed I was just going more along the lines of mei not being able to successful use jutsu or if she did not land a hit and eventually be overwhelmed. I never said she would one shot but she would win in no time. We both agree tsunade would win but just differ on the difficulty.
 

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because she has gotten more screen time, mei (for her screen time) has shown two techniques that can kill tsunade, and she also has speed feats too..tsunade cant get close because she will be overwhelmed by lava release, tsunade hasnt shown once that she can land an attack before someone has the chance to weave a sign.

Hidden mist can slow tsunade down and disrupt her movements too..the fact that tsunade needs to make contact puts her at a huge disadvantage already. Mei's lava release which can cover a lagre area would be devastating for someone with that type of fighting style
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Yeah and that last panel sure looks like one hand sign to me.. Thats to Akatsuki Wise Guy and not you. Hope you dont mind me using your picture for my argument haha.
 

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Well tsunade obviously has better feats and even if mei can release a jutsu it will definitely not land. LOL with the speed I was just going more along the lines of mei not being able to successful use jutsu or if she did not land a hit and eventually be overwhelmed. I never said she would one shot but she would win in no time. We both agree tsunade would win but just differ on the difficulty.
To say it definitely wont land is debatable. If used in the correct manner of course it could land. Thats the problem with versus stuff, you have to make up fake scenarios. But thats beside the point, Boil release could be utilized as an effective defense for sure. And that one seems pretty unavoidable for a close range taijutsu fighter like Tsunade. The amount of damage it would do to her though is debatable of course.
 

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Yes I do in fact read Naruto.

Mei could whip out a jutsu, but it might not be one with the power needed to destroy the level of the Fire Style Madara used. It is good to note that her mouth was already full of water meaning she was on the verge of using the technique; however, others may have taken damage before it was in full swing.

In that scenario I don't believe the other Kage made a movement at all; Tsunade simply stepped in front of the attack because she has a jutsu that is inhibits the Tanking of techniques.

Tsunade's mobility is far slower than anyones except maybee Mei, but unlike Mei she doesn't have any ranged techniques. So where other opponents such as Gai using the Inner Gates can speed blitz Tsunade, Mei has an option to use Boil Release or Lava in order to keep others at bay. Her overall fighting style is weaker than that of the other Kage in an overall view of combat scenarios.....

Obviously Tsunade has an advantage in a fight against the Raikage because the Raikage's attacks are all close range...if she tanks an attack from him and can grab a hold of him, she can simply punch him and be done with it. Sadly she doesn't have the speed of the Raikage to blitz people with her tremendous strength which puts her at a disadvantage against long range users who can simply use Jutsu to slow her down while they fall back, and strategically drain her of her chakra reserves.

I'd appreciate it if instead of throwing out generic insults you try some constructive criticism. It makes for better deate and conversation when one uses polite edicate.

I am also not a Tsunade basher, and nor do I believe she is weak. I'm simply analysing her abilities in comparison to the overall fighting scheme of the Narutovers, and pointing out the way to exploit her techniques.

Others have weaknesses which I pointed out at the start with Oonoiki's back problems and Gaara's inexperience. I could have added that in dire situation, Mei tends to panic or express negative phrases a lot (something that could be affecting her overall combat potential).
because she has gotten more screen time, mei (for her screen time) has shown two techniques that can kill tsunade, and she also has speed feats too..tsunade cant get close because she will be overwhelmed by lava release, tsunade hasnt shown once that she can land an attack before someone has the chance to weave a sign.

Hidden mist can slow tsunade down and disrupt her movements too..the fact that tsunade needs to make contact puts her at a huge disadvantage already. Mei's lava release which can cover a lagre area would be devastating for someone with that type of fighting style
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The point is she would have a hard time even doing a single jutsu considering tsuande doesn't have to weave shit to move faster than her techniques.



Better speed feat than anything mei has done.

Mei's lava is slow. It has no good speed feats. Keeping others at bay will just delay the inevitable. tsunade works with what she has and is much better than mei. She has better speed than mei and has katsuyu for long range.

I did not really insult you.

The manga has made it obvious that mei is the weakest.

Lava created a few meter puddle big deal.
 

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Well tsunade obviously has better feats and even if mei can release a jutsu it will definitely not land. LOL with the speed I was just going more along the lines of mei not being able to successful use jutsu or if she did not land a hit and eventually be overwhelmed. I never said she would one shot but she would win in no time. We both agree tsunade would win but just differ on the difficulty.
IMHO, if Tsunade and Mei were to fight, I'd say it would be 50/50. Your underrating Mei. And I dont think she's as slow as everyone makes her out to be, although her lava jutsu are kind of slow. But I dont see why couldn't use her boil release to keep Tsunade away, especially is an enclosed area. Its both a great offence and defense. She could just keep topping up the mist.

 
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To say it definitely wont land is debatable. If used in the correct manner of course it could land. Thats the problem with versus stuff, you have to make up fake scenarios. But thats beside the point, Boil release could be utilized as an effective defense for sure. And that one seems pretty unavoidable for a close range taijutsu fighter like Tsunade. The amount of damage it would do to her though is debatable of course.
Yeah they both have their advantages and can be played out to be their savior in the correct scenario. But I just see tsunade winning.
 

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Still Tsunade has her byakugou justu wich tops everthing that mei has
Instant regeneration not simpel healing creation with no hand seals like hashirama i believe much people underistimate this power jutsu
 
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