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[Reborn]

Alright, I think we all know about single casting, initiating one genjutsu technique at a time on one or more opponents. This is basic, but in order to cast any sort of genjutsu you need to first understand the requirments. You must have some means of knowing the location of your opponent in order to cast them under genjutsu. Primarily this means you need to have a clear line of sight, however there are other ways to be aware of your opponent's location as opposed to just sight.

Chakra sensing: sense the chakra sense the location. This is perhaps the second best way to be certian of your opponent's location.

Dojutsu: By this I primarily mean the Byakugan. You can't blind these mofos except in a few different ways. Obstructing the immediate line of vision cannot stop them from seeing/sensing you and therefore, are perhaps have the strongest way to cast genjutsu on people at any given point.

Hearing: Only when you have strong enough hearing like inner sonar. I mean any normal person can hear else where but if my sound knowledge is correct, inner sonar allows for you to hear in such great detail, possibly the even the heart beat in your opponent. This level of hearing is more than enough to figure out the location of your opponent, enough to cast them under an illusion.

Olfactory: I think this would pertain to Inuzuka bios, strong enough sense of smell to sniff out an opponent. Kiba could detect Sasuke's scent when he was some km away. In direct combat in close and mid range a high level Inuzuka should be able to sniff you out and use genjutsu.

Touch: Vibrations, I believe this would pertain to certian bio abilities like Minato's and Tobirama that for that ability to detect their opponent's through feeling the vibrations of the earth.

Taste: You got me on that one
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Most of what I said, pertains to specific bio abilities. Not everybody has sound or an Inuzuka, or sensory bio however there are a few techniques that are capable of allowing you to sense your opponent and should allow for you to cast illusions. I can think of two or three canon techniques off the top of my head.

List me some canon techniques that would aid you in sensing your opponent's wareabouts and also list any customs you might have to do so also.

 

[-Cobalt-]

Alright, I think we all know about single casting, initiating one genjutsu technique at a time on one or more opponents. This is basic, but in order to cast any sort of genjutsu you need to first understand the requirments. You must have some means of knowing the location of your opponent in order to cast them under genjutsu. Primarily this means you need to have a clear line of sight, however there are other ways to be aware of your opponent's location as opposed to just sight.

Chakra sensing: sense the chakra sense the location. This is perhaps the second best way to be certian of your opponent's location.

Dojutsu: By this I primarily mean the Byakugan. You can't blind these mofos except in a few different ways. Obstructing the immediate line of vision cannot stop them from seeing/sensing you and therefore, are perhaps have the strongest way to cast genjutsu on people at any given point.

Hearing: Only when you have strong enough hearing like inner sonar. I mean any normal person can hear else where but if my sound knowledge is correct, inner sonar allows for you to hear in such great detail, possibly the even the heart beat in your opponent. This level of hearing is more than enough to figure out the location of your opponent, enough to cast them under an illusion.

Olfactory: I think this would pertain to Inuzuka bios, strong enough sense of smell to sniff out an opponent. Kiba could detect Sasuke's scent when he was some km away. In direct combat in close and mid range a high level Inuzuka should be able to sniff you out and use genjutsu.

Touch: Vibrations, I believe this would pertain to certian bio abilities like Minato's and Tobirama that for that ability to detect their opponent's through feeling the vibrations of the earth.

Taste: You got me on that one
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Most of what I said, pertains to specific bio abilities. Not everybody has sound or an Inuzuka, or sensory bio however there are a few techniques that are capable of allowing you to sense your opponent and should allow for you to cast illusions. I can think of two or three canon techniques off the top of my head.

List me some canon techniques that would aid you in sensing your opponent's wareabouts and also list any customs you might have to do so also.

The first canon technique that pops into my head is "Water Release:Rain Tiger at Will Technique". Then, there is the chakra sensing technique but it only pertains to restricted biographies. There are some ninjutsu techniques like the "Barrier: Dome Method Formation" which allows the user to sense anything within the barrier. There is also a "sensing" variant, using my Wood clones which I have a mind link with. If they see you, so do I. The only sensing related custom I have is my Gull summoning which you know all too well.

And about the taste sensing thing, I believe snake summonings are capable of that. Since they use their tungs to pick up the opponents scent/taste they should be able to do that.

 

[Kamishiro]

Pretty much all what Cobalt said. >_>

Tho there are other abilities like SM who gives you the ability to sense any source of chakra around the user (if I understand SM correctly). There also is third eye technique, which is one of the sand techniques that allows you to create an eye of sound anywhere you like and thus opening your vision to another spot on the battle field. Of course in addition to the sensory sand technique.

Customs, there are the technique that allows you to sense anything that stands on the ground as long as you are in contact with the ground (can't remember it's name) And there is a technique that allows you to sense anyone via air. And the ability of the Mandalorian clan (to sense via the helmet) And of course the Kiyoshi clan sensing ability (I don't have this tho).

 

[Reborn]

The first canon technique that pops into my head is "Water Release:Rain Tiger at Will Technique". Then, there is the chakra sensing technique but it only pertains to restricted biographies. There are some ninjutsu techniques like the "Barrier: Dome Method Formation" which allows the user to sense anything within the barrier. There is also a "sensing" variant, using my Wood clones which I have a mind link with. If they see you, so do I. The only sensing related custom I have is my Gull summoning which you know all too well.

And about the taste sensing thing, I believe snake summonings are capable of that. Since they use their tungs to pick up the opponents scent/taste they should be able to do that.

Pretty much all what Cobalt said. >_>

Tho there are other abilities like SM who gives you the ability to sense any source of chakra around the user (if I understand SM correctly). There also is third eye technique, which is one of the sand techniques that allows you to create an eye of sound anywhere you like and thus opening your vision to another spot on the battle field. Of course in addition to the sensory sand technique.

Customs, there are the technique that allows you to sense anything that stands on the ground as long as you are in contact with the ground (can't remember it's name) And there is a technique that allows you to sense anyone via air. And the ability of the Mandalorian clan (to sense via the helmet) And of course the Kiyoshi clan sensing ability (I don't have this tho).

You guys basically covered every method of detection.

For Cobalt, in regards to summoning jutsu animals that have sensory abilities, that only gives liberties for the summon to cast illusion (if they're capable of doing so). Obviously you of all people know about that just from dealing with me. My Caracals are Sensory animals and genjutsu users, so essentially they have few restrictions in terms of casting genjutsu. We'll get into how one would defeat/neutralize one's ability to cast illusions with heightened senses when we talk about the defense aspect of the training.

Genjutsu users will look for methods to cast their genjutsu under any conditions, even under zero ability of the other five senses. Make use of those basic techniques at your disposal for set up/insurance that you're capable of casting on your opponents.

Do you guys have any other questions on how one might cast an illusion or can we move onto the next level.

 

[Kamishiro]

You guys basically covered every method of detection.

For Cobalt, in regards to summoning jutsu animals that have sensory abilities, that only gives liberties for the summon to cast illusion (if they're capable of doing so). Obviously you of all people know about that just from dealing with me. My Caracals are Sensory animals and genjutsu users, so essentially they have few restrictions in terms of casting genjutsu. We'll get into how one would defeat/neutralize one's ability to cast illusions with heightened senses when we talk about the defense aspect of the training.

Genjutsu users will look for methods to cast their genjutsu under any conditions, even under zero ability of the other five senses. Make use of those basic techniques at your disposal for set up/insurance that you're capable of casting on your opponents.

Do you guys have any other questions on how one might cast an illusion or can we move onto the next level.

Only one, if the one is moving in a speed that everything is seen bluring, however the user still knows his place, could he place a genjutsu on the opponent? Oh and two others xD

1. Could the user manipulate what happens in the genjutsu? For example, the hell fire technique, could I manipulate the fireball to fall upon the opponent whoever in an angle that is aiming towards his back or his front body? Or it is only allowed to descend straight?

2. If the genjutsu's properties are void. Meaning the user got ride of what is happening inside of the genjutsu, is the genjutsu over? For example, Someone casted the hell fire technique on me, and then I used water technique as a reply, is the genjutsu void? Or the water doesn't do any effect and I continue to see the fire descending? o_o

I think it won't make effect on the technique and I will continue to see the properties of the technique happening without any difference as I all what I am seeing an illusion, and I could use it as a reason to get out of the genjutsu (that the water for example goes through it without any effect). But I just want to make sure. xD

 

[-Cobalt-]

You guys basically covered every method of detection.

For Cobalt, in regards to summoning jutsu animals that have sensory abilities, that only gives liberties for the summon to cast illusion (if they're capable of doing so). Obviously you of all people know about that just from dealing with me. My Caracals are Sensory animals and genjutsu users, so essentially they have few restrictions in terms of casting genjutsu. We'll get into how one would defeat/neutralize one's ability to cast illusions with heightened senses when we talk about the defense aspect of the training.

Genjutsu users will look for methods to cast their genjutsu under any conditions, even under zero ability of the other five senses. Make use of those basic techniques at your disposal for set up/insurance that you're capable of casting on your opponents.

Do you guys have any other questions on how one might cast an illusion or can we move onto the next level.

I'm aware of that, but if my summoning has sensing abilities and informs me of your location, am I able to cast Genjutsu upon you?

Other than that I have no other questions.

 

[Reborn]

Only one, if the one is moving in a speed that everything is seen bluring, however the user still knows his place, could he place a genjutsu on the opponent? Oh and two others xD

1. Could the user manipulate what happens in the genjutsu? For example, the hell fire technique, could I manipulate the fireball to fall upon the opponent whoever in an angle that is aiming towards his back or his front body? Or it is only allowed to descend straight?

2. If the genjutsu's properties are void. Meaning the user got ride of what is happening inside of the genjutsu, is the genjutsu over? For example, Someone casted the hell fire technique on me, and then I used water technique as a reply, is the genjutsu void? Or the water doesn't do any effect and I continue to see the fire descending? o_o

I think it won't make effect on the technique and I will continue to see the properties of the technique happening without any difference as I all what I am seeing an illusion, and I could use it as a reason to get out of the genjutsu (that the water for example goes through it without any effect). But I just want to make sure. xD

1) Yes, since you have clear indication on the user's location and if you're eyes are capable enough to keep up with the speed of your opponent, than you have the ability to cast genjutsu on them, that has always been take on the matter.

2) You have some mobility with techniques, for example you can have the hell fire technique approach your opponent from a different angle, though you'd want them to see it in order for them to think it's real and cause harm. You have general mobility and freedoms with most techniques, however don't take them too far and try to exploit them. Best case scenario is to use the techniques as described.

3) That's a good question. Genjutsu affects the mind and creates images/sensations that your opponent takes as reality. If you do something within the genjutsu that contradicts that than maybe. However I believe it's the sensations caused by the genjutsu outweigh the reality you may cause. You're chakra maintains the disruption regardless of what you do (provided you aren't releasing genjutsu) so even if you were to spew water on the Hell Fire, you're mind would still be under the affects of the genjutsu and the reality you precieve would be the fire overcoming the water. In other cases it's more complex though I maintain that general mentality. Unless the jutsu you use can appropriatly re-establish your chakra's balance, you'll still be under the affects of the genjutsu. However if you were to try something and it didn't work, it may well help you discern you're within a genjutsu.

I'm aware of that, but if my summoning has sensing abilities and informs me of your location, am I able to cast Genjutsu upon you?

Other than that I have no other questions.

It's to my judgment that you cannot have a sensory animal act as your guide for your casting of genjutsu. Take our fight in the NW for example. All genjutsu I cast upon you without visability, were done by my Caracal because she had the means to sense you directly and put you under a genjutsu.

Here's how I see the ability to cast genjutsu. In order for somebody to actually cast a genjutsu you need to have clarrification of your own senses meaning you're own senses must be the one that are pinpointing your target. Thats why with the abilities like the Inner Sonar (hearing), Inuzuka's heightend senses (hearing and smell), and direct sensory abilities linked back to the user are the only ways to gain confirmation enough to cast genjutsu.

Sensory animals or partners that give you the location of your opponent(s) are using their perception to give you confirmation. You, yourself have no alternative means of knowing based on your own perception of your opponent's location. It's like being blind and having somebody describe a movie to you. You don't have the clarity of sight. It's the same way with genjutsu, you don't have the clarity of your own sense perception so you're ability to cast genjutsu is void since what you're going on is trust. I hope that makes sense to you.

 

[Kamishiro]

Alrighty, no more questions. Ready to move on. ^_^

 

[-Cobalt-]

Ready to move on as well ^^

 

[Reborn]

Alright people's we get into layering. I'm taking this next page directly from Scorps, since he explains it the best

Double casting Genjutsu or casting multiple genjutsu works. However, what people tend to understand by double and multi layered gen is a technique, a genjutsu, that produces a multi layered illusion. Dispelling the first, renders you caught in the second which you need to then dispel. Thats what will never be approved and isn't possible and that's what people tried to submit before. Multi layered doesn't exist. Multiple simultaneous illusions yes. Those are possible. However, releasing from one, releases from the other as they are both working at the same time. You just need to release from the stronger one active and then you auto release from the other ones that might be in effect.

Casting a Genjutsu upon another genjutsu can work but only when the illusions are compatible and there isn't an overpowering issue.

Example:

-I cast a C-Rank illusion making you see butterflies then try to cast a B-Rank illusion that makes you see eagles floating around.

The moment i cast the B-Rank illusion, i'm overpowering the C-Rank one and dispelling it. If it was the B-rank first, then the C-rank ok, he'd be left seeing butterflies and eagles.

However, this is were it gets tricky. Imagine that I use a gen, A-Rank, that makes him experience torturing visions of death. Then I cast a B-Rank soothing illusion that would end up making him sleep. Whould it be possible? No. Both illusions aren't compatible. As in what you are making the enemy experience isn't in any way compatible.

Bottom line is that you'll need to be sure that the illusions you are casting upon eachother would "work" or "function". Otherwise it won't be possible and casting one will dispel the other.

The only moment so far where we saw a double layer genjutsu was the use of False Surrounding, creating a denser illusion. It was like casting it twice to make the effects stronger and more detailed. Creating, instead of a simple alteration of the surroudings, a more labyrinthian illusion. Its like taking it to another step.

Questions?

 

[-Cobalt-]

Alright people's we get into layering. I'm taking this next page directly from Scorps, since he explains it the best



Questions?

Well I understand everything though I do have some questions.

1. By combining 2 false surrounding techniques, do they then add up in rank like elemental combinations do? That's the only thing I want to know.

 

[Reborn]

Well I understand everything though I do have some questions.

1. By combining 2 false surrounding techniques, do they then add up in rank like elemental combinations do? That's the only thing I want to know.

Nope, Genjutsu doesn't work like that, just by adding two techniques together doesn't increase the rank of the jutsu. The technique would be the equivalent to that of the strongest technique used. For example if you use A-rank+B-rank you're technique is A-ranked in power. Should your opponent use Kai, then they only use 30 chakra to release you from both but it costs 30 because of the A-rank. The technique won't proceed onto S-rank.

I normally thought that, but it didn't make sense to me. I may actually ask Scorps because that could conjure up controversy. However, I believe he'll probably agree with me in that sentiment

 

[Kamishiro]

No questions. ^_^

 

[Reborn]

Alright, test time, give me two combos using the canon genjutsu techniques (no customs or NB gen since neither of you have it) to layer and then if you have any customs, make another combo using any of the canon techniques and/or your own techniques.

Describe them like you're making a move.

 

[-Cobalt-]

Alright, test time, give me two combos using the canon genjutsu techniques (no customs or NB gen since neither of you have it) to layer and then if you have any customs, make another combo using any of the canon techniques and/or your own techniques.

Describe them like you're making a move.

Cannon combo:

I begin my assault by stringing five hand seals and putting you into an illusion in which I dissolve into mist. You would feel completely immobilized thinking I had forced a tree to erupt and bind you. I would then appear from the tree in the illusion aiming to attack you but in reality I'm still where I was when I cast the illusion continuing my assault and moving to mid range. I then continue my illusionary assault by putting you into another genjutsu where I manipulate the terrain short range around you, so that it seems it's the same. I change the terrain in a circular radius around you so that everything in short range seems the same. Beyond short range, you would not see anything, meaning I hid myself so even if you break out of the first genjutsu, the second one would still be in effect, hiding my presence from you.

Spoiler

( Magen: Jubaku Satsu ) - Demonic Illusion: Tree Binding Death
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, and appears to dissolve into a mist. Once they stealthily approach the target and get within short-range, the opponent feels completely immobilized, and believes they have been bound by a fast-growing tree and are unable to move. The user then appears as if they emerge from the tree to attack the target. In reality, the target is immobilized, allowing the user to strike or interrogate them.

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

Custom combo:

I place you into a genjutsu where you are chained to a nearby tree as a bird starts flying down towards you. I then layer this illusion putting you into a genjutsu where the bird turns into a fireball which races towards you incinerating you upon contact.

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Name: (Genjutsu: Prometheus Kashaku)Illusion Technique: Prometheus Bane
Rank:B
Type:Offensive/Defensive
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra:25
Damage:40
Description:The user preforms the usual procedure to put his opponent in a horrifying genjutsu.The opponent will unknowingly find themselves chained to a tree or rock.Suddenly a shadow will fall over them as an eagle soars down and start chopping the liver of the victim.After the opponents belly is hollow their belly will heal and the bird will start feasting upon them again.The pain inflicted by the bird will not put them out of the genjutsu though.The user than has an opportunity to attack his opponent while the bird distracts them.
Note:Can only be taught by -Cobalt-.
Note:Can only be used twice.

( Genjutsu: Jigoku Gouka ) - Illusion Technique: Hell Fire
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

 

[Reborn]

Cannon combo:

I begin my assault by stringing five hand seals and putting you into an illusion in which I dissolve into mist. You would feel completely immobilized thinking I had forced a tree to erupt and bind you. I would then appear from the tree in the illusion aiming to attack you but in reality I'm still where I was when I cast the illusion continuing my assault and moving to mid range. I then continue my illusionary assault by putting you into another genjutsu where I manipulate the terrain short range around you, so that it seems it's the same. I change the terrain in a circular radius around you so that everything in short range seems the same. Beyond short range, you would not see anything, meaning I hid myself so even if you break out of the first genjutsu, the second one would still be in effect, hiding my presence from you.

Spoiler

( Magen: Jubaku Satsu ) - Demonic Illusion: Tree Binding Death
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, and appears to dissolve into a mist. Once they stealthily approach the target and get within short-range, the opponent feels completely immobilized, and believes they have been bound by a fast-growing tree and are unable to move. The user then appears as if they emerge from the tree to attack the target. In reality, the target is immobilized, allowing the user to strike or interrogate them.

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

Custom combo:

I place you into a genjutsu where you are chained to a nearby tree as a bird starts flying down towards you. I then layer this illusion putting you into a genjutsu where the bird turns into a fireball which races towards you incinerating you upon contact.

Spoiler

Name: (Genjutsu: Prometheus Kashaku)Illusion Technique: Prometheus Bane
Rank:B
Type:Offensive/Defensive
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra:25
Damage:40
Description:The user preforms the usual procedure to put his opponent in a horrifying genjutsu.The opponent will unknowingly find themselves chained to a tree or rock.Suddenly a shadow will fall over them as an eagle soars down and start chopping the liver of the victim.After the opponents belly is hollow their belly will heal and the bird will start feasting upon them again.The pain inflicted by the bird will not put them out of the genjutsu though.The user than has an opportunity to attack his opponent while the bird distracts them.
Note:Can only be taught by -Cobalt-.
Note:Can only be used twice.

( Genjutsu: Jigoku Gouka ) - Illusion Technique: Hell Fire
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

First combo is incorrectly used. I'll explain in my last class, my lunch period is up

 

[-Cobalt-]

First combo is incorrectly used. I'll explain in my last class, my lunch period is up

I knew it .-.

 

[Kamishiro]

Oh, btw I forgot to ask something. What would happen if I place two illusions that are equals in rank? D:

Cannon combo

Lame combo, but meh xd

I, myself and me casts an illusion on my opponent, causing him to see me disappears out of sudden without any warning meanwhile severa bean vines emerges from below him, once they are formed they advance to grab the opponent from several unusual spots, binding him completlely and lifting him into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal me, causing the opponent in realty to be binded within the illusion.

Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: Similar to Illusion Technique: Tree Binding Death, where the user first disappears, while the target sees several bean vines growing from the ground. These vines bind the target body, lifting them into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal the user, ready to strike. In reality, the opponent is immobilized by the illusion, allowing the user to strike.

Meanwhile the user is binded within the illusion I cast another illusion on the opponent causing him to see a huge fireball descending form the sky below, melting his skin upon impact meanwhile he think he is binded within his place and I am about to strike him.

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

Custom Combo I don't really have good Genjutsu customs, and I rarely use cusoms anyway lol and I don't have any other combo in mind <.>

 

[Reborn]

Cannon combo:

I begin my assault by stringing five hand seals and putting you into an illusion in which I dissolve into mist. You would feel completely immobilized thinking I had forced a tree to erupt and bind you. I would then appear from the tree in the illusion aiming to attack you but in reality I'm still where I was when I cast the illusion continuing my assault and moving to mid range. I then continue my illusionary assault by putting you into another genjutsu where I manipulate the terrain short range around you, so that it seems it's the same. I change the terrain in a circular radius around you so that everything in short range seems the same. Beyond short range, you would not see anything, meaning I hid myself so even if you break out of the first genjutsu, the second one would still be in effect, hiding my presence from you.

Spoiler

( Magen: Jubaku Satsu ) - Demonic Illusion: Tree Binding Death
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, and appears to dissolve into a mist. Once they stealthily approach the target and get within short-range, the opponent feels completely immobilized, and believes they have been bound by a fast-growing tree and are unable to move. The user then appears as if they emerge from the tree to attack the target. In reality, the target is immobilized, allowing the user to strike or interrogate them.

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

Custom combo:

I place you into a genjutsu where you are chained to a nearby tree as a bird starts flying down towards you. I then layer this illusion putting you into a genjutsu where the bird turns into a fireball which races towards you incinerating you upon contact.

Spoiler

Name: (Genjutsu: Prometheus Kashaku)Illusion Technique: Prometheus Bane
Rank:B
Type:Offensive/Defensive
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra:25
Damage:40
Description:The user preforms the usual procedure to put his opponent in a horrifying genjutsu.The opponent will unknowingly find themselves chained to a tree or rock.Suddenly a shadow will fall over them as an eagle soars down and start chopping the liver of the victim.After the opponents belly is hollow their belly will heal and the bird will start feasting upon them again.The pain inflicted by the bird will not put them out of the genjutsu though.The user than has an opportunity to attack his opponent while the bird distracts them.
Note:Can only be taught by -Cobalt-.
Note:Can only be used twice.

( Genjutsu: Jigoku Gouka ) - Illusion Technique: Hell Fire
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

I knew it .-.

First issue, when you say you appear from the tree that implies that you moved towards your opponent and are attacking him. When Kurenai used this technique on Itachi, she appeared from the tree, but that was her actual being. The appearing out of the tree is you attacking your opponent from a different angle. You can opt to do what you suggested and move into a more distant range, however your opponent will not see you emerge from the tree.

Second, you use of the second technique is completely wrong. You cannot prevent your opponent from seeing something. This technique is commonly misused in the context. You manipulate how the area looks, not completely make invisible an entity. You can camoflauge real things but not to in such a way to make them appear as invisible. Take a tree for example, you cannot make the tree invisible but you can change it to look like something else like a bush. So with this technique you cannot hide yourself, not in the way you did. Also with this jutsu, you do not have the ability to hide yourself or change how your own appearance. This specifically affects terrain.

Third, as stated in the above description quoted by Scorps, when you layer a genjutsu on top of one another, if you're opponent is under both techniques at the time he chooses to break/attempt to break out of your illusions, if successfull he would break through both illusions. So, by you doing the Tree Binding Death and then the manipulation of the terrain, you place your opponent under both and he can break free of both illusions if he has the means to. That is one of the weaknesses of this dual casting, One release for Two genjutsu >_>

Fourth, when you cast two techniques the affects of both techniques occur during the same frame of time.
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Second combo is descent.

Oh, btw I forgot to ask something. What would happen if I place two illusions that are equals in rank? D:

Cannon combo

Lame combo, but meh xd

I, myself and me casts an illusion on my opponent, causing him to see me disappears out of sudden without any warning meanwhile severa bean vines emerges from below him, once they are formed they advance to grab the opponent from several unusual spots, binding him completlely and lifting him into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal me, causing the opponent in realty to be binded within the illusion.

Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: Similar to Illusion Technique: Tree Binding Death, where the user first disappears, while the target sees several bean vines growing from the ground. These vines bind the target body, lifting them into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal the user, ready to strike. In reality, the opponent is immobilized by the illusion, allowing the user to strike.

Meanwhile the user is binded within the illusion I cast another illusion on the opponent causing him to see a huge fireball descending form the sky below, melting his skin upon impact meanwhile he think he is binded within his place and I am about to strike him.

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

Custom Combo I don't really have good Genjutsu customs, and I rarely use cusoms anyway lol and I don't have any other combo in mind <.>

Answer: If you cast two genjutsu of equal rank, so long as they can be layered, you just cast two genjutsu of equal rank. You can do that but it doesn't add any rank

And your combo seems descent.
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Question: What do you believe is the purpose of dual layering genjutsu?

 

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First issue, when you say you appear from the tree that implies that you moved towards your opponent and are attacking him. When Kurenai used this technique on Itachi, she appeared from the tree, but that was her actual being. The appearing out of the tree is you attacking your opponent from a different angle. You can opt to do what you suggested and move into a more distant range, however your opponent will not see you emerge from the tree.

Second, you use of the second technique is completely wrong. You cannot prevent your opponent from seeing something. This technique is commonly misused in the context. You manipulate how the area looks, not completely make invisible an entity. You can camoflauge real things but not to in such a way to make them appear as invisible. Take a tree for example, you cannot make the tree invisible but you can change it to look like something else like a bush. So with this technique you cannot hide yourself, not in the way you did. Also with this jutsu, you do not have the ability to hide yourself or change how your own appearance. This specifically affects terrain.

Third, as stated in the above description quoted by Scorps, when you layer a genjutsu on top of one another, if you're opponent is under both techniques at the time he chooses to break/attempt to break out of your illusions, if successfull he would break through both illusions. So, by you doing the Tree Binding Death and then the manipulation of the terrain, you place your opponent under both and he can break free of both illusions if he has the means to. That is one of the weaknesses of this dual casting, One release for Two genjutsu >_>

Fourth, when you cast two techniques the affects of both techniques occur during the same frame of time.
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Second combo is descent.



Answer: If you cast two genjutsu of equal rank, so long as they can be layered, you just cast two genjutsu of equal rank. You can do that but it doesn't add any rank

And your combo seems descent.
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Question: What do you believe is the purpose of dual layering genjutsu?

The purpose of it could be many. Either to cover up a illusion with another illusion, in order to make them more succesful, to delay the opponents actions or to confuse him.