obito>madara

[DeadManWonderLand]

AHha loved your words. I even told the dude I do geology A, which is true, and covered meteorites this year, he keeps saying bullsh*t. Also thinks that the science that studies meteorites is meteorology (atmosphere study)

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Yes keep avoiding the topic by switching it and acting as if i already did not tell you the reasoning for mentioning meteorology.
That giff is quite funny but no matter how many times you post it or try to change the subject it wont change the truth.What university do you go to ?
Is it the university of DURR ?

 

[Elio]

Allow me to explain how Obito beats Madara...the correct way.

25 Mokuton clones- these clones can swarm Obito's Jins and suppress them with Mokuton. We all saw how useless Bee was when he was bound with Mokuton, and only freed himself due to Hirudora knocking Madara away. Then Human Path can take their souls or Madara can smash the chakra receivers with Mokuton.

Flower Tree World-When Madara uses this, Obito has no way to evade the pollen or destroy it.

-If he uses Kamui intangibility to evade it, his intangibility will run out and then he will be put to sleep and killed.
-His Jins are gone so he lacks the firepower to destroy them.
-He cant surprise warp Madara as he can make clones and mix with them so Obito can't find him.
-If he goes to his dimension and stays there he loses due to ring out.

That is how Madara beats Obito.



The best thing to do is ignore retards like that guy. They're always so quick to jump to insults so you either gotta ignore them or give them a piece of their own medicine.

Oooh! Flower Tree World! Thank you.

 

[King-Panda]

Allow me to explain how Obito beats Madara...the correct way.

25 Mokuton clones- these clones can swarm Obito's Jins and suppress them with Mokuton. We all saw how useless Bee was when he was bound with Mokuton, and only freed himself due to Hirudora knocking Madara away. Then Human Path can take their souls or Madara can smash the chakra receivers with Mokuton.

Flower Tree World-When Madara uses this, Obito has no way to evade the pollen or destroy it.

-If he uses Kamui intangibility to evade it, his intangibility will run out and then he will be put to sleep and killed.
-His Jins are gone so he lacks the firepower to destroy them.
-He cant surprise warp Madara as he can make clones and mix with them so Obito can't find him.
-If he goes to his dimension and stays there he loses due to ring out.

That is how Madara beats Obito.



The best thing to do is ignore retards like that guy. They're always so quick to jump to insults so you either gotta ignore them or give them a piece of their own medicine.

Is funny that he insults a lot then say he doesn't lol.. anyway
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I think you're the first giving a good explanation in how Madara could beat Obito. But I disagree. Obito got senju dna too right? Not sure about this, but seen people saying this, and that's why he doesn't go blind. Also, he got the rinnegan too, so he woulnd't just watch Madara attacking. Jutsus like shinra tensei could destroy the clones, also can absorb chakra from those clones... Rinnegan is powerful

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

All you've done is state that it will cause an explosion that will last for 5 minutes consecutively, your word is not proof, your word by itself is worth as much as a piece of garbage.

Yes to sum it up that is what i said although you leave out the parts where i delve into specifics but hey if you want to selectively choose what you quote i can't stop you.

 

[King-Panda]

If you really do take those classes you sleeping through them and i tell you single individual atoms aren't the only thing that are part of a cause and reaction chain because they aren't.

I don't need to repeat my answer to each one individually for my answer to be correct scan the pages i recently responded to
""obito can stay in the other dimension""

SPOLIER alert he can't.

I'm sorry, but he actually can lol.

And I am not running away from the topic, you have only used two arguments, first you mentioned what Obito said and then the meteor thing. I am not running away from the topic, and I think only one person as given me the answer how madara could beat obito, but replied to it already. You are like, you live on earth, see the son moving, immediately concludes the sun orbits around the earth

 

[KidGamer65]

Is funny that he insults a lot then say he doesn't lol.. anyway
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I think you're the first giving a good explanation in how Madara could beat Obito. But I disagree. Obito got senju dna too right? Not sure about this, but seen people saying this, and that's why he doesn't go blind. Also, he got the rinnegan too, so he woulnd't just watch Madara attacking. Jutsus like shinra tensei could destroy the clones, also can absorb chakra from those clones... Rinnegan is powerful

Absorbing chakra from the clones is pointless as Madara can make more. Shinra Tensei can't destroy a Mokuton clone, they have normal Human Body leveled endurance. Besides there are 25 clones along with the real Madara, Obito will have his own problem to worry about.

I also forgot about Izanagi, it won't help much when he can't destroy the Flower World..

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Is funny that he insults a lot then say he doesn't lol.. anyway
No i said i don't call stupid people stupid and the best way to stop idiots is to beat them silly with facts not by switching the topic and placing the same gif over and over again but i guess every univertsit
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I think you're the first giving a good explanation in how Madara could beat Obito. But I disagree. Obito got senju dna too right? Not sure about this, but seen people saying this, and that's why he doesn't go blind. Also, he got the rinnegan too, so he woulnd't just watch Madara attacking. Jutsus like shinra tensei could destroy the clones, also can absorb chakra from those clones... Rinnegan is powerful

I said i only call idiots idiots.
I can see how an idiot like you can be confused

The best way to stop a rambling idiot is to beat him silly with facts
not to switch the topic and repeatedly use the same gif (or any gig - don't get any ideas)
But hey every universities curriculum is different i suppose

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I'm sorry, but he actually can lol.

And I am not running away from the topic, you have only used two arguments, first you mentioned what Obito said and then the meteor thing. I am not running away from the topic, and I think only one person as given me the answer how madara could beat obito, but replied to it already. You are like, you live on earth, see the son moving, immediately concludes the sun orbits around the earth

You never cease to not stay on topic
Not once have you ever indefinitely proven me wrong with actual facts you know the usual way people counteract others when they want to prove their point is correct.

Is it because you can't that you resort to posting stuff like this ?

That last line was rhetorical feel no need to counteract that and just resume your usual nonesense about how i call you stupid and use more horrible analogies.

 

[King-Panda]

Absorbing chakra from the clones is pointless as Madara can make more. Shinra Tensei can't destroy a Mokuton clone, they have normal Human Body leveled endurance. Besides there are 25 clones along with the real Madara, Obito will have his own problem to worry about.

I also forgot about Izanagi, it won't help much when he can't destroy the Flower World..

Kakashi used to use the MS to send small pieces/objects to another dimension. Obito could do that too. Simply send pieces of the mokuton or even try to attack madara with the Kamui (as kakashi used against deidara). It wouldn't be clever to send them just to the other dimension, as they could attack him from there, so just parts of the body

I said i only call idiots idiots.
I can see how an idiot like you can be confused

The best way to stop a rambling idiot is to beat him silly with facts
not to switch the topic and repeatedly use the same gif (or any gig - don't get any ideas)
But hey every universities curriculum is different i suppose

I think I'll take the other dude advice, people like you should be just ignored. Just wasting ATP typing to reply you

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Kakashi used to use the MS to send small pieces/objects to another dimension. Obito could do that too. Simply send pieces of the mokuton or even try to attack madara with the Kamui (as kakashi used against deidara). It wouldn't be clever to send them just to the other dimension, as they could attack him from there, so just parts of the body


I think I'll take the other dude advice, people like you should be just ignored. Just wasting ATP typing to reply you

Are you finally realizing horrible analogies don't make you correct ? lol
If so congratulations your on your way to becoming less stupider then you are now.
It will be a long (very,very) long road but one day you can hope to aspire to be sub par or possibly even mediocre.
Good day to you

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi used to use the MS to send small pieces/objects to another dimension. Obito could do that too. Simply send pieces of the mokuton or even try to attack madara with the Kamui (as kakashi used against deidara). It wouldn't be clever to send them just to the other dimension, as they could attack him from there, so just parts of the body

The Mokuton is all connected together and his Kamui can't split things of like Kakashi's can, so Obito can warp the forest away nor can he attack him with the long range Kamui because only the eye he gave to Kakashi has that, not his eye.

 

[King-Panda]

The Mokuton is all connected together and his Kamui can't split things of like Kakashi's can, so Obito can warp the forest away nor can he attack him with the long range Kamui because only the eye he gave to Kakashi has that, not his eye.

I disagree. The eyes are the same, doesn't make sense that kakashi would have different abilities than Obito... Although obito could control it much better and much faster. He probably hasn't use the way kakashi did because didn't feel need to

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree. The eyes are the same, doesn't make sense that kakashi would have different abilities than Obito... Although obito could control it much better and much faster. He probably hasn't use the way kakashi did because didn't feel need to

You can't disagree, the eyes aren't the same and Kakashi has clearly shown different abilities than Obito. Manga fact.

MS eyes always differ from each other.

-Obito's is close range and he can go intangible.
-Kakashi's is long range and he can't go intangible.

They can both enter and exit the Kamui dimension though.

 

[King-Panda]

You can't disagree, the eyes aren't the same and Kakashi has clearly shown different abilities than Obito. Manga fact.

MS eyes always differ from each other.

-Obito's is close range and he can go intangible.
-Kakashi's is long range and he can't go intangible.

They can both enter and exit the Kamui dimension though.

yea, they have been using it in diffeent ways, but well I'm not 100% sure to argue about this. Anyway, Obito sends them all to the other dimension. And shinra tensei there (how does it not work in the clones?) But well this sounds too easy, If he could touch them and send all to a dimension, then send them back to the initial dimension but different locations. He has the rinnegAN, he can use rinnegan jutsus too, like nagato

 

[KidGamer65]

yea, they have been using it in diffeent ways, but well I'm not 100% sure to argue about this. Anyway, Obito sends them all to the other dimension. And shinra tensei there (how does it not work in the clones?) But well this sounds too easy, If he could touch them and send all to a dimension, then send them back to the initial dimension but different locations. He has the rinnegAN, he can use rinnegan jutsus too, like nagato

He can't warp a whole forest using Kamui first of all and when he shoots stuff out of the dimension, it can only be where he currently is.

Shinra Tensei won't destroy the forest nor will it 1 shot Madara's Mokuton Clones.

No Rinnegan jutsu Obito can use will hurt Madara anyway and he still has to worry about the Flower World.

 

[SilverSlick]

Allow me to explain how Madara beats Obito...the correct way.

25 Mokuton clones- these clones can swarm Obito's Jins and suppress them with Mokuton. We all saw how useless Bee was when he was bound with Mokuton, and only freed himself due to Hirudora knocking Madara away. Then Human Path can take their souls or Madara can smash the chakra receivers with Mokuton.

Flower Tree World-When Madara uses this, Obito has no way to evade the pollen or destroy it.

-If he uses Kamui intangibility to evade it, his intangibility will run out and then he will be put to sleep and killed.
-His Jins are gone so he lacks the firepower to destroy them.
-He cant surprise warp Madara as he can make clones and mix with them so Obito can't find him.
-If he goes to his dimension and stays there he loses due to ring out.

If somehow Obito manages to find the real Madara by a lucky guess then he can use a small Shinra Tensei to blast him away before he gets sucked in, as Obito needs to become solid to warp others and himself.

That is how Madara beats Obito.



The best thing to do is ignore retards like that guy. They're always so quick to jump to insults so you either gotta ignore them or give them a piece of their own medicine.

Ok here goes.

I'm not trying to say your wrong about the clones, but I do not believe the clones have the abilities to use Mokuton itself. They are made from Mokuton so they could possibly suppress chakra, but I do not believe all of those clones could affect the 6 Jins. Mainly because it will probably not be able to suppress them quick enough. In my opinion, the 6 jins could make easy work of them. Also, I believe staying in their regular bodies instead of their Bijuu form to possibly counteract the suppression. Also, Fu could possibly blind them(

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) to allow an escape for her allies or they could destroy them in this time period.

I believe Obito has two ways to avoid the Flower World technique.

1. He can use Shinra Tensei to destroy the trees, effectively cutting off its way to produce

2. He can use his ability of flight to go up in the air to avoid it

3. He can ride Fu and escape it.

The Jins will probably not be affected because they're already dead. So if Obito were to fall asleep, one of the Jins could wake him up wake him up. All of this depends how the Jins can handle the clones. We couldn't really tell how powerful they were. I'm banking on them being weak enough for the jins to one shot them.

So have three Jins to handle the clones. Yugito, Fu, and Roshi. Yugito and Han for their taijutsu and area of effect techs and Fu to blind them with the light technique.

Yagura and Roshi should stay with Obito. Yagura for his mirror tech and Roshi his damaging attacks. I believe these two could catch the real Madara off guard for Obito to Kamui him.

Its been referenced that Obito only needs one touch to end Madara[

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Personally, after doing research, I've concluded that the result would be inconclusive. Too many factors in a fight

Also note during the fight the Jins should be in their regular form.

 

[King-Panda]

He can't warp a whole forest using Kamui first of all and when he shoots stuff out of the dimension, it can only be where he currently is.

Shinra Tensei won't destroy the forest nor will it 1 shot Madara's Mokuton Clones.

No Rinnegan jutsu Obito can use will hurt Madara anyway and he still has to worry about the Flower World.

Hasn't Obito the senju dna too?

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok here goes.

I'm not trying to say your wrong about the clones, but I do not believe the clones have the abilities to use Mokuton itself. They are made from Mokuton so they could possibly suppress chakra, but I do not believe all of those clones could affect the 6 Jins. Mainly because it will probably not be able to suppress them quick enough. In my opinion, the 6 jins could make easy work of them. Also, I believe staying in their regular bodies instead of their Bijuu form to possibly counteract the suppression. Also, Fu could possibly blind them(

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The clones should be able to use Mokuton as that is what they are made of, Yamato's Mokuton Clones can use Mokuton and his Mokuton is weaker than Madara's. Bee was bound by Mokuton and he was

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the grip loosened due to Madara getting blasted away with Hirudora. So no they can't beat them in while using Bijuu powers. If they stay in Base then Madara's clones can use Susanoo which will also wreck them. Fu could blind some of them but no all of them, and even if they are blinded, None of them can get through Susanoo w/o using the Bijuu's power, and if they do that, Mokuton will suppress them so Madara can rip their souls with Human Path.

I believe Obito has two ways to avoid the Flower World technique.

1. He can use Shinra Tensei to destroy the trees, effectively cutting off its way to produce

2. He can use his ability of flight to go up in the air to avoid it

3. He can ride Fu and escape it.

1. His Shinra Tensei isn't powerful enough to destroy the whole forest.

2. This is feasible, but if he stays up there, how will he beat Madara when he has no long range jutsu capable of finishing him off?

3. The Jins will be suppressed right off the bat and their chakra rods will be destroyed so this can't happen.

The Jins will probably not be affected because they're already dead. So if Obito were to fall asleep, one of the Jins could wake him up wake him up. All of this depends how the Jins can handle the clones. We couldn't really tell how powerful they were. I'm banking on them being weak enough for the jins to one shot them.

So have three Jins to handle the clones. Yugito, Fu, and Roshi. Yugito and Han for their taijutsu and area of effect techs and Fu to blind them with the light technique.

Yagura and Roshi should stay with Obito. Yagura for his mirror tech and Roshi his damaging attacks. I believe these two could catch the real Madara off guard for Obito to Kamui him.

Its been referenced that Obito only needs one touch to end Madara[

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Personally, after doing research, I've concluded that the result would be inconclusive. Too many factors in a fight

Also note during the fight the Jins should be in their regular form.

Like I noted above, if they go Bijuu they get suppressed, if they stay in Base, they get fodderized by Susanoo clones. Obito won't be able to tell which one is the real Madara when he can blend in with his clones, and if he manages to get him a simple Shinra Tensei will blow him backwards.

The Edo Jins are non factors here, Mokuton gets them if they go Full Bijuu or use V2 while Susanoo clones get them if they stay in Base. And I don't see why the Jins wouldn't get affected by the Flower Tree World.

Hasn't Obito the senju dna too?

Yeah.

 

[King-Panda]

The clones should be able to use Mokuton as that is what they are made of, Yamato's Mokuton Clones can use Mokuton and his Mokuton is weaker than Madara's. Bee was bound by Mokuton and he was

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the grip loosened due to Madara getting blasted away with Hirudora. So no they can't beat them in while using Bijuu powers. If they stay in Base then Madara's clones can use Susanoo which will also wreck them. Fu could blind some of them but no all of them, and even if they are blinded, None of them can get through Susanoo w/o using the Bijuu's power, and if they do that, Mokuton will suppress them so Madara can rip their souls with Human Path.




1. His Shinra Tensei isn't powerful enough to destroy the whole forest.

2. This is feasible, but if he stays up there, how will he beat Madara when he has no long range jutsu capable of finishing him off?

3. The Jins will be suppressed right off the bat and their chakra rods will be destroyed so this can't happen.



Like I noted above, if they go Bijuu they get suppressed, if they stay in Base, they get fodderized by Susanoo clones. Obito won't be able to tell which one is the real Madara when he can blend in with his clones, and if he manages to get him a simple Shinra Tensei will blow him backwards.

The Edo Jins are non factors here, Mokuton gets them if they go Full Bijuu or use V2 while Susanoo clones get them if they stay in Base. And I don't see why the Jins wouldn't get affected by the Flower Tree World.



Yeah.

I may agree with some things you said, but how couldn't the shinra tensei destroy the clones? How do we know if it's not strong?? And if he has senju dnas, can't he make clones too?? Not sure about this, as I never seen him using hand seals. But he is still strong, because after kabuto showed him the edo army, he still confronted him, just stepped back when he showed him madara, which tell us, we haven't seen much of his abilities yet, as he wouldn't be a fool to confront kabuto and an edo army without being sure he'd win

 

[KidGamer65]

I may agree with some things you said, but how couldn't the shinra tensei destroy the clones? How do we know if it's not strong?? And if he has senju dnas, can't he make clones too?? Not sure about this, as I never seen him using hand seals. But he is still strong, because after kabuto showed him the edo army, he still confronted him, just stepped back when he showed him madara, which tell us, we haven't seen much of his abilities yet, as he wouldn't be a fool to confront kabuto and an edo army without being sure he'd win

Many characters have survived Shinra Tensei multiple times, Obito has Senju DNA but he doesn't know Hashirama's jutsu like Madara does. He has Kamui. he can slip through the Edos that Kabuto summoned and go straight for him.