Establishing Why K11 > Tsunade

[KidGamer65]

That's just your opinion. Taz and me countered all your points.
And I'm still waiting the answer: What can they do if she makes some clones? 5 EMS Sasunoo clones was enough to overwhelm 1 Kage. 5 Kage level Tsunade clones would be enough to overwhelm 11 chuunin- low jounin level opponents.

Giving Tsunade abilities that there is not even a little bit of indication of her having? That just proves you ran out of any legit ways on how Tsunade wins.

K11 wins.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Giving Tsunade abilities that there is not even a little bit of indication of her having? That just proves you ran out of any legit ways on how Tsunade wins.

K11 wins.

Gennin Sakura was able to make clones.
In the academy every ninja can make clones.
Tsunade is a Sannin and a Hokage. She can make clones too.

And SPT already explained this thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gennin Sakura was able to make clones.
In the academy every ninja can make clones.
Tsunade is a Sannin and a Hokage. She can make clones too.

And SPT already explained this thing.

Sakura made clones not Shadow Clones.

Academy students learn the Clone Jutsu. Not the Shadow Clone jutsu.

Tsunade can't use Shadow Clones as there is nothing in the manga that even implies she can use Shadow Clones.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Sakura made clones not Shadow Clones.

Academy students learn the Clone Jutsu. Not the Shadow Clone jutsu.

Tsunade can't use Shadow Clones as there is nothing in the manga that even implies she can use Shadow Clones.

I've probably had to say this about a hundred times, yet they never listen....

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade can't make shadow clones? Bitch please. Every high level jounin can make either shadow clones or elemental clones.
And part1 fodder gennin Naruto can make shadow clones too.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Tsunade can't make shadow clones? Bitch please. Every high level jounin can make either shadow clones or elemental clones.
And part1 fodder gennin Naruto can make shadow clones too.

In the Leaf Village only 3 People have been shown to be able to do Kage Bunshin.

Naruto (Learned it from the sacred Scroll), Kakashi (from god knows where), Hiruzen (Learned it before it was forbidden)

 

[KidGamer65]

Tsunade can't make shadow clones? Bitch please. Every high level jounin can make either shadow clones or elemental clones.
And part1 fodder gennin Naruto can make shadow clones too.

Ok? I don't care about who else can use it. Once you show me evidence that so much as implies she can use Shadow Clones, then you will be taken seriously. This is just you trying to give her new abilities because the ones she has now don't give her enough power to beat the K11.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Ok? I don't care about who else can use it. Once you show me evidence that so much as implies she can use Shadow Clones, then you will be taken seriously. This is just you trying to give her new abilities because the ones she has now don't give her enough power to beat the K11.

Once ypu show me an evidence, where Shikamaru restrained her, where Choji killed Katsuya, where Tenten would be a challange to Tsunade, or where they defeated Tsunade, I'll accept she would loose.
Instead of giving them Kage and Slug killer abilities, you should accept they would loose.
Again: Saying 11 chuunin can defeat a Kage is RIDICULOUS.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

You're calling "Tsunade defeats everybody with punches and kicks" a proof ?

Come on now, I thought you can read.
Or you can, but you are lazy to read?

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

I have read so many Tazilla posts to know that he considers Tsuande an insurpassable Goddess who can punch everyone in the face.

This wasn't his counter. You should read it.
Btw, she punched her opponents. She punched Kabuto, Orochimaru and Madara too. When she had 5 targets ( Susanoo clones ) she managed to survive. And now, when 11 chuunin- low jounin opponent attacks her, she would loose? She oneshots more then half of them with a Heavenly Kick of Pain. Orochimaru and Kabuto BARELY dodget it. And most of the K11 is slower then them.
So basically after the first 5 seconds this isn't a K11 vs Tsunade. It will be a K5 or K6 vs Tsunade.

 

[Chatte]

She can't make Kage Bunshin. Thats the Point.

If you wanna give her Kage Bunshin then im Giving Choji Kage Bunshin, then he's gonna have a Cho Baika no Jutsu party.

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Plus all her counters were wrong. She tried to say she had fast seal speed when Zabuza can do 44 Seals in the same amount of time that Tsunade can do 2. Then she tried to twist it and say that's not what she was saying and that she can just do it fast enough, which is also blantantly false.

The only argument the Tsunade fan-girls have is Katsuya, and its not even a guarentee that she can use Kuchiyose in time. Even if Tsunade ends up summoning Katsuya then Choji's Chōdan Bakugeki can Kill Katsuya, but thats not even required. He just has to hold her off until the others kill Tsunade, which also, is not very hard for them.

Not going into other details as I don't have time for it, however...this? No... Until proven otherwise, Katsuyu can't be killed. Period.
When another animal summon besides the cerberus which shares similarities with Katsuyu, is proven to withstand at a small scale Chibaku Tensei and Naruto's corrosive chakra up to 9 tails, then we talk. Until then...sorry, but no.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I have read so many Tazilla posts to know that he considers Tsuande an insurpassable Goddess who can punch everyone in the face.

Counter argument. I don't. There have been several vs. Matches in which I've acknowledged her imminent defeat, this however is not one of those matches. Also you proof was Tazzilla will defend Tsunade therefore Tazzilla is going to be innately wrong, which is silly.
And btw a large part of my argument here was more Katsuyu not simply taijutsu, but you wouldn't know that unless you bothered to read.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

smh
ok to begin tsunade won't win. If anything naruto does(or did) is stress teamwork.
everyone in k11 knows each others abilities.(excluding sai) up against a team like this tsunade looses.
Frontliners
Neji: He will engage her in close combat if he lands any hits what so ever it will take away from her chakra based strength(not that its fully based on chakra) and stop chakra flow. This limits her mobility and stops her healing abilities, since all chakra flows on the chakra network stop the flow thus chakra cannot get to her cell's thus she cannot heal. If she gets hit by 8 trigrams 64 palms her chakra network gets shutdown and like I stated earlier she cannot heal.

Rock Lee:With weights removed he can engage her in close quarter combat(cqc), even if he doesn't land a hit it won't matter. his purpose is to keep her busy enough so neji can land hits. Them being on the same team makes it even worse for her cus like i said teamwork is everything. She can't dodge reverse lotus and even if she can tank it chances are at the least she'll be dazed. leaving her open for neji or kiba.

Kiba: Another front liner. his speed and fighting style will be trouble for tsunade due to its animal-like qualities. It was stated that tsunade dodges by looking at the patterns of her opponents attacks but can she do that simultaneously against the very different styles of gentle fist, strong fist, and the four legs technique?
On top of that fang wolf fang is a 1hitko that doesn't miss when urine is used as the tracer. Her body will be left in pieces regardless of her healing abilities.

Chouji: He can take care of her summon is she ever gets the chance to summon the slug. He can pick it up and throw it or just keep it busy(doubt she will be more of a challenge then the gedo mazo). If it doesn't get summoned due to the amount of pressure tsunade is already facing that's just another fighting style she will have to deal with. Butterfly bullet bombing will leave her in the same position as lee's reverse lotus and leave her open for fang wolf fang, or 64 palms.

Midrange

Hinata: She isn't a front liner but through air palm she can attack tsunade's vitals and knock her off her feet forcing her to manually heal herself if strength of 100 isn't active. Doing this continuously is just another problem tsunade has to worry about and if needed she can go to the front lines to fight due to her abilities in the gentle fist.(twin lion fists)

Shino: Shino's bugs will constantly disrupt and suck her chakra and due to part of her strength coming from chakra control anything that disrupts it will weaken it.

Shikamaru: the brains of the operation he knows the abilities of all his peers so formulating a plan shouldn't be hard. And his shadow techniques are hard to dodge considering the fact that it changes depending on time of day. Shadow imitation shuriken technique can bind her in place and leave her open for any of the attacks listed both above and below.

Tenten: her constant barrage of ninja tools and the use of banana fan will keep tsunade busy and on her toes.

Long Range
Sai: His Super Beast Imitating Drawing technique will be a nuisance to tsunade and if she slips up he can seal her in a scroll.On top of that his location will be out of her range of counter attack so he can spam all he wants without repercussion.

Healing

Sakura: Her purpose is solely based on healing.Any injury the team gets will be blunt force trauma or acid both of which are things she can handle, on top of that she will be handing out military rations pills to the team to keep them in there best shape possible.

Ino:She will be healing as well but her mind body switch will be necessary to help land the devastating blows on tsunade. So she will be in between jobs.Furthermore if anybody dies she can take control of their body and keep them fighting via Mind Clone Switch Technique.

In conclusion. With all the variables going against her is near damn impossible for her to win.

 

[fastrthnwind]

smh
ok to begin tsunade won't win. If anything naruto does(or did) is stress teamwork.
everyone in k11 knows each others abilities.(excluding sai) up against a team like this tsunade looses.
Frontliners
Neji: He will engage her in close combat if he lands any hits what so ever it will take away from her chakra based strength(not that its fully based on chakra) and stop chakra flow. This limits her mobility and stops her healing abilities, since all chakra flows on the chakra network stop the flow thus chakra cannot get to her cell's thus she cannot heal. If she gets hit by 8 trigrams 64 palms her chakra network gets shutdown and like I stated earlier she cannot heal.

Rock Lee:With weights removed he can engage her in close quarter combat(cqc), even if he doesn't land a hit it won't matter. his purpose is to keep her busy enough so neji can land hits. Them being on the same team makes it even worse for her cus like i said teamwork is everything. She can't dodge reverse lotus and even if she can tank it chances are at the least she'll be dazed. leaving her open for neji or kiba.

Kiba: Another front liner. his speed and fighting style will be trouble for tsunade due to its animal-like qualities. It was stated that tsunade dodges by looking at the patterns of her opponents attacks but can she do that simultaneously against the very different styles of gentle fist, strong fist, and the four legs technique?
On top of that fang wolf fang is a 1hitko that doesn't miss when urine is used as the tracer. Her body will be left in pieces regardless of her healing abilities.

Chouji: He can take care of her summon is she ever gets the chance to summon the slug. He can pick it up and throw it or just keep it busy(doubt she will be more of a challenge then the gedo mazo). If it doesn't get summoned due to the amount of pressure tsunade is already facing that's just another fighting style she will have to deal with. Butterfly bullet bombing will leave her in the same position as lee's reverse lotus and leave her open for fang wolf fang, or 64 palms.

Midrange

Hinata: She isn't a front liner but through air palm she can attack tsunade's vitals and knock her off her feet forcing her to manually heal herself if strength of 100 isn't active. Doing this continuously is just another problem tsunade has to worry about and if needed she can go to the front lines to fight due to her abilities in the gentle fist.(twin lion fists)

Shino: Shino's bugs will constantly disrupt and suck her chakra and due to part of her strength coming from chakra control anything that disrupts it will weaken it.

Shikamaru: the brains of the operation he knows the abilities of all his peers so formulating a plan shouldn't be hard. And his shadow techniques are hard to dodge considering the fact that it changes depending on time of day. Shadow imitation shuriken technique can bind her in place and leave her open for any of the attacks listed both above and below.

Tenten: her constant barrage of ninja tools and the use of banana fan will keep tsunade busy and on her toes.

Long Range
Sai: His Super Beast Imitating Drawing technique will be a nuisance to tsunade and if she slips up he can seal her in a scroll.On top of that his location will be out of her range of counter attack so he can spam all he wants without repercussion.

Healing

Sakura: Her purpose is solely based on healing.Any injury the team gets will be blunt force trauma or acid both of which are things she can handle, on top of that she will be handing out military rations pills to the team to keep them in there best shape possible.

Ino:She will be healing as well but her mind body switch will be necessary to help land the devastating blows on tsunade. So she will be in between jobs.Furthermore if anybody dies she can take control of their body and keep them fighting via Mind Clone Switch Technique.

In conclusion. With all the variables going against her is near damn impossible for her to win.

This was beautifully said.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This was beautifully said.

do i hear plus rep?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Not going into other details as I don't have time for it, however...this? No... Until proven otherwise, Katsuyu can't be killed. Period.
When another animal summon besides the cerberus which shares similarities with Katsuyu, is proven to withstand at a small scale Chibaku Tensei and Naruto's corrosive chakra up to 9 tails, then we talk. Until then...sorry, but no.

She hasn't tanked Chibaku Tensei. Naruto's Chakra did that. She didn't tanke Manda's constriction because she split. The only thing she has tanked is the corrosive chakra and part of Chou Shinra Tensei that already started slowing down.

Plently of things can kill Katsuya

This wasn't his counter. You should read it.
Btw, she punched her opponents. She punched Kabuto, Orochimaru and Madara too. When she had 5 targets ( Susanoo clones ) she managed to survive. And now, when 11 chuunin- low jounin opponent attacks her, she would loose? She oneshots more then half of them with a Heavenly Kick of Pain. Orochimaru and Kabuto BARELY dodget it. And most of the K11 is slower then them.
So basically after the first 5 seconds this isn't a K11 vs Tsunade. It will be a K5 or K6 vs Tsunade.

She survived because of Byakugo and it showed her impaled multiple times. Meaning she couldn't dodge 5 slow moving Susano'O MokuBunshin.

False. Neji, Kiba, and Lee are all far faster than her. Sai can blitz her to the point of not being able to react. If she uses Heavenly Kick of Pain, Then Sai uses his bird blitz that I put in the OP and she gets annihalated by a barrage of attacks.

She also doesn't have the ability to come back to life. Meaning if her head comes off, its over. Jyuuken attacks to the heart and the brain will suffice as well.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Well it should be obvious. BM Choji alone could be a threat. Adding Gated lee wont make things easy for tsunade. With a shadow binding user and shintenshin no jutsu user faster than even BM Naruto, tsunade is screwed. Adding others like Sai with his sealing techniques, Neji which fighting style should be Tsunade's worse nightmare, Shino's bugs to absorb chakra and others even seems unneccessary

They wern't faster than BM Naruto. Naruto was just noting that they were able to take care of it before he noticed it. (There is a huge as demon attacking everyone, not surprising he would be focused on something else.)

*Edit- They dont have the Kyuubi's chakra in this thread....

 

[KidGamer65]

Once ypu show me an evidence, where Shikamaru restrained her, where Choji killed Katsuya, where Tenten would be a challange to Tsunade, or where they defeated Tsunade, I'll accept she would loose.
Instead of giving them Kage and Slug killer abilities, you should accept they would loose.
Again: Saying 11 chuunin can defeat a Kage is RIDICULOUS.

Yet you haven't countered the points brought to you by anyone who supports the K11. Like I said, stop giving abilities to Tsunade, its pretty petty.

 

[Fanta]

Pretty much. Their teamwork and numbers take her down.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

The Underlings win this