[Predictions] Yin-yang manipulation theory

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Yin-Yang chakra manipulation is the ability of a ninja to use specific characteristics of an element in their jutsu.
Yin is chakra that is in movement and yang is chakra that is at rest.
The idea is that the nin physically recomposes their chakra into the affinity they desire, then into that reserve of recomposed chakra they either add still chakra or they force more of their chakra through the reserve.
In terms of an example imagine, a wind tunnel on the top of the tunnel is a long slit and from that slit iron shavings are poured in.
In this case the wind tunnel is the recomposed chakra reserve of wind element and the iron shavings are more chakra being added to the reserve.
If the iron shavings are added slowly enough they get caught in the current of the wind being swept to the back of the tunnel.
However if forced through the slit fast enough they will form a wall that the wind will not pass through insulating the back of the tunnel from the wind.
Using this simple technique allows each of the elements to create interesting and diverse effects.


Pain is the embodiment of this effect because not only does each pain represent a chakra manipulation but also both the yin and yang of that recomposition.
During the Jiraiya Pain fight Jiraiya claimed Pain had "possessed all six different elemental chakra" (375.11).
However another translation of this page says he would "master the use of all six types of chakra nature manipulation."
The variations in translations leads me to believe they are both wrong.
What Jiraiya had been trying to say was that Pain had mastered all six basic types of chakra manipulation.
This meant that pain mastered the five elemental manipulations and spacial manipulation which I believe are the six base manipulations further reinforced by Kakashi who explained these things during Narutos training (314.11)(315.13).
Deva realm uses two abilities attraction and repulsion which the only elements that have these abilities would be Lightning and Wind.
Although Kakashi says there's no shock wave associated with the ability and if Wind was used there would have been, so Deva realm has a lightning affinity(421.13). Each pain is named after one of the realms of rebirth in buddhism these are Deva realm, Asura realm, Human realm, animal realm, Preta realm, and Naraka realm.
And they are ranked in that order from most enlightened to least enlightened which just like the five elements is a hierarchical relationship.
Asura are considered anti gods and Deva is considered a godlike state of being, so if god is lightning, then anti lightening would be wind.
Using this logic Human realm would be fire element but animal realm is the summoner or our spacial manipulation master so we skip her and Preta becomes water as Naraka becomes earth.


Knowing the elements of the realms and having a theory of how yin-yang manipulation worked I formulated a table to show the result of all the specific abilities created by this extra type of manipulation.

Manipulation-----Yin----------Yang

Lightening-------Attract------Repulse
Wind-------------Insulate----Conduct
Fire--------------Control------Eradicate
Water------------Diffuse------Suppress
Earth------------Composite---Reflect
Spacial----------Summon-----Seal

As you can see in the table earth yin creates a composite like effect where when added to a material it will increase the area of that material, this is how healing effects are created.
Naraka realm places his friends into the head and fills it with earth yin chakra filling in any missing pieces with his chakra and reforming them.
Yang earth chakra is a reflective effect that is why when Naraka grabs a victim they must lie to be killed by the jutsu, if they tell the truth there is nothing to reflect back on them and the jutsu ends.
Water yin chakra diffuses other chakra into it absorbing the effects, this is seen many times used by Preta realm.
Although he never uses the suppressive ability of water element that is possibly because he has no truly offencive ability and is weak to taijutsu making getting close to risky and absorbing chakra completely safe.
If he had known sage chakra was so dangerous before hand he may have simply suppressed Narutos sage chakra to avoid complications however he clearly states he did not realize that (435.06).
Fire yin chakra represents control because if you move a fuel through fire you can control where it will burn this is mainly associated with genjutsu however human realm also uses this to find everything he needs to know from inside Shizune's mind.
He then uses his Fire yang chakra to remove her life force and eradicate it ultimately killing her.
Asura realm isn't actually using wind element he just personifies it.
While based off an enemy from Jiraiya's past he is an actual puppet and uses no elements in his jutsu.
This is why in the beginning of the invasion he is on the distraction team and he only uses his explosives to draw a lot of attention more so than even the summons (419.01).
Pain even uses him as a body guard for Deva realm, he is simply an extra appendage to aid in his domination it's quite possible he is normally meant to cover Preta realm as he is weak to taijutsu.
Nagato is likely the actual wind element user, he is conducting his chakra through the air and into the receivers on the various realms as well as causing interference to insulate himself from having his exact location discovered.
Its possible Naruto could counter his insulation due to their sharing affinities and the sage chakra boosting his abilities.


So for cliff-notes:
1. Yin chakra is moving yang chakra is still
2. Pains bodies each represent an elemental recomposition and the summoning body represents spacial recomposition.
3. The table shows yin-yang manipulation effects on the basic chakra manipulations
4. I didn't actually use the buddha thing to get their affinities, my method was more complicated I happened upon this coincidence while trying to double check my ideas and it was a lot easier to explain.
 

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That was great work dude! And i think it can explain many things in the manga that were unclear till now! Correct me if i am wrong but u are bassicaly saying unlike other ninja jutsus pein uses only one side (yin or yang) of the element to make his, depending on the the circumstances? So according to your theory in

Naruto in the 6 tailed form manipulated the fire's yin (control) and that is how he managed to turn the force of shinra tensei to the user. Also Minato sealed only the yin chakra to Naruto and his explanation was in order to use it against Madara. Or else there would be no way for Madara to be deafeted.

So we can assume that after Naruto manages to control Kyubi's yin chakra he will also be able to control wind's yin and yang like pain does?
In conclusion he will have these:
Manipulation-----Yin----------Yang
Wind------------Insulate------Conduct
Fire-------------Control
Spacial----------Summon------Seal


Sorry for being somewhat off topic. Hope my post makes some sense and it's not completly uselless
 

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I'll give a larger post later buuuuuuuuuuuuut I want to point out something now, first. "Spatial" is not the 6th chakra manipulation. YIN&YANG are the 6th spatial manipulation. Here's the proof:

*seishitsu henka - nature alteration

*keitai henka - shape/form alteration

sei - 性
shitsu - 質
hen - 変
ka - 化

yin and yang - 陰と陽

you can clearly see it says yin and yang seishitsu henka.

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page 09, chapter 316

you can clearly see it says 6 seishitsu henka.

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page 11, chapter 375

so there are 6 total chakra natures, and yin and yang is a nature besides the 5 elemental chakra natures (fire, wind, lightning, earth, water).

and yin and yang chakra nature is the 6th chakra nature, but not an element.
 

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Thanks for all the responce especially chickmashine I was actually making a huge assumption there and I definantly cant read the japenese text.
Its not that big a deal to my idea though because this just means jiraiya could have been refering to the normal five AND yin-yang instead of spacial.
I still think spacial is what governs summoning and sealing but perhaps they dont take recomposition of the chakra into yin yang.
So yin-yang is a nature manipulation however it can only alter all the others and has no real manifestation for itself Which is why Kakashi refered to the other five as basic manipulations because yin-yang is advanced and requires one of the other five to work.
 

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Manipulation-----Yin----------Yang

Lightening-------Attract------Repulse
Wind-------------Insulate----Conduct
Fire--------------Control------Eradicate
Water------------Diffuse------Suppress
Earth------------Composite---Reflect
Spacial----------Summon-----Seal
First off, I liked your graph alot.

Second, I will apply your graph to the 3 main characters. And their main elemental affinities.

Sakura:
Earth Composite - she can gather chakra into a physical force, hold it in at the end of her first... And
Earth Reflect - She violently releases the pressurized chakra to make a powerful punch.
Fire Control - Her precision in medical jutsu.
Fire Eradicate - She is a genjutsu user. And seems to be able to dispel it easily.

Sasuke:
Fire Control - Well hes a fire user:
Fire Eradicate - Genjutsu
Lightning Attract and Repulse - Is just like that in alternating current. The electrons and protons shifting back and forth VERY RAPIDLY, hence the need for speed and precision... which is why he was able to easily learn Kakashi's technique being a fire affinity

Naruto: This gets interesting...
People have said that the Kyuubi is Fire, and that Naruto's mother was a Water user. Building on that I come up with this...

Fire & Water a battling each other inside Naruto, thus supressing the water in him.

Fire Ying VS Water Ying: The Kyuubi is trying to Control Naruto... while Naruto constantly diffuses the power and influence of the Kyuubi.

Fire Yang vs Water Yang: The Kyuubi is trying to eradicate the barrier and Naruto's ability to diffuse its power... and this is why the Kyuubi comes bursting out whenever Naruto loses control, or lacks the chakra to hold it back. The Water Yang is what will allow Naruto to Suppress the Kyuubi... knowing about the 4th being his father, he will learn about his mother... and her water jutsu, eventually letting him completely control the fox, instead of subconsciously...

Wind : This battle between Fire and Water leaves Wind to come out as the main element. I think Naruto would not have had this element as his MAIN affinity had it not been for the above fire vs water battle. Proof being the difficulty in mastering it... it took many clones and thus years of training to learn how to control it... Insulate meaning to isolate that chakra from the others inside himself. And conduct can refer to demeanor and maturity, as well as regulate and command control over...

I also believe that if Lee's ability to use the Gates... is a very small Wind elemental affinity. He might not know it... but being able to command control over the chakra flow, and to isolate which gates to open, instead of all at once... does seem to fit...

----- Basically... If each of these elements are able to manifest themselves differently inside each person.... this is how I see them applying to the above characters... I don't think there is a right and wrong answer... I just think it helps to get a clearer understanding of the internal battle Naruto faces... subconsciously. Anyone can add to this if they like...

Yahiko Water
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[OT]Sorry for not replying to your PM TylerVII but I need 10 posts to do so.[/OT]
In response to your post, the foxes chakra is never given an affinity, although I think in the beginning of the manga it says its mighty tails could crumble mountains and cause tsunamis.(001.01)
This makes me think perhaps, if not all, at least the Nine Tails Demon can control all elements.
However only the Yang chakra of the fox was sealed into Naruto(370.13) and so far we have seen him use a laser cannon (fire-yang:eradication), and a reflection technique(earth-yang:reflection), also if you look at it he has the ability to suppress Narutos chakra completely(water-yang:suppression).
Minato did say he put the fox into Naruto to fight Madara but I believe it is just to augment Narutos natural powers not give him new ones, I actually have another idea about Minatos true purpose but its beyond the scope of this thread maybe I'll make another sometime.
I never actually thought about Narutos situation when I was thinking about these abilities so you caught me off guard with your post and got me thinking so thank-you for that.
So leonmccash I actually never considered Sakura having Fire affinity I never remembered her using genjutsu although I had heard she was resilient to it, so I had bunched her resilience in with the reflection ability of earth.
My intention was for Fire-yin:control to be what is used in genjutsu not eradication not a big deal I figured I would clarify though.
Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai And I believe Kekkei Genkai allow a user with no knowledge of yin-yang manipulation to use abilities normally restricted to yin-yang mastery and that is another reason why they are so powerful.
So either Sasuke doesn't know how to utilize yin-yang or he doesnt choose to, he has never shown the use of repulse and attraction that I know of.
However there is a main character who definitely has lightning affinity other than Pain and has used a single attraction technique.
Kakashi with the help of his Mangekyo Sharingan can create a black-hole like effect in the area of his focus.
The eight gates requiring wind chakra would be crazy this never crossed my mind and if that was the case Naruto could master it, along with sage mode, and WTFPWN.
Although I am certainly not saying everything requires the use of physical chakra and I do think there are abilities that are possibly more complex involving life force or less complex only requiring precise or controlled chakra.
 

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[OT]Sorry for not replying to your PM TylerVII but I need 10 posts to do so.[/OT]

So leonmccash I actually never considered Sakura having Fire affinity I never remembered her using genjutsu although I had heard she was resilient to it, so I had bunched her resilience in with the reflection ability of earth.
My intention was for Fire-yin:control to be what is used in genjutsu not eradication not a big deal I figured I would clarify though.
Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai And I believe Kekkei Genkai allow a user with no knowledge of yin-yang manipulation to use abilities normally restricted to yin-yang mastery and that is another reason why they are so powerful.
So either Sasuke doesn't know how to utilize yin-yang or he doesnt choose to, he has never shown the use of repulse and attraction that I know of.
However there is a main character who definitely has lightning affinity other than Pain and has used a single attraction technique.
Kakashi with the help of his Mangekyo Sharingan can create a black-hole like effect in the area of his focus.
The eight gates requiring wind chakra would be crazy this never crossed my mind and if that was the case Naruto could master it, along with sage mode, and WTFPWN.
Although I am certainly not saying everything requires the use of physical chakra and I do think there are abilities that are possibly more complex involving life force or less complex only requiring precise or controlled chakra.
What do you think about what I said about Naruto?
 

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In this case the wind tunnel is the recomposed chakra reserve of wind element and the iron shavings are more chakra being added to the reserve.
If the iron shavings are added slowly enough they get caught in the current of the wind being swept to the back of the tunnel.
However if forced through the slit fast enough they will form a wall that the wind will not pass through insulating the back of the tunnel from the wind.

I'm not sure iron shavings can bond together fast enough to create a wall that would block an already blowing wind current.
I don't think separate iron shavings could bond fast enough to enter an already blowing wind current to form a wall and withstand the wind's force

And they are ranked in that order from most enlightened to least enlightened which just like the five elements is a hierarchical relationship.
I don't think there is a most enlightened to least enlightened element. one trumps the other and so they create a balance.

Lightening-------Attract------Repulse
IMO, lightning doesn't attract, it is attracted, there's a difference.
As you can see in the table earth yin creates a composite like effect where when added to a material it will increase the area of that material, this is how healing effects are created.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Healing works by adding mass to something? please clarify

Yang earth chakra is a reflective effect that is why when Naraka grabs a victim they must lie to be killed by the jutsu, if they tell the truth there is nothing to reflect back on them and the jutsu ends.
If you use composite as the yang of earth chakra, how do you come up with reflective as the property of earth's yin chakra. I see that you gave all these yins and yangs of each element opposition. IMO, reflective is not the opposite of composite. composite is to be composed of or to make a whole, so IMO I think a more appropriate opposite would be 'disintegrating' or 'void'. perhaps you could clarify your reasoning.

Water yin chakra diffuses other chakra into it absorbing the effects, this is seen many times used by Preta realm.
I don't think this statement is coming across to me the way you meant. Diffuse is like disperse. So how could dispersing enable absorption?

Fire yin chakra represents control because if you move a fuel through fire you can control where it will burn
what you're describing is harnessing. You could harness almost anything. If you form a tunnel, you could 'control' wind.


Nagato is likely the actual wind element user, he is conducting his chakra through the air and into the receivers on the various realms as well as causing interference to insulate himself from having his exact location discovered.
Possible, but I think the receivers are the conductors themselves.
 
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First of all I dont totally agree with your theory on Narutos internal conflict, however I do think he may develop the water element and use it to manage the foxes chakra.
I think he will learn to suppress the foxes killing intent and then diffuse its chakra with his own in a much more effective manner.

Wow i'm not going to quote you Chakra to save space but Ill answer each question in the order you asked to the best of my ability.

1.There's no bonding going on in my example the idea is the shavings are just densely packed together and pushed into the tunnel very fast the wind being less dense and moving slower cant pass them.

2.You took this to literally or I over simplified it because I don't think the elements are enlightened I was explaining one way of looking at how the six paths are ranked with the idea of one being more powerful than the other and comparing that to the way the elements are related to each other.
My example does lack the balance of the elemental diagram however this is because I find the "rock, paper, scissors" type of diagram to difficult to paste on to the non combat type system of the buddhist concept of the six paths.

3.Lightning is actually the result of an unbalanced force balancing itself out and that unbalanced force is the attraction of positive electrons to negative electrons.
Until the lightning discharge occurs an attractive force is maintained between the unbalanced forces at play.
The idea in this table is that if an element has its yin-yang taken out of balance it manifests a magnified and sustained attribute.

4.Earth when vibrated goes through a process called liquefaction that allows things to sink into it, this has a bonding effect and I like to imagine it as glue.
Because chakra is very small a person skilled in chakra control and precision is basically gluing each tendon, nerve muscle back together on a cellular level.
If say a piece of skin is ripped off of a person they can increase the area of existing tissue by ripping it apart and gluing it back together their chakra acts as extra tissue until the body heals naturally.
Potentially the healer could use their own tissue if the victim was injured to a very high degree.

5.When earth isn't moving it becomes very solid and if you drop an item onto a solid base it will bounce.
That's where the idea for reflection came from I do consider these yin and yang to be opposites since the composite combines the energy and materials involved whereas reflection resists combination and returns the energy.

6.Dispersion may be the exact word I was looking for since in physics it means to distribute throughout evenly in a liquid.
His water chakra is able to distribute the foreign chakra evenly throughout his own, giving the appearance of absorption when in reality its more of assimilation.

7.Fire yin was very difficult for me to come up with an attribute for, I tried a couple different things and settled on control admittedly I'm not totally satisfied with this but I will explain why I chose it.
Fire uses its fuel and changes it into predictable exhaust it does this by burning only what it needs to survive this gives it a natural ability to be highly predictable allowing for easy control of an outcome.
A genjutsu user must shape the chakra so it effects the proper area of the mind with the correct intensity, this is how a nin harnesses it, and then burn only what chakra is needed to change to get the desired result, thats the control.
Perhaps change or extraction could have worked, but I felt the relation of fire to genjutsu through the Uchiha clan in the manga made control most appropriate for the fire yin.

8.Yes its possible the black rods are concentrated wind yang which he transmits through to magnify his signal and they receive through to magnify their reception of that signal.
 
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