The most stupid argument people use against Kabuto.

[Nosferato]

hashi uses world tree and all edos are disabled...

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Hashirama per kabutos admission of inferiority, edo Madara IMO is sasuke+itachi and can break edo tensi and spam wood clone susanoo, obito possibly he only thought kabuto would be difficult to kill

 

[Badapdos]

Again you still don't get the point. Read my words, please. Kabuto wasn't only fighting Itachi and Sasuke, he was fighitng the entire Shinobi alliance. Otherwise Itachi would have to pass through the 4th Kazekage, 2nd Mizukage, 2nd Tsushikage, 3rd Raikage, Nagato and Madara (Rinnegan and Hashirama cells) in order to land a blow in Kabuto. And that wasn't happening in a million years. But even f it did, you are forgetting that Kabuto has Suigtsus body properties, as well as Juugos. So he could simply regenerate it in a matter of a split of a second or simply change shape and avoid any damage. :rofl: So you're telling me 1 vs 1 Itachi would just sit there & Act like A dumbass & Wait For him To put the Kunai in 5 Heads to activate them no Because madara won't be controlled ever by somebody that pathetic come on Lmfao

So please undertand that the point is not that Itachi or Sasuke is weak but simply that Kabuto wasn't fighting at full strength because he wasn't fighting only them.



Well that is a very subjective subject and I rather not go in there. But in truth it is still irrelevant what Kabuto considers to be his power or not, because regardless of his ideological beliefs he can still use it in battle, rendering him unbeatable against any single foe.

I can't stop laughing at you except it :sy:

 

[Omnipotent]

Well that is a very subjective subject and I rather not go in there. But in truth it is still irrelevant what Kabuto considers to be his power or not, because regardless of his ideological beliefs he can still use it in battle, rendering him unbeatable against any single foe.

Yes, however, can it really be counted?
First of all, well, he spent months gathering the DNA of many, many shinobi in order to create this army. Who gets that type of prep time?! You might as well say that Shisui gets to wait 10 years before he can use KA.

 

[blackstar9]

Saying sage mode kabuto can fight while using edos is pure speculation. He has never done it!

 

[ImNoOne]

hashi uses world tree and all edos are disabled...

That's inaccurate. Why? Because dead people do not inhale, as they have no need to breath. Furthermore the Edo Army as more than enough fire power to bring down the flowers.

 

[Draphsin]

Kabuto had no small amount of bodies and subjects to sacrifice, do not forget Orochimaru's organisation was huge as well, sacrificial bodies wasn't something Kabuto would be lacking. Saying that Kabuto used Zetsu clones is absolute speculation, nothing more.

On the other hand, as pointed in countless previous threads if Kabuto wasn't cut out from the world by Izanami Madara would have never been able to break free from Kabuto's grip. Otherwise the same would have happened to Orochimaru when he summoned the 2nd Hokage, The Creator of Edo Tensei. If Madara knew how to break free then it's 100% sure thing Tobirama knew as well. So your argument is invalid.

No its speculation that kabuto had bodies from oro, when oro died most of them were gone. Kabuto asked obito to experiment on a zetsu to make stronger with yamato's chakra. I makes perfect sense that he would use extra zetsu bodies for edo because when he confronted obito he didnt have and bodies with him. And in the period of time obito went to get his rinnegan kabuto was sitting in the hideout so he didnt go anywhere to collect the bodies either.

No this is false too, oro had complete control of the hokage because they were good. When you have complete control of an edo they are significantly weaker than if they were conscious as shown countless times. So that is the reason why kabuto gave madara his full control, because he trusted him and didnt expect him to break free. Madara could've broken free at any time because he was never put under full control

 

[Nosferato]

That's inaccurate. Why? Because dead people do not inhale, as they have no need to breath. Furthermore the Edo Army as more than enough fire power to bring down the flowers.

I doubt that very much

 

[ImNoOne]

Yes, however, can it really be counted?
First of all, well, he spent months gathering the DNA of many, many shinobi in order to create this army. Who gets that type of prep time?! You might as well say that Shisui gets to wait 10 years before he can use KA.

We are talking about prime Kabuto, that means top of his game. While he was gathering the DNA and making sacrificial bodies he wasn't in his prime just yet. To be in his prime, with all his arsenal he must have the Edo Contracts done.

As stated before once the contract is done he can summon it at any time he wants.
It's like Shisui, in a 1 vs 1 battle he could use his KA twice, once per eye. That's his prime.

As for the can it really be counted? I'll answer can we really count Madara's Rinnegan and EMS? Or Nagato's Rinnegan? Or Kakashi's Kamui/Sharingan? Or Sasuke's EMS? Or Ao's Byakugan? Or Kakuzos 5 Hearts? Or Kisame's Samehada?

These were all skills attained by using something that wasn't theirs. Yet take away those things from them and they will no longer be on their prime.

Saying sage mode kabuto can fight while using edos is pure speculation. He has never done it!

Look, did the Edo's went free when he went in Sage mode or did that happen only when he got stuck in Izanami? When did Dan claimed to be back in control of his actions? That's right only when Kabuto got stuck inside Izanami. So there is your answer, yes he can control them while in Sage mode and fighting.

End of debate!

But just to spice it up so you understand this once and for all.

If Kabuto wasn't fighting against the whole Shinobi alliance, Itachi would never had gotten free. The fact that Itachi went free was a direct concequence of Kabuto being fighting Naruto.

In any different scenario, example 1 vs 1 fight, Itachi would be a part of Kabuto's arsenal and therefore could not be counted as a potential foe. Unless obviously the foe was Naruto in which case the battle would turn out to be:

Naruto + Itachi vs DSM Kabuto + Edo Army(-Edo Itachi)

And in that situation Kabuto would still win.

 

[ImNoOne]

I doubt that very much

Do you have any doubts about the unecessity dead people have for breathing? If the answer is yes, then please refrain of posting any more. I require people to have a minimum intelligence level in order for me to argue with them.

 

[ImNoOne]

No its speculation that kabuto had bodies from oro, when oro died most of them were gone. Kabuto asked obito to experiment on a zetsu to make stronger with yamato's chakra. I makes perfect sense that he would use extra zetsu bodies for edo because when he confronted obito he didnt have and bodies with him. And in the period of time obito went to get his rinnegan kabuto was sitting in the hideout so he didnt go anywhere to collect the bodies either.

No this is false too, oro had complete control of the hokage because they were good. When you have complete control of an edo they are significantly weaker than if they were conscious as shown countless times. So that is the reason why kabuto gave madara his full control, because he trusted him and didnt expect him to break free. Madara could've broken free at any time because he was never put under full control

Firstly you are making a wild guess about when Kabuto made the contracts of the rest of the Edos. Kabuto went missing on his business preparing for the war for months, prior to his first meeting with Obito. It's common sense that he would have get his edos in line during that period of time and not within the few days after his meeting with Obito. So stop with the zetsu's bodies crap.

To further prove my point, the manga does not show any of the released Edo's to surface with a zetsu body, their all normal people.

As for the second part, Kabuto chose to give Madara a loose leach in order to see what Madara could do with his perfected body. He could at any given point had straightened and constraint that leach just like he did with all the other Edos. There is nothing that points otherwise.

 

[Draphsin]

Firstly you are making a wild guess about when Kabuto made the contracts of the rest of the Edos. Kabuto went missing on his business preparing for the war for months, prior to his first meeting with Obito. It's common sense that he would have get his edos in line during that period of time and not within the few days after his meeting with Obito. So stop with the zetsu's bodies crap.

To further prove my point, the manga does not show any of the released Edo's to surface with a zetsu body, their all normal people.

As for the second part, Kabuto chose to give Madara a loose leach in order to see what Madara could do with his perfected body. He could at any given point had straightened and constraint that leach just like he did with all the other Edos. There is nothing that points otherwise.

lol....he was spending those months getting used to oro's body, and he was lying low until then, him going on a killing/capturing spree would definitely draw attention.

only released akatsuki bodies have been shown to have a person sealed within them

second part is what im saying......madara would release himself faster than kabuto would even notice, look how long it took for him to notice that the crow was breaking itachi free. In fact, kabuto was so stunned by the idea that he stopped controlling nagato leaving him open. This would be the same case for madara, he would break free and kabuto would sit there and not notice until after the fact. Tell me how kabuto would notice madara performing hand seals for the release? i dont see any manga page saying otherwise..and madara points towards the fact that edo cant hold him

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[partha420]

Indeed, one loss doesn't mean that he's weak. He's still a very powerful shinobi with DSM, and could possibly defeat many of the characters in the series.
It was just unfortunate that he was used to showcase Izanami.

^^true...so true.

 

[ImNoOne]

lol....he was spending those months getting used to oro's body, and he was lying low until then, him going on a killing/capturing spree would definitely draw attention.

only released akatsuki bodies have been shown to have a person sealed within them

second part is what im saying......madara would release himself faster than kabuto would even notice, look how long it took for him to notice that the crow was breaking itachi free. In fact, kabuto was so stunned by the idea that he stopped controlling nagato leaving him open. This would be the same case for madara, he would break free and kabuto would sit there and not notice until after the fact. Tell me how kabuto would notice madara performing hand seals for the release? i dont see any manga page saying otherwise..and madara points towards the fact that edo cant hold him

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Obviously Orochimaru could keep Tobirama from freeing himself but Kabuto would not be able to keep Madara from doing so. Makes perfect sense...

Stop being an hater. With a conscious Kabuto, Madara would have no chance of freeing himself. Itachi was a different case because it wasn't the Edo thaet freed himself but the crow that freed Itachi. A crow appearing out of no where is very different from an Edo forming the seals to free itself.

Kabuto had no way of knowing that the crow would have KA ready to cast upon seeing Itachi's eyes. The same can't be said about the hand seals.

 

[Kikki]

I agree. They had to invent a completely new jutsu and make completely new rules to beat that guy. Otherwise he was not beatably. I dunno if Sasuke can beat him when trying to kill him though. As I remember, Itachi said 'don't kill him' because he wanted to cancel edo tensei. If Uchiha bros tried to just kill him, it might have been a little different. Anyway, Kabuto was pretty tough and got pnjed. I don't like saying that word but in this case, when Kishi had to invent a way out, it IS true.

 

[Draphsin]

Obviously Orochimaru could keep Tobirama from freeing himself but Kabuto would not be able to keep Madara from doing so. Makes perfect sense...

Stop being an hater. With a conscious Kabuto, Madara would have no chance of freeing himself. Itachi was a different case because it wasn't the Edo thaet freed himself but the crow that freed Itachi. A crow appearing out of no where is very different from an Edo forming the seals to free itself.

Kabuto had no way of knowing that the crow would have KA ready to cast upon seeing Itachi's eyes. The same can't be said about the hand seals.

lol your first statement just proves how youre not even reading my posts, its not that kabuto cant fully control madara its that he wont and that arrogance is what allowed madara to break free. Please tell me where it implies that madara would still be under control if kabuto wasnt unconscious. Idk how many times i have to say it but kabuto's on cockyness and confident attitude would make him overlook the fact that madara can escape. Dont forget he knows nothing of this jutsu's weakness so he sure as hell wouldnt know that madara knows the seals let alone knows how to free himself. Therefore kabuto would sit there in awe(like he did with nagato) if he witnessed his strongest edo escape.

And you didnt fully answer my point about itachi's escape. If itachi could use a crow which takes longer to set up than forming a few hand seals then whats stopping madara from forming them? And Itachi used his MS on cue to set up the bird meaning he had control of his dojutsu meaning that it is possible to use specific techniques while under kabuto's "partial" control

bolds are wrong as you have no proof, edo tobirama was put under full control(which makes sense because he's a protagonist), with a lesser version of edo and you have no evidence that itachi's case of freeing is different than madara's because both of them used techniques of their own free will.

 

[Lady Luck]

I agree.

Prime kabuto has unlimited chakra due to juugo's abilty.
he has amazing relflexes even with his eyes shut.

he can't be killed due to his body shedding/ liquidifing.
and he has his edos ofc.

kabuto became the strongest in the manga.

but lost to kishi's favouritism over itachi. true story

 

[Dark Artist]

100% agree
only a fanboy of itachi will disagree

 

[Omnipotent]

I agree.

Prime kabuto has unlimited chakra due to juugo's abilty.
he has amazing relflexes even with his eyes shut.

he can't be killed due to his body shedding/ liquidifing.
and he has his edos ofc.

kabuto became the strongest in the manga.

but lost to kishi's favouritism over itachi. true story

Strongest in the manga? He admitted his inferiority to Hashirama already.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

He wears SUNGLASSES.His vision is fine. Its the nerds with stigmatisms and far sightedness and stuff and can't see that's why they lose. Its their weakness. Poor eyesight. Duh. Idiot.



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