Edo Release?

[Rikud0 Sennin]

As you all know, Madara released Edo Tensai and has seemingly become immortal. His only weekness is sealing techniques, and ridiculous taijutsu.
And, as you know, Tobirama, the creator of the jutsu, has been revived twice with this jutsu. If Madara can release it, why cant Tobirama?

Plot hole?

After another run through of the manga, I have decided (what i believe ONLY) that Madara was not the one who released himself.

It was not Kabuto either. He was detained in the loop that he is still stuck in.

The only one it could have been, was Itachi.

HOLD UUP A SEC
Before you flood this page with fanboy crap/flamewarshiz... Lets take a look at the manga.

Madara said "i

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" as he was being taken be the Edo's Release.

But, somehow, even to Madara's

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, He reverted back into his Edo form. (This takes two pages. First is shown his surprise, then his reversion. The

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says alot)


8 Pages

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, Madara "releases" Edo Tensai.


I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty sure you need to release a technique, first. Then the technique will get released. Not the other way around. EPIC FAIL.
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Now, getting to Itachi's involvement in this development...

Late in the next manga

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... Jugo says that Edo Madara is still here, and wasnt brought back by the release.

This is a bit confusing because Sasuke does not know of Edo Madara's existance...
But, so much of Sasuke's life happens off screen, so... He may?
If anyone has evidence of his knowledge of Madara, share plz...
The only evidence I have would be that Sasuke said "ah... so he's still here" after recalling his brother.

Back to it. Jugo's statement

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Sasuke.
But it wasn't until the next page where it gets real interesting.
Sasuke was recalling his brother... And the last thing his brother said in his memory ~this is while Itachi is an

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!~ is there is something left I need to do.

Itachi put a powerful genjutsu on Kabuto, made him recall the signs (MULTIPLE. Not just one ~like Madara used), and then Itachi made Kabuto make each sign to release the tech.

If Itachi had control of the technique through Kabuto, doesn’t that mean that he had control over who to release and who not to? Couldn’t he have release everyone, and then before being fully taken back, cancel Madara’s release?

It certainly would explain Madara’s look of

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when he defied the technique.


Now what does this have to do with anything? First, we know that there will be some plot involving all 3 remaining Uchiha… Yeah… That is all...for an absolute guarantee anyway…

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But what does this say about the nature of the technique? And, What would this mean for the Kages?

None of them are powerful Genjutsu people… They couldn’t make Orochimaru undo the jutsu. Even if they did, they would likely fade away again.

They could kill Oro, and be Edo without any control. (Oro hasn’t put the Kunai in their heads yet) But defying the technique seems impossible. Otherwise Tobirama would have defied it the first time.

Peace. Hope you enjoyed.
P.S. Sorry for the wall... dont hate
P.S.S. Madara still has the summoning contract with Kabuto... But since Kabuto is comatose, it doesn't matter. He can do whatever he wants. No restrictions...

 

[xXBlazinNinXx]

Tobi created it but Oro was the one who perfected it.

Tobi made the basics of being able to bring someone back to life. That's what he created Edo Tensi even Kabuto stated Oro was the one who mastered it.

But I do agree in some way.....lets see what happens next chap.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Tobi created it but Oro was the one who perfected it.

Tobi made the basics of being able to bring someone back to life. That's what he created Edo Tensi even Kabuto stated Oro was the one who mastered it.

But I do agree in some way.....lets see what happens next chap.

Even with Oro mastering it... Doesnt explain how Madara got released.

 

[Itachi Rane]

Madara retained his freedom because kabuto allowed him to play around with the kages, unlike tobirama who was ina mindless mode and his movements were all controlled......

 

[Lord of the Kings]

Edo Tensei has many future to develop.It is the first Necromany jutsu in Naruto.

 

[Nolexion]

He just ressurected the kages.Give Tobirama some time,they probably aren't concious yet...

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Madara retained his freedom because kabuto allowed him to play around with the kages, unlike tobirama who was ina mindless mode and his movements were all controlled......

Tobi had control of his movements for about 45 seconds... Then Oro took control of him

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Edo Tensei has many future to develop.It is the first Necromany jutsu in Naruto.

K.?

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

He just ressurected the kages.Give Tobirama some time,they probably aren't concious yet...

My whole point is, that they wont be able to defy the jutsu...

 

[saw2097]

I agree, I highly doubt Oro will give the Hokages a chance to break the control of Edo Tensei. But I do believe that he has big plans for them (final arc big).

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

Bruh madara just didnt do one sign he did all of em there wasnt enough panels to see him doing all of em. Your reading the proof in your face madara broke out himself. By knowing the true weakness too the technique.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Bruh madara just didnt do one sign he did all of em there wasnt enough panels to see him doing all of em. Your reading the proof in your face madara broke out himself. By knowing the true weakness too the technique.

Then explain... How was he released from the technique before he did the sign?

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

I agree, I highly doubt Oro will give the Hokages a chance to break the control of Edo Tensei. But I do believe that he has big plans for them (final arc big).

Totally Agree

 

[zipfelinho]

I didnt reread, but i remeber that its only possible to free himself from edo tensei when the user releases it. In madaras case kabuto unwillingly released it duo to izanami/itachi. In case of tobi/hashi edo wasnt release, bit the were sealed which mean the trigger to cast the jutsu madara used to free himself wasnt available.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

I didnt reread, but i remeber that its only possible to free himself from edo tensei when the user releases it. In madaras case kabuto unwillingly released it duo to izanami/itachi. In case of tobi/hashi edo wasnt release, bit the were sealed which mean the trigger to cast the jutsu madara used to free himself wasnt available.

I dont understand then, Why would Madara say "it can't be helped" when all he had to do was force himself free??

 

[abister90]

I rewatched the Hiruzen Vs Hokage Fight

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The Hokage begin to regain their consciousness at 10:45 as they walk out of the coffins. The 1st and 2nd make small talk with Hiruzen and comment on the Edo Tensei technique and Orochimaru. THEN at around 12:20, Orochimaru begins to put the kunai in the their head to kill their personality and take full control of them.

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In the manga, they basically do the same thing, but for a short interval of time. The fact of the matter is that they knew they were EDO! Tobirama could have done something.

Oh, and a fun fact I just noticed. The Hokages make an appearance in their edo forms in chapter 118 & then they make their first reappearance in chapter 618... 500 chapters later .

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

I rewatched the Hiruzen Vs Hokage Fight

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The Hokage begin to regain their consciousness at 10:45 as they walk out of the coffins. The 1st and 2nd make small talk with Hiruzen and comment on the Edo Tensei technique and Orochimaru. THEN at around 12:20, Orochimaru begins to put the kunai in the their head to kill their personality and take full control of them.

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In the manga, they basically do the same thing, but for a short interval of time. The fact of the matter is that they knew they were EDO! Tobirama could have done something.

Oh, and a fun fact I just noticed. The Hokages make an appearance in their edo forms in chapter 118 & then they make their first reappearance in chapter 618... 500 chapters later .

Thank you for taking your time to look that up. Very helpful.

 

[Floydical]

I only read the first third of the argument and don't think you read it right. The 'empty word box' you talked about is not a word box, its a sound effect of him reconnecting with his body. Next, the fact that he was surprised when his body separated from his body does make sense because even though he knew the technique was releasing, he wouldn't know when exactly his soul would separate from his edo body. He simply waited for that to happen, then reconnected his body once it happened. Lastly, that caption of 'release' at the end of the chapter is not him releasing the technique, its a more general caption that I believe is an author's note.

 

[thegame]

Uhm, overall you make many miss interpretations of the manga. To name one, Madara was not surprised about edo tensei being released. Tsunade was surprised. Madara instantly went on with his fight.

Also your initial assumption is pretty bad, You question if there is a plot hole, since the 2nd hokage didn't release himself from edo tensei. Well this is just entirely stupid. I mean what are you thinking? The moment edo tensei was "released", all the revived shinobis were "free" for a while. Meaning they could do as they pleased until their soul vanished. So basically, there is no way that Tobirama could release himself from his contract to the summoner, since he wasn't allowed to do anything on his own.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Uhm, overall you make many miss interpretations of the manga. To name one, Madara was not surprised about edo tensei being released. Tsunade was surprised. Madara instantly went on with his fight.

Also your initial assumption is pretty bad, You question if there is a plot hole, since the 2nd hokage didn't release himself from edo tensei. Well this is just entirely stupid. I mean what are you thinking? The moment edo tensei was "released", all the revived shinobis were "free" for a while. Meaning they could do as they pleased until their soul vanished. So basically, there is no way that Tobirama could release himself from his contract to the summoner, since he wasn't allowed to do anything on his own.

I know Tsunade was surprised. Thats a bit obvious. I know he was not surprised about being released. He was surprised that his body was re-attaching itself to his soul. He was surprised because he was canceled from the release. And no. He did not simply go o n in his fight. He stood there, talking about his disappointment about having to use PS twice.

My suggestion of a plot hole was disproved by THE ENTIRE REST of my statement. There was no plot hole, because as an Edo, you cannot release yourself. Just because you dont get it, doesnt mean its stupid. Truth is, Any Edo can do whatever he/she pleases, until you constrict their domain~ so to speak. The only thing that restricts their movement is the Kunai the gets placed in their head. In the anime it took 2 min for the kunai to be put inside their head. In the manga, a little less time. But, Tobirama, Creator of the jutsu, Master of Space TIme Ninjutsu, a little time means all the time in the world. He only needed a split second to release himself, if there was a way. There wasnt.

and for the blank box... That is open for interpretation. Whenever there is a sound effect, it is not in a bubble. It is just

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