Shiki Fujin: Uzumaki Secret

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Derp Obito's thread inspired me to create this one. This is the thread in question:

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Shiki fujin jutsu is considered by most as one of the most powerful sealing techniques in the entire manga(if not the most). It was first seen in part1 when Hiruzen used it in his fight against Orochimaru and it was explained that Minato was the one who taught him the technique, Minato himself already using the technique to seal Kyubi's Yin chakra

The particularity of this jutsu is to take the targets soul in exchange of the user's life what happened in respective Hiruzen's or Minato's battles

Until chapter 617, we knew that the Shinigami sealed the Yin chakra or Kyubi, plus the souls of 4 previous Hokages and Orochimaru's arms

But chapter 618 came out with new elements

It's possible to summon the Shinigami thanks to a certain mask you can find in the Uzumaki clan's mask temple outside konoha

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Shinigami's mask

From there i thought about 2hypotheses:

First Hypothese is that Minato was inspired by those Uzumaki mask to create the Shiki Fujin

Second Hypothese is that Uzumaki clan is the first to have made a pact with the God of Death

The Uzumaki temple is really interesting, because on one of those walls, you can see similar Shinigami masks everywhere

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Uzumaki clan's masks temple

On top of the pic, you can notice Uzumaki clan symbole reproduced 3times and at the bottom you see sort of flames that are curiously similar to the one you find on Minato's jacket

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Minato Namikaze

It also confirms what Kushina said when she mentioned that there was a strong relationship between Konoha and Uzumaki clan since a long long time

With that, we can also create a third hypothese: Uzumaki were able to summon not only the God of Death Shinigami, but also the spirit of other divinity. It also helps to understand why almost everyone was terrified because of their powers and wanted at all cost to eliminate them

Also Orochimaru seemed to know the secret behind this since a while, but wasn't able to do the ritual in order to recover his arms(if he could, he would have done it before). So i think that for the ritual to work, you need to be in the Nakano Shrine, and it seems that you need a jutsu in order to open the stone(something that probably only Uchihas could do). So we can say that Orochimaru probably needed Sasuke for that. Notice also in the Nakano Shrine, you can find the Uchiha tablet which was said to be created by Rikudo sennin himself

It create again another hypothese

Fourth Hypothese : Is there a relationship between Uzumakis and Rikudo Sennin? Does it mean Rikudo was a Uzumaki. It would probably explain Naruto's transformation when he uses Kyubi's chakra, it explains why he looks similar to Rikudoo, why Kyubi thought about Rikudo's jutsu when Naruto used it against him... Is it something Minato predicted as well?

Thoughts?
 
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I like the way you thinking, nice job
 

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It's possible that the original bloodline of the Sage was an Uzumaki which branched into two: Senju and Uchiha. :)
 

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I like the fact that we finally know why the Uzumaki clan was so feared. It wasn't just their sealing abilities but it was their ability to summon the Death God and other spirits, good job :)

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nice thread
Thanks :)
I like the fact that we finally know why the Uzumaki clan was so feared. It wasn't just their sealing abilities but it was their ability to summon the Death God and other spirits, good job :)

Edit: Gotta spread that rep, darn :(
Yup, they weren't feared for nothing. Their sealing techniques were coming from the other world :D No problem for the rep(unfortunately :() but thanks for your reply anyway :)
 

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It's possible that the original bloodline of the Sage was an Uzumaki which branched into two: Senju and Uchiha. :)

I feel like this is how it really is. Would make sense, I mean the main character is an Uzumaki after all. And the "body" that the Senju inherited being the younger brother descendants honestly apply to the Uzumaki clan more then anything, so it would be so much sense if the Sage himself was a Uzumaki. I think there's still way more to the Uzumaki clan then we think
 

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I feel like this is how it really is. Would make sense, I mean the main character is an Uzumaki after all. And the "body" that the Senju inherited being the younger brother descendants honestly apply to the Uzumaki clan more then anything, so it would be so much sense if the Sage himself was a Uzumaki. I think there's still way more to the Uzumaki clan then we think
The Uzumaki's temple where you find masks and masks everywhere is already a mystery itself. Maybe we would even hear some things new concerning it thru Minato when he will reveal some secrets to Sasuke and others :D
 

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You have come to a point that others have reach over the years, but Senju and Uchiha fans have poo on because of the implications That the SO6P was an Uzumaki. That the Uzumaki are the parents of the Uchiha and the Senju, this alone would send Uchiha and Senju fans into convolutions.
 

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You have come to a point that others have reach over the years, but Senju and Uchiha fans have poo on because of the implications That the SO6P was an Uzumaki. That the Uzumaki are the parents of the Uchiha and the Senju, this alone would send Uchiha and Senju fans into convolutions.
Wow if someone predicted it since years, he must have been good. :D I think i've seen someone posting that Rikudo was Uzumaki, but after the latest infos, i start to believe that there is no doubt he was :)
 

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I agree with the third hypothesis the most.

I mean, I don't agree with the first one because Shiki Fuujin takes the user's life, yet Hiruzen instantly recognized it when Minato used it, so I'm guessing someone used it before him and died (but then again, why isn't that person appearing now? For the same reason we don't know where Kurama's yin chakra is):
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And I don't agree with the second one because it sounds bad.
 

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I agree with the third hypothesis the most.

I mean, I don't agree with the first one because Shiki Fuujin takes the user's life, yet Hiruzen instantly recognized it when Minato used it, so I'm guessing someone used it before him and died (but then again, why isn't that person appearing now? For the same reason we don't know where Kurama's yin chakra is):
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And I don't agree with the second one because it sounds bad.
Hiruzen didn't recognise the God of Death, he recognised the seals of the jutsu since Minato was making seals infront of him, and those seals were taught to him by Minato, so obviously he knew Minato was using Shiki Fujin when he recognised the seals. He never saw the God of Death personally. It's even what he said when he used it against Orochimaru that it was the first time for him to see him

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I like the fact that we finally know why the Uzumaki clan was so feared. It wasn't just their sealing abilities but it was their ability to summon the Death God and other spirits, good job :)

Edit: Gotta spread that rep, darn :(

Wouldn't it sound better if the Uzumaki are responsible for Death Gods? They created seals that required a soul, and that soul became the reaper. Accidental or purposely, doesn't matter.
 

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Wouldn't it sound better if the Uzumaki are responsible for Death Gods? They created seals that required a soul, and that soul became the reaper. Accidental or purposely, doesn't matter.
Responsible of Death Gods? Maybe but it seems that others like Minato or Hiruzen could still use the jutsu
 

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Responsible of Death Gods? Maybe but it seems that others like Minato or Hiruzen could still use the jutsu

They created the death gods, is what I meant to say.
 

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Hiruzen didn't recognise the God of Death, he recognised the seals of the jutsu since Minato was making seals infront of him, and those seals were taught to him by Minato, so obviously he knew Minato was using Shiki Fujin when he recognised the seals. He never saw the God of Death personally. It's even what he said when he used it against Orochimaru that it was the first time for him to see him

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What seals? Minato was holding Naruto at that point, and the Shinigami had long since been summoned (he already was having a conversation/argument with Kushina by the time Hiruzen arrived).

Well, do you think Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo can't see the Shinigami? Judging by Suigetsu's body language, I'd say he can:
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This suggests that Hiruzen has seen it in use (up to this point, Minato couldn't have been simply demonstrating or he would've died):
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What seals? Minato was holding Naruto at that point, and the Shinigami had long since been summoned (he already was having a conversation/argument with Kushina by the time Hiruzen arrived).

Well, do you think Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo can't see the Shinigami? Judging by Suigetsu's body language, I'd say he can:
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This suggests that Hiruzen has seen it in use (up to this point, Minato couldn't have been simply demonstrating or he would've died):
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I'm talking about the handseals of the jutsu(Shiki Fujin).
Hiruzen saw Minato using the handseals simply because, Hiruzen arrived a short time before Minato even started to use Shiki Fujin:

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It's on the next page directly after this one that Minato used the handseals and Hiruzen was present, so he saw it:

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But even after seeing the handseals he was still doubting that Minato would really use a jutsu like this. It's for that reason that whether it was really the Dead Demon Seal or not. He even says those markings. He was talking about the handseals there. It's from the handseals/markings if you want that he thought Minato was using the jutsu in question

And it's only after Minato really used the jutsu that his suspicions were confirmed. Reason why he says . It's easy to recognise it since after the use of the jutsu, some markings of the jutsu appear on your belly

So like i've said, he has never seen the God of Death at that moment. You ask me if Suigetsu and others actually saw the God of Death? If we go by the logic of the manga, no they weren't seeing it when Oro used it. Not because Kishi actually draw the God of Death that in the actual manga, people around it are seeing it. Kishi is only representing it for us lectors to know what is happening

Anyway from the first pic i posted, it's already obvious that Hiruzen never saw the God of Death before his first use against Orochimaru since he says it himself

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I'm talking about the handseals of the jutsu(Shiki Fujin).
Hiruzen saw Minato using the handseals simply because, Hiruzen arrived a short time before Minato even started to use Shiki Fujin:

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It's on the next page directly after this one that Minato used the handseals and Hiruzen was present, so he saw it:

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But even after seeing the handseals he was still doubting that Minato would really use a jutsu like this. It's for that reason that whether it was really the Dead Demon Seal or not

And it's only after Minato really used the jutsu that his suspicions were confirmed. Reason why he says . It's easy to recognise it since after the use of the jutsu, some markings of the jutsu appear on your belly

So like i've said, he has never seen the God of Death at that moment. You ask me if Suigetsu and others actually saw the God of Death? If we go by the logic of the manga, no they weren't seeing it when Oro used it. Not because Kishi actually draw the God of Death that in the actual manga, people around it are seeing it. Kishi is only representing it for us lectors to know what is happening

Anyway from the first pic i posted, it's already obvious that Hiruzen never saw the God of Death before his first use against Orochimaru since he says it himself

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But even then, if Hiruzen knew only of the hand seals, why would he recognize the seal on Minato's abdomen which confirmed his suspicions?:
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Minato wouldn't have gone that far in demonstrating, or he would have been dead. The only other plausible explanation for Hiruzen's reaction to the seal on Minato's abdomen is that he's seen it occur before (although he hasn't necessarily seen the Shinigami, as you have said).
 
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