Shiki Fujin: Uzumaki Secret

[Bogard]

But even then, if Hiruzen knew only of the hand seals, why would he recognize the seal on Minato's abdomen which confirmed his suspicions?:

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Minato wouldn't have gone that far in demonstrating, or he would have been dead. The only other plausible explanation for Hiruzen's reaction to the seal on Minato's abdomen is that he's seen it occur before (although he hasn't necessarily seen the Shinigami, as you have said).

Like Hiruzen says himself, it's Minato the one who talked him about the God of Death. That alone says that he had never heard about the God of Death before Minato explaining him what it is. Minato explained him the basics of the jutsu, and when you explain to someone a jutsu, obviously you explain the processus of the jutsu as well. So what is so difficult to believe if Minato actually showed him how the jutsu works until the end? It's not as if he can't draw right? Why will he use a jutsu when he can easily draw it and show it to Hiruzen?

 

[Minator93]

Awesome thread mate!!

What I found interesting was the connection of the Flame pattern. Minato's coat and the temple pattern was the same.

I think the 1st hypothesis is right. I mean Minato was able to summon the Shinigami without the mask so its safe to assume that he had uncovered more secretes and knew how to do it even without the mask. Or sadly it could also mean that the mask is used only when you need to posses the Shinigami [in this case Oro needed to cut the belly]. But either way I think that since the time of Mito no one had used the Shiki Fugin.

The third hypothesis is completely possible!! But I really don't understand the hole Nakano shrine thing. What I think that the Rikudo's tablet which needs Sharingan, MS/EMS and Rinnegan for reading is half the truth. Perhaps you need something from the senjus as well to uncover the Whole truth and that's why Oro summoned them in front of the tablet [But hey, that's just me ]

To the fourth hypothesis I say why not? I mean there's definitely something between the Uzumaki clan and the Rikudo. Maybe the sage is the descendant or the former leader of the Uzumaki clan who made some sort of pact with god and achieved the Rinnegan. But the connection is there. And I think that's were Edo Minato comes in the play it seems he's the only one out of the four Hokages, who has uncovered the Uzumaki clan secretes!!

But once again it was a good read

 

[badoera]

really interesting thread bro!

the flame patern on his cloak sure ressembles the flames at the shrine! i'd say it's very possible for the ridikou to be an Uzumaki
I also wonder what those other masks are for!

if all of those are different kinds of death gods / sealing jutsu's then I completely understand why the uzumaki clan was feared back in the days !

 

[thegame]

Overall, it's just assumptions. Btw, I am pretty sure that Minato said that Kushina taught him Shiki Fuuin, because a jinchuriki couldn't use it.
Who taught it to Kushina? Mito, possibly. Anyway, the symbolism with the fire to Minato is also just a bold assumption. Kishi often uses the same drawings/symbols over and over, and often proves to have no important relationship. It helps to make us theorize, but I doubt it has a deeper meaning.

Also suggesting this helps the theory of Ridukou being Uzumaki. Well it is the most obvious answer, but just recently, I would believe that Kishi put further doubt on this. The man, who knew absolutely most about SO6P, namely Uchiha Madara, said to Zetsu/Obito that Nagato was of the Senju lineage. In other words, Uzumaki originates from the Senju clan.

Of course, after reading Naruto for quite a long time, you would start understanding, how Kishi writes etc.. So it's possible he just said that to put his readers off road, regarding this subject. Shortly, manga evidence goes against SO6P being Uzumaki, which is why, Kishi will make it that way. To "blow" our minds. Just like with Obito, the 4 kages, etc..

 

[Edo Odin]

Interesting thought, I like that, nice job

 

[Bogard]

Awesome thread mate!!

What I found interesting was the connection of the Flame pattern. Minato's coat and the temple pattern was the same.

I think the 1st hypothesis is right. I mean Minato was able to summon the Shinigami without the mask so its safe to assume that he had uncovered more secretes and knew how to do it even without the mask. Or sadly it could also mean that the mask is used only when you need to posses the Shinigami [in this case Oro needed to cut the belly]. But either way I think that since the time of Mito no one had used the Shiki Fugin.

The third hypothesis is completely possible!! But I really don't understand the hole Nakano shrine thing. What I think that the Rikudo's tablet which needs Sharingan, MS/EMS and Rinnegan for reading is half the truth. Perhaps you need something from the senjus as well to uncover the Whole truth and that's why Oro summoned them in front of the tablet [But hey, that's just me ]

To the fourth hypothesis I say why not? I mean there's definitely something between the Uzumaki clan and the Rikudo. Maybe the sage is the descendant or the former leader of the Uzumaki clan who made some sort of pact with god and achieved the Rinnegan. But the connection is there. And I think that's were Edo Minato comes in the play it seems he's the only one out of the four Hokages, who has uncovered the Uzumaki clan secretes!!

But once again it was a good read

Thanks mate. I appreciate and good to know you enjoyed reading. I'm pretty sure Uzumaki have some secrets we don't even imagine

really interesting thread bro!

the flame patern on his cloak sure ressembles the flames at the shrine! i'd say it's very possible for the ridikou to be an Uzumaki
I also wonder what those other masks are for!

if all of those are different kinds of death gods / sealing jutsu's then I completely understand why the uzumaki clan was feared back in the days !

I think it's pretty sure Rikudo was Uzumaki. I think a member even created a thread about it some day and i found it really interesting. Anyway thanks for reading bro

Overall, it's just assumptions. Btw, I am pretty sure that Minato said that Kushina taught him Shiki Fuuin, because a jinchuriki couldn't use it.
Who taught it to Kushina? Mito, possibly. Anyway, the symbolism with the fire to Minato is also just a bold assumption. Kishi often uses the same drawings/symbols over and over, and often proves to have no important relationship. It helps to make us theorize, but I doubt it has a deeper meaning.

Also suggesting this helps the theory of Ridukou being Uzumaki. Well it is the most obvious answer, but just recently, I would believe that Kishi put further doubt on this. The man, who knew absolutely most about SO6P, namely Uchiha Madara, said to Zetsu/Obito that Nagato was of the Senju lineage. In other words, Uzumaki originates from the Senju clan.

Of course, after reading Naruto for quite a long time, you would start understanding, how Kishi writes etc.. So it's possible he just said that to put his readers off road, regarding this subject. Shortly, manga evidence goes against SO6P being Uzumaki, which is why, Kishi will make it that way. To "blow" our minds. Just like with Obito, the 4 kages, etc..

Without assumptions, the hypotheses don't exist. It's the role of a thread to give some opinions that could be revealed to be true in the future. From every assumptions, every hypothese, there is always a possibility that one of them is right. And even if it is not, i think it's still nice to know some perspective. You say Kishi disregards details like the flames, but on the other side, won't you be surprised if in the end, it wasn't the case at all? Anyway thanks for your reply

 

[thegame]

Without assumptions, the hypotheses don't exist. It's the role of a thread to give some opinions that could be revealed to be true in the future. From every assumptions, every hypothese, there is always a possibility that one of them is right. And even then it is not, i think it's still nice to know some perspective. You say Kishi disregards details like the flames, but on the other side, won't you be surprised if in the end, it wasn't the case at all? Anyway thanks for your reply

Indeed, however, over-assuming stuff, will just turn you blind for the most obvious resolve. I would be surprised indeed, but I do see 100 other resolves, which would surprise me just as much. The flames may have some symbolism connected to both Uzumaki and Senju, but thinking further than that, may lead to nothing.

Just like every Konoha shinobi wears the Uzumaki clan symbol on their clothes as a symbol of friendship. It's probably something similar, or the more likely - no meaning at all. Of course, should give you some credit for noticing, though

 

[BloodSeed]

nice find with that flame thing hmmmm. ive wonder if the sage of six path had the same flame in his coat

 

[YellowFlash1]

Excellent job bro! I particularly like this thread, because i've always said that the sage of 6 paths was an ukumaki. I believe this ties in nicely with it....

 

[UncleSi]

Spot on man.... that the way I have been thinking for a while now SO6P=Uzumaki +reps

 

[Bogard]

nice find with that flame thing hmmmm. ive wonder if the sage of six path had the same flame in his coat

Thanks man, if So6P has the same flame on his coat, then it's confirmed :scorps:

Excellent job bro! I particularly like this thread, because i've always said that the sage of 6 paths was an ukumaki. I believe this ties in nicely with it....

Ah really? Didn't know. Then with this, we can almost conclude it then

Spot on man.... that the way I have been thinking for a while now SO6P=Uzumaki +reps

Thanks man

 

[chancek7]

If the Senju and Uchiha branched off from the Uzumaki then holy crap... Naruto will probably have eye techs by the end of the series.

 

[lol99]

damn nice catch on minato's flame coat and the temple, so the flame coat wasnt just randomly drawn by kishi O.O

i think 3rd and 4th hypothesis are the most likely ones

 

[Negative Knight]

Not a bad thread Bogard, i feel as though each of the masks has a certain potential behind them. Knowing Kishi he may just skip over them, not allowing us to see what secrets they hold, but instead giving us a small glimpse through reviving the four hokages.

Your first theory is just to make Minato look better >_>, isn't his revival enough for you xd ?

 

[Bogard]

damn nice catch on minato's flame coat and the temple, so the flame coat wasnt just randomly drawn by kishi O.O

i think 3rd and 4th hypothesis are the most likely ones

Thanks I found it with luck to be honest. It's after re-reading that i saw something weird around the masks and i found directly a relationship with Minato's coat

Not a bad thread Bogard, i feel as though each of the masks has a certain potential behind them. Knowing Kishi he may just skip over them, not allowing us to see what secrets they hold, but instead giving us a small glimpse through reviving the four hokages.

Pretty much. It's what i said in my 3rd Hypothese

Your first theory is just to make Minato look better >_>, isn't his revival enough for you xd ?

Lol let the wanking begin. We don't see Minato very often :rofl: