Totsuka's penetrating abilities are widely debated and i personally dont have much of a stance on the matter. Ive seen some claim it cant pierce a Susano'o and so forth so until were entirely sure of its piercing capabilities i dont know if comparing it to a sword capable of cutting through anything is the best idea.
In that case, we only have hype and portrayal to go on. The databook hype is superfluously over the top. It's a flawless offense that can mow down any enemy. It's manga portrayal, too, is over the top. Whenever it comes out, the bad guys go down hard and fast, even those with as much plot relevant and hype as Orochimaru and Nagato. Killer Bee, of all people, making a joke out of the blade that had made jokes out of much higher profile villains (that made jokes of Bee) is unlikely.
Lets not play dumb. The V2 cloak showed to have more durability and ability to deflect damage. V2 Naruto withstood a sword said to be able to cut through adamantine (which is the material that Enma transforms into which is supposedly unbreakable) while obviously yes Minato cut through Hachibi's tail in full bijuu form. Two different forms, two different sets of abilities.
Now, it's your turn to be honest.
Sasuke, without displaying any of his MS techniques as of yet, was considered such a threat that Bee went straight out into his biju form.
Do you really think that Itachi, Susanoo and all, wouldn't force Bee into biju form? And that's where he gets sealed, and that's IF the Sword of Totsuka isn't able to do so against Bee's V2 form.
In that case, we only have hype and portrayal to go on. The databook hype is superfluously over the top. It's a flawless offense that can mow down any enemy. It's manga portrayal, too, is over the top. Whenever it comes out, the bad guys go down hard and fast, even those with as much plot relevant and hype as Orochimaru and Nagato. Killer Bee, of all people, making a joke out of the blade that had made jokes out of much higher profile villains is unlikely.
Good point. Although it should be said it did just pierce through flesh and bone victims. Like i said, i dont have much of a stance on the matter. Obviously since it is a spiritual weapon it has different properties. We just dont know exactly what those are yet in regards to piercing ability.
Now, it's your turn to be honest.
Sasuke, without displaying any of his MS techniques as of yet, was considered such a threat that Bee went straight out into his biju form.
Do you really think that Itachi, Susanoo and all, wouldn't force Bee into biju form? And that's where he gets sealed, and that's IF the Sword of Totsuka isn't able to do so against Bee's V2 form.
Hachibi told Bee he was already winning the fight and that going full bijuu mode was unnecessary. Bee said he just got carried away. Had he stayed in V2 mode i highly doubt Sasuke and the rest of Taka wouldve avoided what should have been a third death. Though to be fair Sasuke didnt have Susano'o yet obviously.
Tsukuyomi's damage takes effect in a few seconds. By the time Gyuki breaks Bee out of the genjutsu, Bee would have been tortured for at least a day in the illusion. The mental breakdown would leave Bee helpless like it did Kakashi.
Lets not play dumb. The V2 cloak showed to have more durability and ability to deflect damage. V2 Naruto withstood a sword said to be able to cut through adamantine (which is the material that Enma transforms into which is supposedly unbreakable) while obviously yes Minato cut through Hachibi's tail in full bijuu form. Two different forms, two different sets of abilities. And then on top of that V2's speed > that of full bijuu transformations. I highly doubt it would get caught by totsuka regardless.
Thats fair. Although not sure if the chakra arms have the same resiliency as the actual parts of the jins body but who knows. Seems fishy to me that Naruto can withstand a famed sword said to be cut through anything but a simple raiton jutsu would cut him apart like butter.
Thats fair. Although not sure if the chakra arms have the same resiliency as the actual parts of the jins body but who knows. Seems fishy to me that Naruto can withstand a famed sword said to be cut through anything but a simple raiton jutsu would cut him apart like butter.
Hachibi told Bee he was already winning the fight and that going full bijuu mode was unnecessary. Bee said he just got carried away. Had he stayed in V2 mode i highly doubt Sasuke and the rest of Taka wouldve avoided what should have been a third death. Though to be fair Sasuke didnt have Susano'o yet obviously.
But Bee still went and did it anyways, didn't he? And in that same panel Bee admits Sasuke, even without his MS techniques (excluding amaterasu which was the very end of the fight), was one of the strongest foes he's ever faced.
I wouldnt go that far. The chakra arms that exude from it can now clearly be dealt with by Sasuke's raiton which makes the OP's arguments much more difficult. However ill still stick by the fact that the actually body of the jin during this transformation still has immense defensive properties.
Tbh i don't understand people who think Bee is weaker
Bee already owned Sasuke in base:
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Itachi had no other options than retreating while facing base Bee:
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People believe that Amaterasu is Bee's weakness because of this page
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But lets be honest. Bee was raping them before Amaterasu appeared. It's only that he underestimated them and got caught by Amaterasu. But still, even with no knowledge on the jutsu at that moment, he still created an opening to get out of it with kawarimi. Not only did he kawarimi out of it, but he even managed to fool a great Sharingan user like Sasuke, the scene just happening infront of his eyes, which shows his great skills in combat.
Now Bee has knowledge on it. Amaterasu needs concentration to aim, and base Bee has shown to be able to counter him perfectly(had Nagato not intervened, would he have a hole in his head)
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Itachi also has the overhyped Susanoo with totsuka and yata mirror. Now what people may not have notice is that in the databook of Susanoo, it's said that totsuka is a kusanagi variant:
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That same kusanagi wasn't able to pierce thru 4tails:
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So totsuka has yet to be able to pierce thru Bee in V2, not even talking about Hachibi's main body
On the other part, V2 has shown the flexibility to be able to attack easily from underground which is Susanoo weakness:
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Has demonstrated insane power just in V1:
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This is what he is capable of in Hachibi mode:
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Insane, right?
Also contrary to the popular belief, TBB is not slow to charge at all. It's only that depending on the situation, Tailed beast can take their time to charge their attack just to make it stronger, but if they want they can release it instantly like it's shown for example when Hachibi was even able to use multiple tailed beast bombs when he was even in a bad condition(kicked back by the Juubi):
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I really wonder how Itachi's or Sasuke's Susanoo would manage to contain full Hachibi's power
oh its you again and again picking on uchiha. man there is no need for hater.. itachi could have seal him as he isn't move fast. Sasuke almost own him but lucky he escaped. Anyway who care?
But Bee still went and did it anyways, didn't he? And in that same panel Bee admits Sasuke, even without his MS techniques (excluding amaterasu which was the very end of the fight), was one of the strongest foes he's ever faced.
I know im not debating that. Its just that he was by no means forced into that transformation. The fight could have very well been finished without it and that was stated canonically. And im aware but i dont really see how that is relevant to the discussion at hand.
Bee fought a nub MS rookie sasuke with hardly any experience with his MS.
As soon as Bee go full 8 tails transformation, hes a totsuka blade target or amaterasu target, same thing for sasukes sussano arrows.
Wait what are you retarded? Totsuka is a variant, meaning not the same as the kusanagi, dont compare feats with them when they are entirely different.
Tbh i don't understand people who think Bee is weaker
Bee already owned Sasuke in base:
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Itachi had no other options than retreating while facing base Bee:
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People believe that Amaterasu is Bee's weakness because of this page
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But lets be honest. Bee was raping them before Amaterasu appeared. It's only that he underestimated them and got caught by Amaterasu. But still, even with no knowledge on the jutsu at that moment, he still created an opening to get out of it with kawarimi. Not only did he kawarimi out of it, but he even managed to fool a great Sharingan user like Sasuke, the scene just happening infront of his eyes, which shows his great skills in combat.
Now Bee has knowledge on it. Amaterasu needs concentration to aim, and base Bee has shown to be able to counter him perfectly(had Nagato not intervened, would he have a hole in his head)
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Itachi also has the overhyped Susanoo with totsuka and yata mirror. Now what people may not have notice is that in the databook of Susanoo, it's said that totsuka is a kusanagi variant:
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That same kusanagi wasn't able to pierce thru 4tails:
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So totsuka has yet to be able to pierce thru Bee in V2, not even talking about Hachibi's main body
On the other part, V2 has shown the flexibility to be able to attack easily from underground which is Susanoo weakness:
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Has demonstrated insane power just in V1:
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This is what he is capable of in Hachibi mode:
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Insane, right?
Also contrary to the popular belief, TBB is not slow to charge at all. It's only that depending on the situation, Tailed beast can take their time to charge their attack just to make it stronger, but if they want they can release it instantly like it's shown for example when Hachibi was even able to use multiple tailed beast bombs when he was even in a bad condition(kicked back by the Juubi):
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I really wonder how Itachi's or Sasuke's Susanoo would manage to contain full Hachibi's power
good point but kind-of pointness if your trying to prove something because they are too many sasuke and itachi fanboys and they are really hard headed and annoying -but like i said before good points
I wouldnt go that far. The chakra arms that exude from it can now clearly be dealt with by Sasuke's raiton which makes the OP's arguments much more difficult. However ill still stick by the fact that the actually body of the jin during this transformation still has immense defensive properties.
Be got caught by Sasukes Tsukuyomi. However Itachis Tsukuyomi is far better than Sasukes since it can manipulate time, Bee would be defeated before Hachibi even mentioned. Madaras fan can reflect TBB, so why cant Yata Mirror (it reflects anything according to manga)
Bee was a perfect Jinchuriki fighting Sasuke wtihout his Susanoo, it was almost like 3 tomoe Sasuke the only Ms ability he used was Amaterasu....and we all know how it ended....
1v1 Itachi rapes Bee
