Naruto Can Beat Obito (Details Inside)

[Fecal Matter]

naruto has been fighting CONSTANTLY for 70+ chapters in the manga and naruto didnt even have bm mode when he first started to fight obito, and now madara is there

this thread is about naruto and obito both fighting at 100% healthy 1v1



we dont know that for a fact

naruto and killer bee were in a hurry, so they bboth did a tbb because they had no time left

If 1 tbb would knock it down then they would've done it there and then.I can show you a page where Naruto could've aimed at the Barrier way before things got out of hand.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Pain CT was not full power it was stated in manga

And you fail to explain how he counters tbbs + gedo

 

[~Sovereign~]

just no

no explanation? i guess not huh?

No, because you act like Obito's only way of overcoming Naruto or his clones is by warping them. He's destroyed clones just by swinging the gunbai; he can easily do it again [

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]. Gedou, Bijuu and Jinchuuriki paths are also more than capable of destroying any doppelgangers which Naruto tries to use. Obito can avoid Frog Song by turning his head intangible. If his ears aren't in this plane of reality, how is he going to hear the Genjutsu? He isn't. Stakes which bind Bijuu power can also be used on Naruto from close range, either to injure him [

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]. By himself (as in, without Kakashi's Kamui and sharp eye), Naruto isn't fast enough to overcome Kamui. He also isn't going to maintain Bijuu Mode for a longer period of time than Obito's intangibility.

stakes wont hit naruto because naruto is fast

i already explained about the bijuu and 6 paths

the genjutsu works off sound, how will obito know when its going to be used if he's focused on naruto? it only requires obito to hear it, even if just a little

naruto doesnt have to overcome kamui, as i've stated, naruto never used a large group of clones because it will make kamui nearly useless

 

[Paintry4]

Waaaa man, thats an lame excuse..... Kamui can suck in naruto to another dimension and there he can be left to die.... But as i think naruto will make out a wayy

 

[Draphsin]

lol naruto does not win

 

[SilverSlick]

obito cant fight while controling gedo mazo, remember he had to put the gedo mazo in a barrier while he fought?



its under "other", i didnt go through full details for them tho

Ohhhhhhh I see it now. I didn't really read the "other" section after frog song.

Anyways, I'll provide a counter in a few mins after I eat.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Pain CT was not full power it was stated in manga

And you fail to explain how he counters tbbs + gedo

did you read? i said you have no proof that kurama wouldnt break a bigger one too, we can only go by what we've seen in the manga

naruto already did that in the manga

 

[~Sovereign~]

Waaaa man, thats an lame excuse..... Kamui can suck in naruto to another dimension and there he can be left to die.... But as i think naruto will make out a wayy

you didnt read at all

lol naruto does not win

how does obito win?

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope, Naruto can't beat Obito, and your counters for Kamui and Rinnegan are invalid.

He doesn't need to suck Naruto in when he can rip off his cloak via Preta Path and then take his soul with Human Path. Human Path only took that long because Naruto used chakra arms to pull on his soul to stop Nagato from taking it. Not to mention Obito can just use Human Path by grabbing his head so he can't tug on it and pull his soul away. Don't even bring up a clone army because the most clones Naruto has ever been comfortable enough to make in BM is four BM Clones at once. Kurama already confirmed BM Naruto can't use clone armies when he told him " Some Shadow Clones should be ok now since I made you wait a while" obviously hinting there is a limit to how many clones he can make w/o having to worry about the duration of BM.

All of Naruto's attacks are absorbed via Preta Path. The only way for him to turn into stone is to absorb chakra directly from an SM Clone or SM Naruto for a short while, which isn't going to happen when Obito only needs to absorb his jutsu and his cloak. If he come in for Taijutsu, Preta Path will suck up his cloak just like it did to Bee when he fought Nagato.

Any clones are easily taken out using the 6 Bijuu, while Obito fights the real Naruto who is the only one able to replicate the Full Kurama cloak so Obito will know to go after this one, especially since the Full Kurama cloak is a bigger threat than clones who can't use the Full Kurama cloak. Taijutsu being a bad idea for Naruto due to Preta Path still stands here and Bijuu Dama can be absorbed or he phases right through it. Full Kurama cloak Naruto isn't nearly as fast as Human form BM Naruto so that makes him an easy target for Obito's Bijuu Suppressing Stakes, and once those latch on to Naruto its over as his Bijuu powers are pretty much useless.

And as a last resort, he can sacrifice his MS for a 10 minute Izanagi, which will render him invincible for the duration of the jutsu, also meaning that he will easily outlast Naruto's 8 minute Bijuu Mode. Once he reverts to base Obito swiftly kills him. So he has two ways to beat him, outlast Bijuu Mode or beat him in direct combat as mentioned above. Naruto isn't pulling Frog Song off against Obito, not when the Bijuu's TBB can blow the elder frogs to bits, or Obito can use Bansho Tennin like Pain did to attract and kill one of the frogs, or Obito can warp over to them and kill them both. Or he can turn his head intangible like Noddy mentioned rendering the Genjutsu useless.

No matter how you slice it Naruto can't win.

 

[Ichati]

Your points are good. But the problem with this kind of threads is that we usually underestimate the pretender's abilities. You clearly stated how each of Obito's skills could be countered, but we don't know how Obito can use them.

 

[OnPoint]

stakes wont hit naruto because naruto is fast

Just like he was fast enough to avoid the fan, or the stake without the aid of Kakashi's Kamui, or Obito's hand [

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] etc. No. Naruto isn't always moving at max speed, it is possible to hit him before he gets you, especially when you have a technique which prevents you from being hit at all.

i already explained about the bijuu and 6 paths

Well yeah, unfairly take away powers if it suits your argument.

the genjutsu works off sound, how will obito know when its going to be used if he's focused on naruto? it only requires obito to hear it, even if just a little

If Ma and Pa are with Naruto, then he'll be able to see when the technique is about to be used. Gamarinsho isn't instant, it takes time to catch the foe, they need to listen to the chant for a solid amount of time (the paths had been listening to it for a while before they were caught) [

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], leaving Obito with more than enough time to teleport his head (with his near-instant Kamui). If you're saying that the two frogs will be by themselves, then they'll be crushed or destroyed before they have time to prepare it.

naruto doesnt have to overcome kamui, as i've stated, naruto never used a large group of clones because it will make kamui nearly useless

No. Clones are crushed by the gunbai or Mokuton Sashiki if they get close.

 

[Jusanbi]

But Obito has the sharingan,he can easily tell which clone is the real Naruto.
Obito can summon the gedo mazo which is basically a statue containing 1to7 tailed beast with a tiny bit of 8 and 9 chakras meaning its probably on par with Bijuu cloaked kyuubi.

Not to mention Obito has his 6 paths of Pain which easily over whelmed KCM Narutbito has already proven that he can take on 4 kage level ninja's at once.

You obviously did not read the entire post.

Based on the manga thus far, Obito is unable to tell the real naruto from a clone.

Obito can no longer summon the Gedo Mazou, because it was the shell/body of Jubi.

All of the six paths have already been released due to edo tensei having been released, as well as the chakra rods being destroyed, why bother to consider it a factor?[rhetorical question]

 

[KidGamer65]

You obviously did not read the entire post.

Based on the manga thus far, Obito is unable to tell the real naruto from a clone.

Obito can no longer summon the Gedo Mazou, because it was the shell/body of Jubi.

All of the six paths have already been released due to edo tensei having been released, as well as the chakra rods being destroyed, why bother to consider it a factor?[rhetorical question]

Vs threads take the characters at the peak of their power in the manga, so nothing said in your posts applies to this match.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Nope, Naruto can't beat Obito, and your counters for Kamui and Rinnegan are invalid.

He doesn't need to suck Naruto in when he can rip off his cloak via Preta Path and then take his soul with Human Path. Human Path only took that long because Naruto used chakra arms to pull on his soul to stop Nagato from taking it. Not to mention Obito can just use Human Path by grabbing his head so he can't tug on it and pull his soul away. Don't even bring up a clone army because the most clones Naruto has ever been comfortable enough to make in BM is four BM Clones at once. Kurama already confirmed BM Naruto can't use clone armies when he told him " Some Shadow Clones should be ok now since I made you wait a while" obviously hinting there is a limit to how many clones he can make w/o having to worry about the duration of BM.

All of Naruto's attacks are absorbed via Preta Path. The only way for him to turn into stone is to absorb chakra directly from an SM Clone or SM Naruto for a short while, which isn't going to happen when Obito only needs to absorb his jutsu and his cloak. If he come in for Taijutsu, Preta Path will suck up his cloak just like it did to Bee when he fought Nagato.

Any clones are easily taken out using the 6 Bijuu, while Obito fights the real Naruto who is the only one able to replicate the Full Kurama cloak so Obito will know to go after this one, especially since the Full Kurama cloak is a bigger threat than clones who can't use the Full Kurama cloak. Taijutsu being a bad idea for Naruto due to Preta Path still stands here and Bijuu Dama can be absorbed or he phases right through it. Full Kurama cloak Naruto isn't nearly as fast as Human form BM Naruto so that makes him an easy target for Obito's Bijuu Suppressing Stakes, and once those latch on to Naruto its over as his Bijuu powers are pretty much useless.

And as a last resort, he can sacrifice his MS for a 10 minute Izanagi, which will render him invincible for the duration of the jutsu, also meaning that he will easily outlast Naruto's 8 minute Bijuu Mode. Once he reverts to base Obito swiftly kills him. So he has two ways to beat him, outlast Bijuu Mode or beat him in direct combat as mentioned above. Naruto isn't pulling Frog Song off against Obito, not when the Bijuu's TBB can blow the elder frogs to bits, or Obito can use Bansho Tennin like Pain did to attract and kill one of the frogs, or Obito can warp over to them and kill them both.
No matter how you slice it Naruto can't win.

did i say bm naruto will make the clones? no

km naruto is the one that will make the army, like in the link i posted

human path takes awhile so stop speculating bro, everytime we've seen human path, it never worked instantly so you are wrong (human path took awhile to remove shizunes soul and that was her head). My point is that it isnt fast enough for obito to use human path without clones attacking him

killer bee's cloak is obviously different than naruto's, naruto's chakra has yet to be absorbed, and if naruto's cloak can be absorbed with preta path, why didnt madara and obito do it already?

if obito uses preta path on naruto to absorb his cloak, then naruto can turn to sage mode and turn obito into a frog

BM naruto>6 bijuu, naruto even beat the 4 tails in KM mode

naruto is too fast for stakes to hit him like killer bee, killer bee is slow in hachibi mode

izanagi is only 1 minute......and obito will never be able to use kamui again and this fight will over soon as izanagi ends

naruto's tbb> other bijuu tbb FACT, so the frogs are safe

 

[TheSages456]

naruto wouldve done the things that you said if they could work. obito>naruto.

 

[KidGamer65]

did i say bm naruto will make the clones? no

km naruto is the one that will make the army, like in the link i posted

human path takes awhile so stop speculating bro, everytime we've seen human path, it never worked instantly so you are wrong (human path took awhile to remove shizunes soul and that was her head). My point is that it isnt fast enough for obito to use human path without clones attacking him

killer bee's cloak is obviously different than naruto's, naruto's chakra has yet to be absorbed, and if naruto's cloak can be absorbed with preta path, why didnt madara and obito do it already?

if obito uses preta path on naruto to absorb his cloak, then naruto can turn to sage mode and turn obito into a frog

BM naruto>6 bijuu, naruto even beat the 4 tails in KM mode

naruto is too fast for stakes to hit him like killer bee, killer bee is slow in hachibi mode

izanagi is only 1 minute......and obito will never be able to use kamui again and this fight will over soon as izanagi ends

naruto's tbb> other bijuu tbb FACT, so the frogs are safe

KM Naruto isnt making a clone army either, as there is a limit to the amount of chakra he took from the Kyuubi.

I never said Human Path is instant, I just said it won't be as slow as when Nagato did it on Naruto since he was tugging it back, and any clones that attempt to get close are taken care of by the Gedo or the Bijuu.

Naruto's cloak is chakra, Preta Path absorbs chakra, thats all there is to it, anything else you say on the matter is baseless speculation.

Nope, it took a few seconds before Naruto turned Preta into Frog vs. Pain, and that was because he absorbed chakra directly from his body. Obito is absorbing the cloak not Naruto's chakra so that isn't working.

BM Naruto beat 5 Bijuu not 6, and besides, Naruto will be busy with Obito and the Gedo so he isn't going to be fighting the Bijuu.

Kurama cloak BM Naruto isn't fast, only Human BM Cloak Naruto is so stakes will get him and they will suppress his Bijuu powers completely.

Obito's is 10 minutes, as he used it at the start of Konan's 10 min explosion and then the eye closed at the end of the 10 min explosion. So if he decides to take this route of action, he will definitely beat Naruto.

Naruto isn't blocking 6 TBB from multiple directions using his singe TBB, he can only block one since he can't fire TBB in multiple directions. So 5 TBB will still hit the surrounding area, damaging Naruto and the Toads and destroying any clones, but Obito can evade the Genjutsu anyway so none of this matters.

In fact disregard me even mentioning Izanagi as he can use Kamui parts at a time to evade Naruto's attacks

 

[Draphsin]

did i say bm naruto will make the clones? no

km naruto is the one that will make the army, like in the link i posted

human path takes awhile so stop speculating bro, everytime we've seen human path, it never worked instantly so you are wrong (human path took awhile to remove shizunes soul and that was her head). My point is that it isnt fast enough for obito to use human path without clones attacking him

killer bee's cloak is obviously different than naruto's, naruto's chakra has yet to be absorbed, and if naruto's cloak can be absorbed with preta path, why didnt madara and obito do it already?

if obito uses preta path on naruto to absorb his cloak, then naruto can turn to sage mode and turn obito into a frog

BM naruto>6 bijuu, naruto even beat the 4 tails in KM mode

naruto is too fast for stakes to hit him like killer bee, killer bee is slow in hachibi mode

izanagi is only 1 minute......and obito will never be able to use kamui again and this fight will over soon as izanagi ends

naruto's tbb> other bijuu tbb FACT, so the frogs are safe

KM clones still wont be enough to land a hit on obito, naruto kakashi and gai all couldnt land a hit on him and kakashi is the only reason obito even got hit, fact

All obito needs to do is grab naruto or use yaguras coral fist to subdue him and then he is easy pickings with human path

wrong naruto's cloak was absorbed via wood dragon so if that can do it then preta path can too. Preta path also makes tbb and rasengan useless

BM naruto with help>6bijuu, however gedo statue>BM naruto and Bee

The chakra stakes could be used when naruto is distracted by the 6P0P or gedo statue

obito doesnt need to use izagani lol

preta path>tbb
kamui>tbb

 

[~Sovereign~]

Your points are good. But the problem with this kind of threads is that we usually underestimate the pretender's abilities. You clearly stated how each of Obito's skills could be countered, but we don't know how Obito can use them.

i didnt say how obito will use his abilities, i just expained the situations that can occur with each ability

Just like he was fast enough to avoid the fan, or the stake without the aid of Kakashi's Kamui, or Obito's hand [

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] etc. No. Naruto isn't always moving at max speed, it is possible to hit him before he gets you, especially when you have a technique which prevents you from being hit at all.



Well yeah, unfairly take away powers if it suits your argument.



If Ma and Pa are with Naruto, then he'll be able to see when the technique is about to be used. Gamarinsho isn't instant, it takes time to catch the foe, they need to listen to the chant for a solid amount of time (the paths had been listening to it for a while before they were caught) [

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], leaving Obito with more than enough time to teleport his head (with his near-instant Kamui). If you're saying that the two frogs will be by themselves, then they'll be crushed or destroyed before they have time to prepare it.



No. Clones are crushed by the gunbai or Mokuton Sashiki if they get close.

you're comparing km naruto to bm naruto?? and naruto has been fight for 70+ chapter while obito is like 50+ chapters

what powers did i take away?

ma and pa only have to be with naruto until frog song is prepared, after its prepared they can go where they want

obito doesnt even know how to use gunbai like madara

 

[OnPoint]

you're comparing km naruto to bm naruto?? and naruto has been fight for 70+ chapter while obito is like 50+ chapters

You said Naruto would make KM clones, did you not?

what powers did i take away?

Well I saw you claim that the Bijuu weren't part of Obito's power.

ma and pa only have to be with naruto until frog song is prepared, after its prepared they can go where they want

Yeah, and it takes a while for that Genjutsu to be invoked. It's not instant. The target needs to hear a significant amount of the melody - Obito will have more than enough time to turn intangible and avoid the sound.

obito doesnt even know how to use gunbai like madara

Except he both (casually, might I add) destroyed a KM clone and reflected a Rasengan (without even holding the fan with his hand) with it [

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