[Discussion] Zoro

[Punk Hazard]

I see.

Zoro just had a different situation. One similar part of his development can be described as he initially even threatened Luffy and later on went to become pretty much the most loyal of the crew, to the point where he would force luffy to stay on the right path and put luffy's dream, specifically, before his own life long dream of becoming the WSS. And this is important because of how he was in the beginning. Obviously different events lead up to it.

And that's just one part of the characterization and it's development in the series. Zoro obviously doesn't have much backing him up when it comes to characterization from a backstory, even his own dream wasn't explored much but he good development regarding his ambition and relation with Luffy during his first confrontation with Mihawk within their travels. So I do think that what he get throughout the series do make up for it.

Becoming loyal to Luffy is something every Strawhat did. None of them is more loyal to Luffy than the other. Every Strawhat is willing to die and sacrifice their dream for Luffy.

Ambition isn't enough IMO. Everyone has ambition.

 

[loj]

Zoro literally tried to cut off his own legs when he was trapped by Mr. 3. He's exactly the kind of guy who'd lose an eye while training. Mihawk was probably trying to teach him Observation Haki, and spoke in the same vague way he spoke about Armament Haki. He more than likely said something like "You need to learn how to rely on more than just your eyes," and Zoro's extreme behavior that led him to try to slice off his own feet to escape Mr. 3 and suggest cutting off Usopp's hand to separate them when they were cuffed together on Enie's Lobby led him to slice his own eye, not realizing Mihawk meant Haki.

But we saw every information about why he got every scar.

Why not with eye as well.A foreshadow 100%

 

[Bogard]

It may or may not be blind but if we go by current standings nothing proves it's not. There is no definitive respond though but what i'm certain about is that there is a mystery behind it that will be explained down the line just like how it was explained how he learnt haki down the line(not necessarily a power-up or something, but something of great significance for Zoro)

 

[LitzSabr]

Becoming loyal to Luffy is something every Strawhat did. None of them is more loyal to Luffy than the other. Every Strawhat is willing to die and sacrifice their dream for Luffy.

Ambition isn't enough IMO. Everyone has ambition.

But not everyone's loyalty and relation with luffy(like: and you know this is just a minor

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) or ambition is explored to the extent zoro's is, that makes the difference. Except for luffy when it comes to ambition ofcourse. And then again, one's dream isn't the only thing they get expanded over in the series.

And this doesn't mean that aspects of others, relevant to their own character, aren't shown but zoro has these in good amount within the present timeline.

 

[Lance171]

zoros the man im sure hes hiding something

 

[Karna]

What possible power-up could come from his eyeball?

Alpha2slate, It think it was one of his, when Zoro used Ashura his right eye was shown to turn red, so he might have a similar like power in his right eye and keeps it close until necessary/to control it,(acc to theory)

here:
[video=youtube;TI2gqQRzZwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI2gqQRzZwI[/video]

 

[KingHashirama]

It could simply be something like Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach, the dude fights with 1 eye.

Zoro could simply want a challenge or w.e, which could be the case, as fighting with 1 eye would increase the difficulty of his fights.


#DarkKing

Usopp-Became less cowardly and has greater faith in himself, doesn't see himself as useless to the crew

Sanji- Learned dreams are worth dying for, as opposed to when he told Zoro what good is having a dream if you die.

Nami- Went from caring for no one else to showing concern for others, most dominantly shown in Punk Hazard to the children.

Brook- No longer cared about how he looked ridiculous in front of others because it's who he is

Franky- Takes pride in his creations, instead of denouncing them. That's why he so proudly uses his nipple lights.

Chopper- Embraced that he's a monster, making it positive rather than being negative

Luffy- acknowledged that he can't naively believe that everything will just work themselves out, and that he needs to have the strength to make things happen.

Robin- No longer suicidal, realizes she is loved.

Zoro - went from someone who didn't want to serve under anyone, to someone who thinks highly of his captain. That my friend is development.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It could simply be something like Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach, the dude fights with 1 eye.

Zoro could simply want a challenge or w.e, which could be the case, as fighting with 1 eye would increase the difficulty of his fights.


#DarkKing



Zoro - went from someone who didn't want to serve under anyone, to someone who thinks highly of his captain. That my friend is development.

Every Strawhat developed that. Like I said, he has no core development unique to himself from the rest of the SHs, which is why he's lacking.

 

[ToshiZO]

Every Strawhat developed that. Like I said, he has no core development unique to himself from the rest of the SHs, which is why he's lacking.

Zoro's has much more meaning behind his though. When he joined he said the most important thing to him was the WSS and if Luffy got in the way of that...he wouldn't think twice of leaving/ going against him. But now he puts Luffy above his own dream, despite specifically stating the opposite.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Zoro's has much more meaning behind his though. When he joined he said the most important thing to him was the WSS and if Luffy got in the way of that...he wouldn't think twice of leaving/ going against him. But now he puts Luffy above his own dream, despite specifically stating the opposite.

Last post stands to this too.

 

[LitzSabr]

Every Strawhat developed that. Like I said, he has no core development unique to himself from the rest of the SHs, which is why he's lacking.

Maybe they did but it still isn't the same, everybody's circumstances are different. Nobody else in the crew threatened luffy besides zoro. And even within the similar things I will give credit to, the most, as a character from whom saw this and in quite some cases initiated the change in mentality of others.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Maybe they did but it still isn't the same, everybody's circumstances are different. Nobody else in the crew threatened luffy besides zoro. And even within the similar things I will give credit to, the most, as a character from whom saw this and in quite some cases initiated the change in mentality of others.

That isn't really much of a difference. Having the same development but under different circumstances is still the same development.

 

[Zorø]

He actually is. He doesn't have any core development to his character that isn't shared by the rest of the crew, something that can be found in each member. In terms of character development, Zoro is the second worst Strawhat, just before Sanji.

In your opinion he is to me Zoro has plenty character development.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In your opinion he is to me Zoro has plenty character development.

I didn't say he didn't. I said he didn't develop in a way that the other Strawhats haven't as well.

 

[LitzSabr]

That isn't really much of a difference. Having the same development but under different circumstances is still the same development.

Lol nope. This can make a very big difference, the quality of both differs and the characterization of the one deciding is obviously superior.

Take the usopp leaving crew case as exmple, I will like zoro's character for what he did and made everyone realize the truth but that came from zoro's character originally, what he got built into. Maybe the other person's character also changed after he heard zoro but the character here originally explored was zoro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol nope. This can make a very big difference, the quality of both differs and the characterization of the one deciding is obviously superior.

Not really. Hell, by this logic, Franky is above Zoro in this development because he actually was Luffy's enemy and when from actually attempting to kill him to being ready to die for Luffy.

 

[LitzSabr]

Not really. Hell, by this logic, Franky is above Zoro in this development because he actually was Luffy's enemy and when from actually attempting to kill him to being ready to die for Luffy.

Zoro was a friend who said that he'd kill luffy if he got in the way of his dream. The situation isn't the same. Franky never threatened luffy after joining him.
Another thing, franky is ready, we all know. But who's loyalty between zoro and franky has been more expanded upon in the manga is clear as day. Quality differs.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Zoro was a friend who said that he'd kill luffy if he got in the way of his dream. The situation isn't the same. Franky never threatened luffy after joining him.
Another thing, franky is ready, we all know. But who's loyalty between zoro and franky has been more expanded upon in the manga is clear as day. Quality differs.

Zoro threatened Luffy on the first day they met. They weren't friends then.

Threatening to kill someone isn't as close to being enemies as actually trying to kill them. So, Franky's development to friendship and devotion was bigger/longer than Zoro's.

The loyalty of all the Strawhats are the same. None is more loyal nor do any have loyalty that's more important than the other.

 

[LitzSabr]

Zoro threatened Luffy on the first day they met. They weren't friends then.

Threatening to kill someone isn't as close to being enemies as actually trying to kill them. So, Franky's development to friendship and devotion was bigger/longer than Zoro's.

The loyalty of all the Strawhats are the same. None is more loyal nor do any have loyalty that's more important than the other.

By that I mean that he told that to luffy after becoming his subordinate.

Different circumstance, franky when he fought luffy didn't think of him as his captain or anything but later changed when he joined him. Zoro said it to luffy after he acknowledged him as his captain. And from that moment we saw him change slowly throughout the series.

I'm not arguing who is more loyal or not(although I'd still would've said zoro lel), I'm saying whose has received more development and focus from different angles, simply whose is more expanded-->who was given more characterization-->aka a better character.

 

[Punk Hazard]

By that I mean that he told that to luffy after becoming his subordinate.

Different circumstance, franky when he fought luffy didn't think of him as his captain or anything but later changed when he joined him. Zoro said it to luffy after he acknowledged him as his captain. And from that moment we saw him change slowly throughout the series.

I'm not arguing who is more loyal or not(although I'd still would've said zoro lel), I'm saying whose has received more development and focus from different angles, simply whose is more expanded-->who was given more characterization-->aka a better character.

So what? That doesn't change anything. They still weren't familiar with each other or bonded to each other. Zoro two seconds after he became Luffy's subordinate is still the same person 2 hours before he became Luffy's subordinate. There's no development or character change there.

So? Franky is still further along Zoro in this category because Franky developed from someone who was actively attempting to kill Luffy to someone who would die for Luffy. Franky went from hating Luffy to being devoted to him, while Zoro went from indifferent to devoted. Franky has come further, regardless of status as Luffy's subordinate.

Neither of them. Zoro took Luffy's pain, showing he'd die for Luffy. That's been the greatest display of Zoro's devotion to Luffy. Not only did Oda make it clear every single Strawhat would have done the same thing, but just before that every Strawhat chose death over giving Luffy up. There hasn't been any special characterization of Zoro's loyalty. There WAS when he took Luffy's pain, but that was made no longer special when it was stated any of them would have done the same thing.