[Discussion] Zoro vs Trafalgar Law
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Actually Law>Zoro is a fact. As Zoro and Sanji have been portrayed as weaker then Luffy while Kid and Law are Luffy's rivals. Luffy=Law=Kid. Right now it's Law who's about to fight Doflamingo (the guy who Luffy's supposed to beat this arc) and Fujitora (admiral) while Zoro is still stuck fighting the 2nd strongest character of the enemies crew.
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Only a couple said Zoro's>Law's. As Law cutting Vergo seeminly isn't taken as a Haki feat but a DF feat. At any rate. Vergo's Haki wasn't strong enough to resist getting cut by law. Zoro's Haki isn't as strong as Vergo's. Therefore Zoro can't resist it either.
Again with the assumptions
Luffy's haki is better than Vergo's
Zoro said that luffy's king haki makes him the stronger/captain of this straw hat crew
Smoker was able to get by Law's cutting powers w/haki<-----still didn't explain that
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It's not an assumption. It's manga fact. Zoro's only haki feat is that he was able to cut Monet's cheek. Until Zoro proves otherwise he can't do it.
Show me a scan of Zoro saying that so that i can counter it properly. I remember the scene but i don't remember what he said precisely. But i assure you. Luffy is leagues and miles above Zoro.
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Alright then.
According to the scan Zoro says that unless Luffy was capable of using CoC they would have to find a new captain. In no way or form does that imply that Zoro is superior to Luffy without CoC.
Firstly. Luffy tops Zoro in every feat known to man. Except for durability, that's debatable. Second. Zoro said that they would have to get a new captain. He didn't say that he would take over as the new captain, even if he had said that, it's not proof that Zoro>Luffy.
Zoro is closer to Sanji. Luffy got out of their league as soon as he learned Gear 2nd. Luffy has proved on many occasions that he's the strongest of the M3. Manga fact. I didn't want to make this too long as it's off-topic. If you want to change this into Zoro vs Luffy so be it (make a new thread preferrably). This thread is full of flame anyways.
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Wow, you don't know where i'm going with this....
It is implied that luffy needs to know kings haki to be above the rest, meaning that Zoro's armor could be<----emphasizing could be on par or close to luffy's.
No one said that zoro's armor haki is greater than luffy's..
Luffy did gain an intense strength in 2nd gear but saying he greatly surpass zoro is just nonsense...
Zoro fought Kaku and Jabra at the same time at one point, and Kaku is the second strongest in the cp9 group.
Saying that Zoro and Sanji are close in strength is far-fetch considering the fact that both luffy and zoro could easily slice/break through hard steal. Sanji couldn't even break Vergo's mass of iron, while Zoro cut through Kaku's iron body
Luffy doesn't need to have CoC to be above the rest. Pre-skip he was doing just fine without Haki. Roger and Rayleigh had CoC yet Roger was still above Rayleigh. Actually, it's not even confirmed that Roger had CoC and he's still above Rayleigh.
Nothing was implied, your speculating. While Luffy learned Gear 2nd, Zoro and Sanji learned Asura and DJ. Putting them somewhat close to Luffy but then Luffy went gear 3rd leaving them in the dust. Zoro never fought Kaku and Jyabyra.
Usopp fought Jyabura while Zoro fought Kaku. Sanji easily took out Jyabura while it took Zoro quite a while to beat Kaku. Accoring to Oda, Zoro=Sanji but the readers know that Zoro is slightly stronger.
Zoro has no way to counter Luffy's blinding speed. Taking to account the way his Pre-cog works, Zoro pretty much has no chance.
That's why Luffy isn't portrayed as Zoro's rival anymore. Btw, Sanji did break through Vergo's Tekkai (Mass of iron) even though he was wounded by Caesar's explosion, he was still capable of breaking through it. Not to mention that he was able to break Jyabura's tekkai aswell. So i don't know where you got that from.
What makes you think Sanji can't dent steel? Pacifista's are made of metal far stronger then steel and Sanji was able to break it's neck and kill it in one blow.
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1) No one said anything about rogers and rayleigh, especially when rogers only power said to be is to "hear the voice of all things," nothing is known about his haki powers so that statment is invalid.
2) Of course it was implied, why would he state that in the first place..smh idiot
Usopp didn't fight Jabru until he was released from Zoro's arm, other than that Zoro was figting both agents with usopp around one arm.
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3) How do you know that Zoro can't keep up with luffy's speed?
Beside this is on terms of haki not overall devil friut power to swords men, Rob lucci maybe the strongest but kaku wasn't to far behind.
4) Of Course Zoro hasn't portray luffy as a rival, he's the one trying to put everyone in line.
The only reason why Zoro stopped fight Luffy from the beginning is because he wanted to become a bounty hunter, he had no real intentions of becoming a pirate. Just paying his dues to luffy......
5) He never did break vergo's iron body, that's why he's leg got fractured or broken....He only burned through Jabru's, same thing with the pacifista
1) No, it's not. That only proves my point.
2) No. It wasn't implied. Your only misreading the comment. Zoro didn't say that he would become the new captain. He only said that they would have to find a captain who has CoC. Knowing Zoro, he was exaggerating. Zoro has said that if Luffy got in the way of his dreams he would kill him. Yet, he hasn't.
Zoro was keeping up with Jyabura and Kaku for a while until Sanji came in and Mid-diffed Jyabura. He would've gotten destroyed.
3) Zoro can't keep up with Luffy for many reasons. For starters. Luffy has Gear 2nd and Pre-cog. The way CoO works is that Luffy is able to predict the enemies movement. The more killing intent the enemy has the easier it is to predict their movement. Zoro's killing intent is enormous. Luffy would be reading him like an open book. Not to mention that Luffy blitzing Zoro is obvious. G2. Luffy tops Zoro in every feat except for Durability which is debatable.
4) That statement is invalid and has nothing to do with this. Zoro didn't want to become a bounty hunter, he wanted to become the greatest swordsman. Bounty hunting was his way of getting food. The reason why he joined Luffy's crew was to get to travel and become stronger thus becoming the greatest swordsman. He wanted to become a pirate. He even said that if Luffy gets in the way of his dreams he'll kill him. (i'm just waiting for you to reply to this one). Zoro used to be portrayed as a rival to Luffy but then Sanji came in and Luffy went G2 that's when it all ended.
5. What? He broke his shin because Vergo kicked him in the shin with Haki armor. Jeez. Sanji broke Vergo's armor when he kicked him with DJ. Sanji didn't burn through the pacifista's neck. You can clearly see that he broke it's neck with sheer physical strength. He even says it. So i don't know why your even trying to debate that.
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He didn't burn through Jyabura's tekkai either. Sanji broke Jyabura's tekkai multiple times without DJ. Where are you getting your info from? because their certainly not from the manga. Your only making speculations to fit your own agenda instead of using manga proven facts. I could easily do the same. It's only making you look desperate.
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As far as what I've seen, Law > Zoro. He embarrassed smoker, was able to defeat vergo and I still haven't seen much of zoro's newly acquired skills. My answer is susceptible to change if zoro's feats gets revealed, but for now it's clear to me Law is better.
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1) You got to do better than that....Completely different people, especially in attitude/power (on Rayleigh's part)
2) Im misleading? Manga scan disagree's, you haven't said anything that has the manga in it.
All you did was pulll this bullsh*t out of your @ss "Uh knowing Zoro he was exaggerating or something,"<-----That's f*cking exaggerating, how do you know if he was exaggerating? Simple, you don't!
Another bullsh*t is the second statement when you said he would of gotten destroyed, wtf are you trolling sh*t out of you're a$$?
Exactly what was the two agents doing towards Zoro? They simply couldn't penetrate his defenses, zoro didn't even put on the headband for starters<-----when zoro is seriously fighting, so that stupid statement you made earlier is invalid.
3) first off show me a scan that says zoro can't keep up with second gear luffy<-----I've been waiting for an answer
Lastly Luffy and zoro have observation haki you twit.
Do you know what happens when two people have observation haki?<-----Even Law doesn't have that......
Zoro can read luffy as well, this is a Law vs Zoro fight stay on topic for once.
Luffy is the medium set for these individuals^^
5) Vergo never used haki, he said that he's body was a mass of armor not haki you baseless-being
Here is said he burned through Jabru:
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Never did Jabru said Sanji broke his iron mass<----Show me a scan saying he did, otherwise stfu.
Sanji can burn through steel, enough said.
Clearly you're reading a different manga, because most of these things you said are full of sh*t
I find this funny. Zoro always exaggerates. Zoro said that he would kill Luffy if he got in the way of his dream. He still hasn't done so. You didn't even counter my argument and only focused your whole attention in one word. Zoro never said that he would end up becoming the captain. He said they would have to find a new one. <<Fact. Manga facts trump your words. Even if he didn't exaggerate your point is still irrelevant because he didn't say that he would become the captain.
Kaku alone was putting up a fight against Zoro. Zoro barely won. Kaku+Jyabura=Annihilation. If you claim that Zoro could of solo'd them then i suggest you re-read the manga. Actually. I could claim that Sanji could've solo'd them aswell since your doing the same. I don't do it because unlike your claims. The manga supports mine.
I could ask you the same thing. Show me a scan proving that Zoro can keep up with Luffy. Taking into account Luffy's speed and Pre-cog (and the way pre-cog works against Zoro), Zoro just doesn't stand a chance. Besides. How does Zoro counter Elephant gatling gun?
Luffy's speed.
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How? show me a scan that shows Zoro using CoO as well as Luffy. Even if Zoro can predict Luffy's movements it doesn't matter because Zoro isn't fast enough to react to them.
Don't be foolish. Those scans that your giving me are broken links. The mass of iron Sanji is talking about is referring to Tekkai.
Here he breaks Vergo's Tekkai
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Here he breaks Jyabura's Tekkai.
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Sanji can burn through and break steel.
Yet, you've failed to counter any of them. Sanji's kick broke Pacifista's neck? you countered with him burning it's neck and i proved you wrong. Manga facts trump your words.
Don't reply to this post. Your clearly going to come back with more fantasies. Debating you is like talking to a rock. Even if you reply to my post i wont reply back. I'm done with you permanently. What's the point of you debating about something you clearly know nothing of. I suggest you stay away from versus threads. Nobody wants to debate an idiot.
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