[VS] Zoro vs Mihawk

[ssjelf]

He still has Yonko level speed, stamina, strength, endurance and durability. Only thing hindered is his offensive power, which doesn't matter much because speed blitz followed by a wind pipe stab.

Keep telling yourself that, it's clear you didn't understand the point of the training and I'm sure you think it makes sense for Rayleigh to say two years isn't enough for the basics, but that's enough time to shoot Zoro from being one shotted by Kuma to pushing Mihawk's speed, durability, endurance and stamina to mid or high diff. All of which is Yonko class based on portrayal so far. Meanwhile, two men of his superior barely brought down someone below Yonko.

He overcame that barrier. Haki and Yonko level stats are just the new ones in his face and he's not ready for that yet.

I actually haven't seen mihawk show any speed, strength, stamina, or durability feats. Only feat he has is being WSS and the connection with shanks. His main fight was against vista who seemed to be doing a decent job in holding him off from luffy. If mihawkw as a strong as you hype him to be, wouldnt mihawk have easily dispatched vista to go after luffy again. Luffy managed to avoid being blitzed by him even though mihawk stated he wouldnt hold back. I'm certain mihawk let luffy go because vista showed up, but vista wasn't as easily dealt with as a yonkou level opponent should have been able to do.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I actually haven't seen mihawk show any speed, strength, stamina, or durability feats. Only feat he has is being WSS and the connection with shanks. His main fight was against vista who seemed to be doing a decent job in holding him off from luffy. If mihawkw as a strong as you hype him to be, wouldnt mihawk have easily dispatched vista to go after luffy again. Luffy managed to avoid being blitzed by him even though mihawk stated he wouldnt hold back. I'm certain mihawk let luffy go because vista showed up, but vista wasn't as easily dealt with as a yonkou level opponent should have been able to do.

Power scaling. WSS puts him above Shanks, so it's most reasonable to place his stats on that of a Yonko's level.

You're underestimating Vista. Parallel portrayals are tricky, but he's been portrayed on the level of Marco, who stalemate with Kizaru who's been portrayed in the same light as Akainu. Subtle portrayals.

Mihawk was clearly holding back. Daz Bones blocked a slash from him that was aiming for Luffy and was then sliced down with no difficulty by the same guy mere seconds later.

 

[ssjelf]

Power scaling. WSS puts him above Shanks, so it's most reasonable to place his stats on that of a Yonko's level.

You're underestimating Vista. Parallel portrayals are tricky, but he's been portrayed on the level of Marco, who stalemate with Kizaru who's been portrayed in the same light as Akainu. Subtle portrayals.

Mihawk was clearly holding back. Daz Bones blocked a slash from him that was aiming for Luffy and was then sliced down with no difficulty by the same guy mere seconds later.

Why even mention not holding back then?

 

[Bogard]

Why even mention not holding back then?

Simple, he never mentioned it. In the correct translation he said he won't be merciless and not being merciless =/= not holding back

 

[ssjelf]

Simple, he never mentioned it. In the correct translation he said he won't be merciless and not being merciless =/= not holding back

Got a scan?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why even mention not holding back then?

It doesn't matter. Call it difference of interpretation, call it inconsistency. Daz Bones is proof he wasn't going all out.

 

[ssjelf]

It doesn't matter. Call it difference of interpretation, call it inconsistency. Daz Bones is proof he wasn't going all out.

he also threw some slashes at luffy that cut the giant ice wall

 

[Punk Hazard]

he also threw some slashes at luffy that cut the giant ice wall

And? He also threw slashes that barely cut into the ground a few feet. Mihawk wasn't going all out.

 

[ssjelf]

And? He also threw slashes that barely cut into the ground a few feet. Mihawk wasn't going all out.

In your opinion he wasn't. And I am not really trying to make the point that he was. The point is that Mihawk was trying to beat luffy and failed to do so in the time he had. You are trying to say Mihawk can blitz zoro using the knife. I fail to see how Mihawk could do that now when zoro should be much stronger than pre skip luffy. Using the knife means he is holding back, I don't think using the knife he can do any of the things he did at marine ford except cut daz bones. He still also has no speed feats to suggest he can blitz zoro and no physical strength or durability strength that put him above zoro. The only thing you have is his title and how that might relate to shanks. Ultimately Mihawk draws his power from offensive capability and by using his knife he is limiting that severely.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In your opinion he wasn't. And I am not really trying to make the point that he was. The point is that Mihawk was trying to beat luffy and failed to do so in the time he had. You are trying to say Mihawk can blitz zoro using the knife. I fail to see how Mihawk could do that now when zoro should be much stronger than pre skip luffy. Using the knife means he is holding back, I don't think using the knife he can do any of the things he did at marine ford except cut daz bones. He still also has no speed feats to suggest he can blitz zoro and no physical strength or durability strength that put him above zoro. The only thing you have is his title and how that might relate to shanks. Ultimately Mihawk draws his power from offensive capability and by using his knife he is limiting that severely.

If Mihawk was going all out from the beginning, why werent all of his slashes doing the same amount of damage? If Mihawk was using all he had, how could he use more to slice through Daz?

 

[ssjelf]

If Mihawk was going all out from the beginning, why werent all of his slashes doing the same amount of damage? If Mihawk was using all he had, how could he use more to slice through Daz?

Re read the second sentence of my previous post.

 

[ToshiZO]

Power scaling. WSS puts him above Shanks, so it's most reasonable to place his stats on that of a Yonko's level.

You're underestimating Vista. Parallel portrayals are tricky, but he's been portrayed on the level of Marco, who stalemate with Kizaru who's been portrayed in the same light as Akainu. Subtle portrayals.

Mihawk was clearly holding back. Daz Bones blocked a slash from him that was aiming for Luffy and was then sliced down with no difficulty by the same guy mere seconds later.

Tell me how strong Vista is then? He was a no show against any Admiral, against Akainu on panel it was only Marco holding Akainu off Vista was not put in a different light than Crocodile.

Crocodile even managed to cheap shot and stop Akainu for a bit, its what happens after which counts more. Where was Vista? It was Marco who was doing the fighting as far as we know and that's for a good reason.

 

[KingHashirama]

No they aren't, the OP community seems to think characters who have short skirmishes with Admirals should be put on some level far above the SNs, creating a seemingly even bigger gap between them and Admirals.

All those clashes they had with admirals are faulty, Fujitora wanted to be held back by Sabo , Marco kicked Kizaru and did no damage. Jozus best feat is hitting a distracted Aokiji who was fighting the WSM. Vista didn't even get an upper hand on Mihawk who wasn't taking the fight all that serious.

It took Marco + Vista to actually harm Akainu and even still the attack did minimum damage, and this is after there comrade was magma fisted through the chest, their Haki should have been stronger than ever.

Sabo had bruises even though Fuji wanted to be held back, Jozu was one shotted as soon as he got distracted.

You can't seriously sit here and tell me if G4 was in any of these situations he would look worse, a KKG would definitely give a distracted Aokiji more than a nose bleed, Marcos kicks are no where near as devastating as G4 attacks have been portrayed to be, G4 nearly tore a whole town In two. Luffy was dodging attacks from a non serious Mihawk pre skip, no reason he couldn't do the same now.

I'm not saying that the SN can give an Admiral a tough fight but there not fodder stomping them like they could pre skip.

And there was no reason for the WB commanders or Sabo to hold back they had family they wanted to protect. The Admirals couldn't be pushed by those guys to go all out.

If the WB commanders and Sabo are really stronger than Luffy, the gap is small at best.

Sabo wrecked Burgess neg-diff dude..... Yes Fujitora wanted to be held back, but you are making it seem like Sabo went all out to hold him back.


Luffy stands no chance against an Admiral, and would be wrecked hard. He couldn't even beat Mingo on his own..

 

[OG sama]

Sabo wrecked Burgess neg-diff dude..... Yes Fujitora wanted to be held back, but you are making it seem like Sabo went all out to hold him back.


Luffy stands no chance against an Admiral, and would be wrecked hard. He couldn't even beat Mingo on his own..

Sabo was holding back even though his brother was endanger of being killed by an admiral? Sorry no, and if you are referring to him holding back due to later attacks, that's easier said than done.

Attacks like flaming dragon claw aren't easily landing on an Admiral without some kind of opening.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sabo was holding back even though his brother was endanger of being killed by an admiral? Sorry no, and if you are referring to him holding back due to later attacks, that's easier said than done.

Attacks like flaming dragon claw aren't easily landing on an Admiral without some kind of opening.

Sabo was holding back against an admiral, who was wasting time with him, instead of actually going after his brother. Sabo isn't an idiot lol.

That Raging tiger isn't gonna work on sabo without any openings either. =D.

 

[OG sama]

Sabo was holding back against an admiral, who was wasting time with him, instead of actually going after his brother. Sabo isn't an idiot lol.

That Raging tiger isn't gonna work on sabo without any openings either. =D.

Lol nice try, Fuji told him to have some compassion and Sabo said he doesn't discriminate.

Too bad that clearly isn't one of his stronger attacks.

Then again, maybe your right, I just went and reread it and I find it kind of hard to interpret.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol nice try, Fuji told him to have some compassion and Sabo said he doesn't discriminate.

Too bad that clearly isn't one of his stronger attacks.

Then again, maybe your right, I just went and reread it and I find it kind of hard to interpret.

From what hes shown that is one of his stronger attacks.
"He doesn't discriminate" = going all out?, if that is the case, then why did they still stalemate when Fujitora got serious as well? They were in a stalemate before that conversation, and after that conversation. Yet you are claiming Sabo had been going all out. Did Fujitora not want to kill the 2nd-in command of the Revolutionaries??

From what I got, both of them didn't go out. Only time Sabo probably did go "serious mode" in that arc was against burgess when he wrecked him XD.

 

[OG sama]

From what hes shown that is one of his stronger attacks.
"He doesn't discriminate" = going all out?, if that is the case, then why did they still stalemate when Fujitora got serious as well? They were in a stalemate before that conversation, and after that conversation. Yet you are claiming Sabo had been going all out. Did Fujitora not want to kill the 2nd-in command of the Revolutionaries??

From what I got, both of them didn't go out. Only time Sabo probably did go "serious mode" in that arc was against burgess when he wrecked him XD.

Lol looks like you got me man, +rep for a good debate.

I guess I will wait and see how Luffy fares compared to Fujitora before I decide how Luffy compares to Sabo.

I think Luffy got a bit stronger after his fight with Doflamingo. I mean why else would Oda waste his time with Luffys declaration if he's just going to get fodderized?

I expect Luffy to hold his own just like Sabo.

 

[Relostar Devil]

No point of discussing offtopics things bcoz this thread is about zoro vs mihawk andzoro wins extreme diff. That's it.

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

Zoro low difficulty. His knife is overpowered and cut right in half. If people still think the gap between Zoro and Mihawk is that large you need to evaluate yourself.​

^^ this right here