[VS] Zoro vs Mihawk

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No, he's not. There are a lot of reasons Fuji couldn't do anything to Bird Cage.



No,Luffy couldn't. KKG only knocked out Doffy because he was severely weakened by 51 minutes of Gear 4 assault and Gamma Knife. Even with those two, Luffy needed the help of dozens of people to keep Doffy from killing him after G4. A nearly killed Doffy could walk while Luffy was laying immobile on the ground. Doffy at full strength would have easily killed Luffy after G4 ran out.
Stop bullshitting and fanboying, focus on the match z.z
 

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Distracted means nothing if you have good CoO, this was pretty much explained when rayleigh dodged the elephant despite not knowing it was there, or do you not call that being "distracted"?

He still felt pain, meaning akainu's defense was not good enough to completely nullify the effect for god's sake, why do people forget? I can give you the panel to if you want.


Not really, they had some good feats against top tire characters which all of the M3 lack...
Its a war, and a war full of people. Aokiji isn't untouchable, he's going to be hindered a lot needing to kill a man and then having another powerful guy coming right for him. He's going to get hit, it still doesn't change the fact the kick did no real damage.

Yeah with Vistas help, you can't act like Vista wasn't helping. Even with Vista the attack was only called a nuisance, what part of that don't you understand? You talk about forgetting but act like Vista wasn't helping. Or what? Did you think the attack was suppose to make only Marco look good? When it took both their efforts?

They had some clashes with Top tiers that resulted in them doing no real damage unless they were focused on another powerful opponent.

Those clashes are faulty at best.
 
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None were stated in manga or even hinted for that matter but ok, I guess.
That's the beauty of common sense. If Fujitora used gravity to push the cage into the air, it would spread widely and hurt the people around him and destroy more of Dressrosa.

If he pushed it on direction, it would have just moved faster through the country, killing many.

If he cut it, the strings would whip around due to all the tension being released, making them just as dangerous.
 

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To me Mihawk is more reliant on his fighting style than the other top tiers. For example take away Shanks sword and I honestly don't think he's that nerfed, take away Mihawks blade and he takes quite a big step backwards. He should still win because he should still be superior in Haki, Durability, and Speed. But he cannot take Zoro lightly at all he would have to go all out to win with that toy.
 

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^This.

People still acting like the M3 and Supernovas are still fodder to Top tiers, I can't wait until that crap gets put in the ground for good when an arc or 2 from now Luffy and Zoro are busting out Marco level feats.
@bold, the thing is.. They are. Sabo would probably Merck Luffy or Zoro as well.
 

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No, he's not. There are a lot of reasons Fuji couldn't do anything to Bird Cage.



No,Luffy couldn't. KKG only knocked out Doffy because he was severely weakened by 51 minutes of Gear 4 assault and Gamma Knife. Even with those two, Luffy needed the help of dozens of people to keep Doffy from killing him after G4. A nearly killed Doffy could walk while Luffy was laying immobile on the ground. Doffy at full strength would have easily killed Luffy after G4 ran out.
Luffy wasted a lot of his haki in the colosseum got damaged by bellamy exhausted himself and thats nothing to you?? doffy was just sitting there the whole time.

Doffy couldn't even keep up with luffy's speed in G4 Luffy destroyed his ultimate defense... what are you talking about??
 

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Oh.....this is different.....

Mihawk still wins and I dare say low difficulty. In case anyone says that the knife is too weak, Mihawk said that any sword can become yoto class with CoA. It isn't breaking.
That is then. This is now. Right now, Luffy would get beaten by Doflamingo who is arguably at the bottom of the list of big dogs. Zoro even more so.
Oda did that Time skip for a reason.... you are sounding like its just had been only a two days since zoro and mihawk fought. Mihawk is still stronger than him but cant take out with that small knife. Simply underestimating zoro and overpowering mihawk everytimes wont make him a younkou level person....... Doffy was already a very strong fighter and he isnt at a bottom of a list. Just bcoz he work for kaidou, doesnt make him weak. Many people says that he shits his pants when he heard the name kaidou but that never happened. Luffy surely took help but only of law's, no other person interfered in their fight.
Seeing as how much struggle Luffy had with Doffy, the gap between Zoro and a Yonko-level fighter is hella high. Mihawk wins low diff.
Just when mihawk became a yonkou level fighter??? Just bcoz he has a duel with a younkou doesnt make him as stronger than them. Your whole statement is just a plain stupid....
 

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Doflamingo is low Admiral level, Marco is low-mid like a little higher than low but not a mid lvl, you gotta be dumb if you don't consider Luffy mid admiral lvl and Law a high shichibukai level along with Zoro being mid-high like higher than mid and a little lower than high.
Bruh..?
 

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Oda did that Time skip for a reason.... you are sounding like its just had been only a two days since zoro and mihawk fought. Mihawk is still stronger than him but cant take out with that small knife. Simply underestimating zoro and overpowering mihawk everytimes wont make him a younkou level person....... Doffy was already a very strong fighter and he isnt at a bottom of a list. Just bcoz he work for kaidou, doesnt make him weak. Many people says that he shits his pants when he heard the name kaidou but that never happened. Luffy surely took help but only of law's, no other person interfered in their fight.

Just when mihawk became a yonkou level fighter??? Just bcoz he has a duel with a younkou doesnt make him as stronger than them. Your whole statement is just a plain stupid....
Well, Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman which puts him above Shanks.

He also duels with Shanks so much that their duels are called legendary by the strongest man in the world who lived in the great pirate age. That's not possible if they're not on the same level
 

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Oh.....this is different.....

Mihawk still wins and I dare say low difficulty. In case anyone says that the knife is too weak, Mihawk said that any sword can become yoto class with CoA. It isn't breaking.
The only issue with this is that mihawk adimitedely said that by not using his sword, he wasnt trying at all. Which means that his actual fighting strength even with a hardened CoA knife isnt even near his supposed yonkou level of fighting. I dont think he could take doffy even using just that knife. Which means mihawk might still beat zoro but at high diff minimum. But i dont think you can get away with not trying against zoro anymore. Look at vista vs mihawk, he took vista at least semi seriously and used his sword. Zoro might not be vista level, but by mihawk only using his knife, he is put at a handicap that should simulate those conditions at least, if not then zoro would be pushing mihawk.

Seeing as how much struggle Luffy had with Doffy, the gap between Zoro and a Yonko-level fighter is hella high. Mihawk wins low diff.
You read the post right? Cross knife only for mihawk. If you did, see my above reply in this post, if not...
 

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Well, Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman which puts him above Shanks.

He also duels with Shanks so much that their duels are called legendary by the strongest man in the world who lived in the great pirate age. That's not possible if they're not on the same level
You don't even know if Shanks is a swordsman, or just a pirate who also uses a sword. Would Law qualify as a swordsman because he uses a sword while his main power is his devil fruit and he never actually cuts with his sword ?

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Mihawk is still the better swordsman and the size of the sword isn't going to matter because he will still outclass oro and find a gap in his defense. So even if he uses a giant sword, 3 swords, that cross sword, a butter knife or a toothpick. Mihawk will get to Zoro.

And a tiny sword in the other eye will also end the fight.
 

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The only issue with this is that mihawk adimitedely said that by not using his sword, he wasnt trying at all. Which means that his actual fighting strength even with a hardened CoA knife isnt even near his supposed yonkou level of fighting. I dont think he could take doffy even using just that knife. Which means mihawk might still beat zoro but at high diff minimum. But i dont think you can get away with not trying against zoro anymore. Look at vista vs mihawk, he took vista at least semi seriously and used his sword. Zoro might not be vista level, but by mihawk only using his knife, he is put at a handicap that should simulate those conditions at least, if not then zoro would be pushing mihawk.



You read the post right? Cross knife only for mihawk. If you did, see my above reply in this post, if not...
I know what knife. Changes nothing about my post. Mihawk's Haki will still be superior. His strength, durability, speed, all will be superior.

And to people thinking Zoro isn't that far from Mihawk, Law, someone above Zoro and on Luffy's general level, was awestruck at Fujitora pulling a single meteor. Fuji then said that was practice. And Akainu was spamming shit like that at Marineford. So yeah, they're not at the top tier.

You don't even know if Shanks is a swordsman, or just a pirate who also uses a sword. Would Law qualify as a swordsman because he uses a sword while his main power is his devil fruit and he never actually cuts with his sword ?

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Mihawk is still the better swordsman and the size of the sword isn't going to matter because he will still outclass oro and find a gap in his defense. So even if he uses a giant sword, 3 swords, that cross sword, a butter knife or a toothpick. Mihawk will get to Zoro.

And a tiny sword in the other eye will also end the fight.
A swordsman is anyone who consistently and regularly wields a sword. Law qualifies as a swordsman, he just uses his DF to compliment his swordplay. If using an external power with your sword means you're no longer a swordsman, even if that power compliments your swordplay, then any swordsman that uses Haki isn't a swordsman.

Every time Shanks ends up in a conflict, big or small, he reaches for his sword. As a kid on Roger's ship, he was using his sword in battle. When he thought Ace wanted to fight, he reached for his sword. At Marineford, he drew his sword. When Whitebeard swung his bisento at him, he chose to parry with his sword. His skill and usage is proficient enough that he can duel with the World's Strongest Swordsman on a scale that the strongest man in the world who lived through the great pirate age and belittled the likes of Akainu, Kizaru and Kuzan, three monsters, considered them legendary. You have to be drooling as you just gaze at the pictures ignoring the words to not think Shanks is a swordsman.
 

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Doflamingo is scared of Kaido - Yonko.
Yonko-level pirate is someone who could take on a yonko on 1v1 fight and either lose mid-extreme diff or win . Doffy didn;t have the men power, nor the enough courage to take on kaido, since his business ,family and his national secret were on the line. Plus I'm yet to see one feat from mihawk that makes him a yonko level pirate, people tend to say that it's because he's the world strongest swordsman and that puts him above shanks, but on the other hand oda and the manga actually, said that yonko are above all other pirates in terms of strength, and mihawk is a shichibukai aka a pirate with a frozen bounty and therefore either this shit is totally inconsistent or shanks simply isn't a swordsman, you choose.
 

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Yonko-level pirate is someone who could take on a yonko on 1v1 fight and either lose mid-extreme diff or win . Doffy didn;t have the men power, nor the enough courage to take on kaido, since his business ,family and his national secret were on the line. Plus I'm yet to see one feat from mihawk that makes him a yonko level pirate, people tend to say that it's because he's the world strongest swordsman and that puts him above shanks, but on the other hand oda and the manga actually, said that yonko are above all other pirates in terms of strength, and mihawk is a shichibukai aka a pirate with a frozen bounty and therefore either this shit is totally inconsistent or shanks simply isn't a swordsman, you choose.
No Yonko is mid diffing someone of their strength level.

Read what I said to Love Cook about their clashes. If Mihawk and Shanks weren't on the same level, that'd be impossible.
 

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I know what knife. Changes nothing about my post. Mihawk's Haki will still be superior. His strength, durability, speed, all will be superior.

And to people thinking Zoro isn't that far from Mihawk, Law, someone above Zoro and on Luffy's general level, was awestruck at Fujitora pulling a single meteor. Fuji then said that was practice. And Akainu was spamming shit like that at Marineford. So yeah, they're not at the top tier.



A swordsman is anyone who consistently and regularly wields a sword. Law qualifies as a swordsman, he just uses his DF to compliment his swordplay. If using an external power with your sword means you're no longer a swordsman, even if that power compliments your swordplay, then any swordsman that uses Haki isn't a swordsman.

Every time Shanks ends up in a conflict, big or small, he reaches for his sword. As a kid on Roger's ship, he was using his sword in battle. When he thought Ace wanted to fight, he reached for his sword. At Marineford, he drew his sword. When Whitebeard swung his bisento at him, he chose to parry with his sword. His skill and usage is proficient enough that he can duel with the World's Strongest Swordsman on a scale that the strongest man in the world who lived through the great pirate age and belittled the likes of Akainu, Kizaru and Kuzan, three monsters, considered them legendary. You have to be drooling as you just gaze at the pictures ignoring the words to not think Shanks is a swordsman.
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so by that logic captain kidd is a swordsman for constantly holding a dagger ....

Also, yonko aren't always equal, they just have the same rank, for example the likes of doffy and mihawk would destroy moriah, yet they have the same title. I personally believe that shanks is a multi style fighter, like kaku for example, he uses swords yet he can land the same amount of damage using his rokushiki.


Kizaru and kuzan used swords, but does that qualify them as swordmen?
 
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so by that logic captain kidd is a swordsman for constantly holding a dagger ....

Also, yonko aren't always equal, they just have the same rank, for example the likes of doffy and mihawk would destroy moriah, yet they have the same title. I personally believe that shanks is a multi style fighter, like kaku for example, he uses swords yet he can land the same amount of damage using his rokushiki.


Kizaru and kuzan used swords, but does that qualify them as swordmen?
A dagger is a dagger, not a sword...

Yonko is vastly different in concept than a Shichibukai.

Kizaru wielded a sword once, he didn't do so consistently or regularly. Kuzan made a spike of ice, barely qualifies as a sword, and he he hasn't used it enough.

Kaku also proves my point. He's a martial artist using 6 different powers independent from his swords and is still considered a swordsman.
 
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