[VS] Zoro vs Law

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That means absolutely nothing when the fishman himself is extremely weak by the standards of the people we're talking about.

He wasn't "extremely" weak that's you marginalizing again. If he was "extremely" weak then Luffy wouldn't have had the issue with him he did. He never had Luffy at any real risk but Luffy didn't walk over him either.

Sure, Zoro outsped Hody. Are you saying that Law, Doffy, and Sanji wouldn't? Are you saying they'd do it worse? Again, if Hody himself isn't impressive against the league we're talking about, then the feat is useless.

Underwater? No Law and Doffy wouldn't be able to move underwater as well as Zoro. The whole point is doing it underwater where movement speed is drastically reduced against an opponent in a habitat that boosts his abilities. Unless you can bring up an actual equivalent scenario to compare all your detractions are useless.

No it's not lmao. Hody himself can't keep up with Shambles, so how does Zoro outpacing Hody underwater prove he can do it? Unless Hody moving underwater is comparable to Shambles, it means nothing.

Because of the stat boost given to Hody at the time and the stat detraction from Zoro at the time means the feat was even more challenging. You've been in water before right? You know how much harder it is to move, so if you can have fast reactions while completely submerged why wouldn't you have better levels of reactions on land?

As for Kuma he has instant transportation abilities that's equivalent to Shambles' instant transportation. In that clip he manages to throw Zoro back then be there behind him essentially as he lands(there's some screen time delay because we see Zoro's dazed eyes and Usopp but the fact we don't see Kuma arrive but already there implies he arrived before Zoro finished rolling there.

Also did you really say he only ripped his coat? Did you even rewatch the fight he posted? Maybe should have, he rips his whole shoulder open and dents the metal. You can pause it at 3:19. You act like Kuma doesn't have enough weight on his name in the manga to stay up to par with the characters he'll be brought back into the story with later. Kuma will(more than likely) pop back up with the inclusion of Vegapunk or the Revs and he'll need to be able to keep up with the level at that point which means he'll(more than likely) show you those feats you ask for knowing he hasn't had a proper showing(as if that's proof of something)

 

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As for Kuma he has instant transportation abilities that's equivalent to Shambles' instant transportation. In that clip he manages to throw Zoro back then be there behind him essentially as he lands(there's some screen time delay because we see Zoro's dazed eyes and Usopp but the fact we don't see Kuma arrive but already there implies he arrived before Zoro finished rolling there.

Also did you really say he only ripped his coat? Did you even rewatch the fight he posted? Maybe should have, he rips his whole shoulder open and dents the metal. You can pause it at 3:19. You act like Kuma doesn't have enough weight on his name in the manga to stay up to par with the characters he'll be brought back into the story with later. Kuma will(more than likely) pop back up with the inclusion of Vegapunk or the Revs and he'll need to be able to keep up with the level at that point which means he'll(more than likely) show you those feats you ask for knowing he hasn't had a proper showing(as if that's proof of something)

Lets not forget that this is pre ts zoro trying to fight high shichibukai lvl guy like doffy:sdo:

 

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He wasn't "extremely" weak that's you marginalizing again. If he was "extremely" weak then Luffy wouldn't have had the issue with him he did. He never had Luffy at any real risk but Luffy didn't walk over him either.

No, he was extremely weak. Throughout that entire fight, he was getting knocked down and reacting to Gear Second the same way Gladius did in Dressrosa. Hody got one hit in on Luffy, and he happened to cause major bleeding with that hit. The only reason Luffy was ever in danger in that fight was because of that one bad, lucky hit. Luffy only had trouble with Hody otherwise when Hody went into the water because Luffy himself can't swim. Hody is weak as shit

Underwater? No Law and Doffy wouldn't be able to move underwater as well as Zoro.

Based on ****ing what exactly? Doflamingo, with his body severely damaged, could physically blitz a Gear Fourth Luffy. Law has kept up with Doflamingo and countered his fastest attack, what the hell suggests Zoro can do better than them?

The whole point is doing it underwater where movement speed is drastically reduced against an opponent in a habitat that boosts his abilities. Unless you can bring up an actual equivalent scenario to compare all your detractions are useless.

So you're telling me that Hody in water is comparable to Zoro and Doflamingo on land? Get the **** outta here.

As for Kuma he has instant transportation abilities that's equivalent to Shambles' instant transportation.

This is something you just made up. We have seen how things being pushed by Kuma's paws work, and it is not teleporting or instant.

In that clip he manages to throw Zoro back then be there behind him essentially as he lands(there's some screen time delay because we see Zoro's dazed eyes and Usopp but the fact we don't see Kuma arrive but already there implies he arrived before Zoro finished rolling there.

And? He moved faster than pre-skip Usopp and Zoro can see? That's impressive?

Also did you really say he only ripped his coat? Did you even rewatch the fight he posted? Maybe should have, he rips his whole shoulder open and dents the metal. You can pause it at 3:19.

I see no dents here.

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You act like Kuma doesn't have enough weight on his name in the manga to stay up to par with the characters he'll be brought back into the story with later.

lol okay that's fine. I don't care though. Show me the feats NOW if you're going to make the claim NOW. Don't make claims NOW and then say "The manga will prove it in the future."

 

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No, he was extremely weak. Throughout that entire fight, he was getting knocked down and reacting to Gear Second the same way Gladius did in Dressrosa. Hody got one hit in on Luffy, and he happened to cause major bleeding with that hit. The only reason Luffy was ever in danger in that fight was because of that one bad, lucky hit. Luffy only had trouble with Hody otherwise when Hody went into the water because Luffy himself can't swim. Hody is weak as shit

Roided Hody isn't the same as Hody and if he was such an "extremely" weak opponent then why did it take so many G2 and haki coated attacks before he was defeated? Guy even up after a bunch of hits and a Red Hawk which isn't a light attack. Doesn't sound like an "extremely" weak opponent, I seem to recall that being part of your argument in Sabo/Burgess "If it takes a lot of hits to put someone down even if they did little to no damage to you, it's still mid dif right? Right? And for the record Hody hit him more than once, he hit him in the water and at least twice on the boat that I can remember.

Based on ****ing what exactly? Doflamingo, with his body severely damaged, could physically blitz a Gear Fourth Luffy. Law has kept up with Doflamingo and countered his fastest attack, what the hell suggests Zoro can do better than them?

Based on them having DF's. Most times it feels like you're not even reading the posts beyond your initial reaction point which is a shame because if you had you wouldn't have just asked why I think Zoro can move around underwater better than Law or Doffy could.

So you're telling me that Hody in water is comparable to Zoro and Doflamingo on land? Get the **** outta here.

We have nothing to accurately gauge it on but no, I'm saying the speed difference between a roided out fishman underwater and a human underwater is comparable(not equivalent) to Law's speed with Shambles and Zoro's reaction time. This instance gives us a good idea of Zoro's reaction times and if he can move himself to react fast enough when restricted against an opponent with boosted speed than he has a better chance at reacting to a Shambles appearance by Law then most are giving him credit for. Doesn't mean Law won't be able to get the drop on him but it'll take more than a few Shambles and misdirects to set it up.

This is something you just made up. We have seen how things being pushed by Kuma's paws work, and it is not teleporting or instant.

Because we got to see them travel to their destinations? Just because we as viewers get to see the animation process doesn't mean the effect doesn't happen in "real world" instantaneously. Kuma could paw swipe himself 15ft down the path and it would be just as quick as Law's.

And? He moved faster than pre-skip Usopp and Zoro can see? That's impressive?

He didn't move faster than they could see(well he did but that's not what I was saying) I can't tell if you just can't help but add your own context into stuff when you try to refute it or if you do it on purpose but if you are purposefully misrepresenting the point your countering you should avoid it because it generally backfires, like now, because what was actually said was Kuma moved faster than the speed his attack sent Zoro flying at.

I see no dents here.

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If you don't see the dent then you're either not really looking or purposefully not looking at it. from the top left of the panel the dent appears between the 3rd and 4th bolt in his shoulder and inbetween the gauge and bolts. You can clearly see the mark on that page and you can compare it with the dent in the animation. It was clearly a dent. And let's just ignore the fact you said all he did was cut his coat but he cut the skin enough to expose a whole shoulder or are you saying Kuma has no skin under his clothes?

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lol okay that's fine. I don't care though. Show me the feats NOW if you're going to make the claim NOW. Don't make claims NOW and then say "The manga will prove it in the future."

You mean kind of like how you all are with BM's prospective powers despite us having seen a scope of her powers? hmm. But we'll keep that in that thread, things get convoluted enough without cross threading.

 

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Based on them having DF's.

Not gonna lie, but you got me there technically. I was thinking more along the lines of comparing Zoro's strength and physical capabilities to theirs and forgot they had DFs. Though if you were to take away the inability to swim, they'd definitely have the same ability as Zoro to move about underwater and fight Hody, let's not lie.

We have nothing to accurately gauge it on

That's all I needed to hear.

but no, I'm saying the speed difference between a roided out fishman underwater and a human underwater is comparable(not equivalent) to Law's speed with Shambles and Zoro's reaction time.

That is not at all true. The speed of a Fishman, even roided out, isn't a constant. That's what you're not understanding. Saying "He was a fishman and roided out" is irrelevant because one Fishman with the same amount of roids can be slower than another Fishman with the same amount of roids. The merit of the fishman depends on who that specific Fishman is. Hody is weak, so he doesn't have merit. If it was someone like Jinbei, you'd have a good point. But not ****ing Hody.

This instance gives us a good idea of Zoro's reaction times and if he can move himself to react fast enough when restricted against an opponent with boosted speed than he has a better chance at reacting to a Shambles appearance by Law then most are giving him credit for. Doesn't mean Law won't be able to get the drop on him but it'll take more than a few Shambles and misdirects to set it up.

You're trying to say that Hody has the same capabilities as Law and Doflamingo, and for that I shake my head remorsefully.

Because we got to see them travel to their destinations? Just because we as viewers get to see the animation process doesn't mean the effect doesn't happen in "real world" instantaneously. Kuma could paw swipe himself 15ft down the path and it would be just as quick as Law's.

No the **** it's not because Kuma's powers aren't teleporting. When he hits the air, we see the air bubbles move. If Kuma is pushing them from point A to point B at instant transportation, you do realize Zoro would have to be fast enough to time travel through sheer speed to avoid them, right?

Secondly, we actually see Luffy moving through the air with it switching between night and day. If Kuma was teleporting shit, Luffy would have arrived to Amazon Lily instantly.

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He didn't move faster than they could see(well he did but that's not what I was saying) I can't tell if you just can't help but add your own context into stuff when you try to refute it or if you do it on purpose but if you are purposefully misrepresenting the point your countering you should avoid it because it generally backfires, like now, because what was actually said was Kuma moved faster than the speed his attack sent Zoro flying at.

And you know that how?

If you don't see the dent then you're either not really looking or purposefully not looking at it. from the top left of the panel the dent appears between the 3rd and 4th bolt in his shoulder and inbetween the gauge and bolts. You can clearly see the mark on that page and you can compare it with the dent in the animation. It was clearly a dent. And let's just ignore the fact you said all he did was cut his coat but he cut the skin enough to expose a whole shoulder or are you saying Kuma has no skin under his clothes?

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That is not a dent.

You mean kind of like how you all are with BM's prospective powers despite us having seen a scope of her powers? hmm. But we'll keep that in that thread, things get convoluted enough without cross threading.

B**** what?

 

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Not gonna lie, but you got me there technically. I was thinking more along the lines of comparing Zoro's strength and physical capabilities to theirs and forgot they had DFs. Though if you were to take away the inability to swim, they'd definitely have the same ability as Zoro to move about underwater and fight Hody, let's not lie.

That's all I needed to hear.

Of course they would and it would showcase their speed and reflexes so why wouldn't it for Zoro as well? But I never did say Hody underwater = Zoro or Doffy or Law's speed on land, I was pointing out Zoro's ability to react underwater bodes well for his ability to react on land.


That is not at all true. The speed of a Fishman, even roided out, isn't a constant. That's what you're not understanding. Saying "He was a fishman and roided out" is irrelevant because one Fishman with the same amount of roids can be slower than another Fishman with the same amount of roids. The merit of the fishman depends on who that specific Fishman is. Hody is weak, so he doesn't have merit. If it was someone like Jinbei, you'd have a good point. But not ****ing Hody.

You're trying to say that Hody has the same capabilities as Law and Doflamingo, and for that I shake my head remorsefully.

Not really, I'm saying Zoro's ability to counter him underwater is comparable to him trying to block Law on land. Law is faster than Hody but Zoro won't be restricted by the water either.

No the **** it's not because Kuma's powers aren't teleporting. When he hits the air, we see the air bubbles move. If Kuma is pushing them from point A to point B at instant transportation, you do realize Zoro would have to be fast enough to time travel through sheer speed to avoid them, right?

Secondly, we actually see Luffy moving through the air with it switching between night and day. If Kuma was teleporting shit, Luffy would have arrived to Amazon Lily instantly.

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Fair enough

And you know that how?

How do I know it implied something? Because I inferred it. Kuma was already in stance for an attack when Zoro looked up and there were no motion lines or dust clouds at his feet to indicate an arrival which would lead to the logical conclusion that he had reached the spot before Zoro had finished rolling.

That is not a dent.



B**** what?

WHAT? In what world is that not a dent? What would you call it? You know what **** it, this is one of those rare times I'm gonna have to make a poll thread based on another thread. That's absolutely a dent in his shoulder, you can see it in the manga and can see it clear as day in the anime rendering. Sake of argument say it's not a dent(it is) it's still a mark which is a scratch which you said he didn't receive.

 

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Of course they would and it would showcase their speed and reflexes so why wouldn't it for Zoro as well?

No? Based on their speed feats, they would do better.

But I never did say Hody underwater = Zoro or Doffy or Law's speed on land, I was pointing out Zoro's ability to react underwater bodes well for his ability to react on land.

You literally said that if Zoro can react to Hody underwater, then he can react to Law's speed and the speed of Shambles. That logic only works if you also think that Hody underwater is equal or higher than Law's and Doffy's speeds, as well as Shambles.

Not really, I'm saying Zoro's ability to counter him underwater is comparable to him trying to block Law on land. Law is faster than Hody but Zoro won't be restricted by the water either.

It's like arguing with two different people using the same account and the same post.

How do I know it implied something? Because I inferred it. Kuma was already in stance for an attack when Zoro looked up and there were no motion lines or dust clouds at his feet to indicate an arrival which would lead to the logical conclusion that he had reached the spot before Zoro had finished rolling.

Link the scan you're talking about.

WHAT? In what world is that not a dent? What would you call it? You know what **** it, this is one of those rare times I'm gonna have to make a poll thread based on another thread. That's absolutely a dent in his shoulder, you can see it in the manga and can see it clear as day in the anime rendering. Sake of argument say it's not a dent(it is) it's still a mark which is a scratch which you said he didn't receive.

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Even if it was a dent...what does that matter for Zoro's speed anyways?

 

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No? Based on their speed feats, they would do better.

What? That answer doesn't fall in line with the others, you said assuming they(Doffy/Law) could swim they could beat Hody I said yes that's true and it would be a showing of their speed so why wouldn't it be a showing of Zoro's speed and you replied with "no they'd do it better" I'm not following.

You literally said that if Zoro can react to Hody underwater, then he can react to Law's speed and the speed of Shambles. That logic only works if you also think that Hody underwater is equal or higher than Law's and Doffy's speeds, as well as Shambles.

No because you're ignoring the variable of Zoro being underwater when you talk about it like this. Hody underwater isn't as fast as Shambles but Zoro wouldn't be restricted on land. Zoro's restricted movements underwater allowed Hody to get in on him but he still had good enough reaction times to keep

It's like arguing with two different people using the same account and the same post.

Thank you. Shut up, he does't want to hear from you. aww.

Link the scan you're talking about.

I'll start looking, it'll be awhile but the scene is in that clip Blaze posted.

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Even if it was a dent...what does that matter for Zoro's speed anyways?

There it is, classic Riker. Tryna flip the point of the example once he sees he wasn't on the right side. I mentioned the dent because you were misrepresenting what actually happened;

Thirdly, Zoro did not scar Kuma. He ripped through his clothing. That was it. Not to mention that Kuma is a tank who allows himself to get hit because he knows he'll shrug it off due to his modifications. We can see this when he allows Sanji to strike him. Not only that, but when has Kuma shown himself to have speed that's impressive by top tier standards?

If you're not gonna accurately describe what happened, or even acknowledge when you got it wrong(which happens to us all) then how can we take you serious later?

 

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What? That answer doesn't fall in line with the others, you said assuming they(Doffy/Law) could swim they could beat Hody I said yes that's true and it would be a showing of their speed so why wouldn't it be a showing of Zoro's speed and you replied with "no they'd do it better" I'm not following.

1. Beating Hody underwater isn't an impressive feat because Hody is weak.

2. Even if we were to put Law and Doffy in there, they would be able to outpace Hody even more because they are faster than Zoro is anyways.

Two separate threads of thought.

No because you're ignoring the variable of Zoro being underwater when you talk about it like this. Hody underwater isn't as fast as Shambles but Zoro wouldn't be restricted on land. Zoro's restricted movements underwater allowed Hody to get in on him but he still had good enough reaction times to keep

@Bold: Never happened

And no, that doesn't show that Zoro's reflexes are enough for Law and Shambles because Hody underwater isn't as fast anyways. This is like saying because Zoro could react to someone moving at 70 speed underwater, he can react to someone moving 120 speed on land.

Thank you. Shut up, he does't want to hear from you. aww.

But I never did say Hody underwater = Zoro or Doffy or Law's speed on land

I'm saying Zoro's ability to counter him underwater is comparable to him trying to block Law on land.[/QUOTE

You're contradicting yourself.

There it is, classic Riker. Tryna flip the point of the example once he sees he wasn't on the right side. I mentioned the dent because you were misrepresenting what actually happened;

I'm not flipping the point. I'm genuinely asking you, what does that matter anyways? Even if I were to admit I am wrong and that is a dent, how is that relevant to this discussion in the first place? Does that prove Zoro is fast enough to react to Law? No, so why is that even a debate topic.

If you're not gonna accurately describe what happened, or even acknowledge when you got it wrong(which happens to us all) then how can we take you serious later?

Okay, Chopstick, I was wrong. Zoro dented Kuma and shattered his deltoid and Kuma had to get a brand new arm after an injury that would put Shanks' to shame. Does that make you happy? Is that the proof you were looking for to show that Zoro can match Kuma, and irrelevant throwaway comment about a dent on Kuma's shoulder?

 

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1. Beating Hody underwater isn't an impressive feat because Hody is weak.

2. Even if we were to put Law and Doffy in there, they would be able to outpace Hody even more because they are faster than Zoro is anyways.

Two separate threads of thought.

@Bold: Never happened

Really? I guess I jsut imagined this then(I'm heading out not looking for the scans right now)
[video=youtube;6C8Ir2rV_Wk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8Ir2rV_Wk[/video]
3:03 Hody gets right behind Zoro and a few other times arounf the 2:00 mark their close up clashing because Hody went at him.

And no, that doesn't show that Zoro's reflexes are enough for Law and Shambles because Hody underwater isn't as fast anyways. This is like saying because Zoro could react to someone moving at 70 speed underwater, he can react to someone moving 120 speed on land.

That's not a contradictory statement and could very well be the case. If Zoro could react to 70mph restricted underwater than whose to say he couldn't also stop something at 120mph unrestricted, those two points aren't corollary. In fact being able to stop something at a high speed while your own speed is decreased bodes well for your ability to defend higher speeds unfettered.

I'm saying Zoro's ability to counter him underwater is comparable to him trying to block Law on land.[/QUOTE

You're contradicting yourself.

I'm not flipping the point. I'm genuinely asking you, what does that matter anyways? Even if I were to admit I am wrong and that is a dent, how is that relevant to this discussion in the first place? Does that prove Zoro is fast enough to react to Law? No, so why is that even a debate topic.



Okay, Chopstick, I was wrong. Zoro dented Kuma and shattered his deltoid and Kuma had to get a brand new arm after an injury that would put Shanks' to shame. Does that make you happy? Is that the proof you were looking for to show that Zoro can match Kuma, and irrelevant throwaway comment about a dent on Kuma's shoulder?

tsk tsk even when you're acknowledging a mistake you can't be mature. Why so instigating why you always looking to get into a fight with people?

 

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Really? I guess I jsut imagined this then(I'm heading out not looking for the scans right now)
[video=youtube;6C8Ir2rV_Wk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8Ir2rV_Wk[/video]
3:03 Hody gets right behind Zoro and a few other times arounf the 2:00 mark their close up clashing because Hody went at him.

Filler. In the manga, the fight was literally one shot.

That's not a contradictory statement and could very well be the case. If Zoro could react to 70mph restricted underwater than whose to say he couldn't also stop something at 120mph unrestricted

Unless Zoro shows the ability to react to something moving at 120 MPH, then there's no feat that shows he can react to something moving at 120 MPH. Zoro reacting to 70 MPH underwater is not proof that he can react to 120 MPH on land.

those two points aren't corollary. In fact being able to stop something at a high speed while your own speed is decreased bodes well for your ability to defend higher speeds unfettered.

No it doesn't. Defending against 70 speed while your speed is decreased means you can defend from 70 speed even better when it's at the normal level. If you want to prove what you're saying, you'd have to:

1. Measure how much Zoro is decreased by underwater
2. Measure how fast Zoro moves underwater and increase it by the first number
3. Measure how fast Law, Doffy, and Shambles move

You can't make that comparison.

tsk tsk even when you're acknowledging a mistake you can't be mature. Why so instigating why you always looking to get into a fight with people?

Who gives a shit, Chopstick? Are you so eager to prove that it's a dent so you can finally have the gratification about being correct in this thread?

Like I said, I'll admit it's a dent if you want. What now?

 

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Filler. In the manga, the fight was literally one shot.

I will follow up on that later but Hody still manages to get in on Zoro and hit him iirc.

Unless Zoro shows the ability to react to something moving at 120 MPH, then there's no feat that shows he can react to something moving at 120 MPH. Zoro reacting to 70 MPH underwater is not proof that he can react to 120 MPH on land.

And it's not proof he can't as I said those two points aren't corollary. It's evidence to support the claim that he can but it doesn't prove it but I never said it proved it. I said it's good evidence for us to assume Zoro can react to even faster speeds when on land and unrestricted by water. I'm using it as evidence to support my claim not prove which is where you keep mis-identifying the intent.

No it doesn't. Defending against 70 speed while your speed is decreased means you can defend from 70 speed even better when it's at the normal level. If you want to prove what you're saying, you'd have to:

1. Measure how much Zoro is decreased by underwater
2. Measure how fast Zoro moves underwater and increase it by the first number
3. Measure how fast Law, Doffy, and Shambles move

You and I know you can't make those calculations from artwork but what we can do is apply a rough construct of physics(movement, momentum, resistance etc.). If I'm only able to use 70% of my ability and I can block something moving at 70mph then at 100% of my ability I can block something at a higher speed.

You can't make that comparison.

Who gives a shit, Chopstick? Are you so eager to prove that it's a dent so you can finally have the gratification about being correct in this thread?

Like I said, I'll admit it's a dent if you want. What now?

Nothing because you still can't admit your fault maturely. You sound like a kid saying "Yeah I stole the candy bar so what you have plenty of money". And finally? Haven't you conceded points in this thread already?

 

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I will follow up on that later but Hody still manages to get in on Zoro and hit him iirc.

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This is all there is.

And it's not proof he can't as I said those two points aren't corollary. It's evidence to support the claim that he can but it doesn't prove it but I never said it proved it. I said it's good evidence for us to assume Zoro can react to even faster speeds when on land and unrestricted by water. I'm using it as evidence to support my claim not prove which is where you keep mis-identifying the intent.

It's not even good evidence anyways because Hody doesn't compare to Law or Doffy. Can he react faster when on land, yes. But that's not evidence that he can react to something that is as much faster as Law and Doffy are than Hody. Where is your proof that Zoro reacting to 70 underwater means he can react to 120 on land as opposed to just 90, or 80, or any number less than 120?

Nothing because you still can't admit your fault maturely. You sound like a kid saying "Yeah I stole the candy bar so what you have plenty of money". And finally? Haven't you conceded points in this thread already?

I see you still can't tell me how it proves anything. Keep clinging to that "You sound immature" comment, I'll pretend I haven't noticed you still couldn't answer how the dent matters.

 

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I think Zoro unlocked Observation Haki in that fight that's why he was able to dodge kuma's attack.
Riker u need to watch the video again. U can clearly see Zoro dodged Kuma's first attack barely which was quite fast.
and again at the end u will see he dodged his mouth laser canon thing from point blank/close range which is enough to prove he has reaction speed.
I will also like to bring the point that maybe Kuma used armament haki(at the last moment) that's why Zoro's attack did basically no damage.

 

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I think Zoro unlocked Observation Haki in that fight that's why he was able to dodge kuma's attack.
Riker u need to watch the video again. U can clearly see Zoro dodged Kuma's first attack barely which was quite fast.
and again at the end u will see he dodged his mouth laser canon thing from point blank/close range which is enough to prove he has reaction speed.
I will also like to bring the point that maybe Kuma used armament haki(at the last moment) that's why Zoro's attack did basically no damage.

Okay...what about those things makes dodging them impressive?

 

[Skull Knight]

Okay...what about those things makes dodging them impressive?

It does show Zoro has good reaction speed. It was also proved in DR arc when Zoro was fighting Pica and Pica was trying to attack him from every corner in that castle.

 

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Law Shambles requires e little prep before initiating. For him to cut his for shambles or even remove weapons such as guns and swords with scan, the opponent needs to be stationary in one spot for that to work.

Like the G-5 navy fodders and Tageshi were all stationary, but as for smoker and Doflamingo they used their reflexes and speed to evade incoming attacks from Law and avoid getting weapons taken like Smoker's Jitte. Vergo followed this blueprint for a while too to prevent Law from scanning his heart back from his coat. That's why smoker had to help get it back from him in the first place.

Zoro has shown better reaction speed and speed because we've followed the strawhats through the journey since pre timeskip. So Law hasn't shown any good footspeed in those two arcs we've seen in him while Zoro bested him since pretimskip due to actual feats

eah but t is still a movemement speed feat, though you an react too it footspeed your right

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

eah but t is still a movemement speed feat, though you an react too it footspeed your right

Yeah it is a speed feat and I'm glad that you are not like those 3 idiots on the first page from who couldn't see this. But here is where it gets tricky. The time it takes to make room while attacking.

That's why I said Zoro wins in the speed category. His striking speed, footspeed, and extra is gonna cause problems for law.
Doflamingo here like any other experienced fighter is smart, once law created the room he immediately blitz him so he can keep him from using the only thing he can cut him with his devil fruit, his sword. Smoker intercepted his sword too to momentary block him.

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Just by that alone takes away his biggest long range offense and he'll need to resort to using his hands in close range like gamma knife, scalpel, and countershock. But given Law's reaction speed is around smoker's level should not be a huge issue for Zoro because even Smoker caught Law off guard despite being way stronger than smoker.

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Zoro wouldn't have that problem doing this. Law had to set up blockades in order to scalpel Smoker's heart but without anybody or any obstacle to obstruct the opponents view, Doffy showed that he was able to avoid Law's short range attacks in point blank range.

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So we have Smoker who was able to overcome Law's long range attacks but fell short with his close range thanks to field blockade, then we Doflamingo who just evaded both of them altogether. So Law's speed is roughly around slightly ajar above smokers level which is not impressive to Zoro and Law will need to resort in mini short teleportation which will deplete his stamina and slow down his moments even more.
You can see why now my speed category goes towards Zoro now? If zoro hits that lion song and slits Law's sword, he's stuck with two knife attacks with countershock now. Buso haki would be even easier to explain why Zoro's is superior but I'm sure you get the point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah it is a speed feat and I'm glad that you are not like those 3 idiots on the first page from who couldn't see this.

Funny you call us idiots yet you couldn't refute a single one of our arguments.

But here is where it gets tricky. The time it takes to make room while attacking.

Law created a large enough Room fast enough that Doflamingo and Trebol both failed to notice it being created. The time it takes to create a Room doesn't matter. That shit's gonna get done at the same time as Zoro pulls out his swords.

That's why I said Zoro wins in the speed category. His striking speed, footspeed, and extra is gonna cause problems for law.
Doflamingo here like any other experienced fighter is smart, once law created the room he immediately blitz him so he can keep him from using the only thing he can cut him with his devil fruit, his sword. Smoker intercepted his sword too to momentary block him.

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Doflamingo and Smoker both displayed knowledge on the Ope Ope no Mi and how it works, which is why they were able to engage Law before Law could do hax moves against them to finish early. Zoro has no such knowledge, so there's only a slim chance he would be able to engage Law as smartly as those two did.

Just by that alone takes away his biggest long range offense and he'll need to resort to using his hands in close range like gamma knife, scalpel, and countershock. But given Law's reaction speed is around smoker's level should not be a huge issue for Zoro because even Smoker caught Law off guard despite being way stronger than smoker.

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Zoro wouldn't have that problem doing this. Law had to set up blockades in order to scalpel Smoker's heart but without anybody or any obstacle to obstruct the opponents view, Doffy showed that he was able to avoid Law's short range attacks in point blank range.

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Law's reaction is far above Smoker's level. Law's reaction to Overheat is far beyond any speed Zoro has ever shown.

Zoro has zero speed feats that compare to Doflamingo's level, and Law was able to keep up with Doflamingo.

Why don't you try and provide one speed feat that puts Zoro on the same level as Overheat? This is what happens to Luffy when it's used, and Law was able to counter it twice without any trouble whatsoever, so what makes you think Zoro is going to do better?

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Law will need to resort in mini short teleportation which will deplete his stamina and slow down his moments even more.

There is zero chance of Law losing so much stamina against Zoro that it starts to come back to bite him. If fighting Doflamingo and Fujitora all day with no opportunities to recharge didn't stop Law's powers, Zoro isn't getting anywhere close.

 

[Bogard]

Hard to predict with their portrayal, so i'd say it's tossup for now