[Discussion] Zoro Value on One Piece

[Spha]

Oda seems to Favour Zoro more than the MC of the manga, It is Rear to see Zoro lose against someone of his own tier, actually he never loses against anyone on his own tier.

I've got a question for you all, Do u think Zoro will ever lose a fight against anyone who is not on Admiral or Yonko level? I honestly don't think that's ever going to happen at this point.

So sometimes I really wonder why people keeps saying that Doffy, Cracker and Jack can defeat Zoro, while we all know that Zoro always defeat Enemies that are not Luffy's target but work for Luffy's Target, sometimes he defeat them easily sometimes Hard, so it ovious at this point that If Zoro where to fight, Doffy, Cracker and Jack, while Luffy is not targetting them, Zoro will win the match.

Zoro only loses against the ones who are 10 times or even 100 times stronger than him, he won't lose against anyone who is a bit stronger than him.

Gimme your comment.

 

[JStar King]

Didn't he lose to Hawkeye and Bartholomew Kuma?

 

[Itachi Minato]

Oda seems to Favour Zoro more than the MC of the manga, It is Rear to see Zoro lose against someone of his own tier, actually he never loses against anyone on his own tier.

I've got a question for you all, Do u think Zoro will ever lose a fight against anyone who is not on Admiral or Yonko level? I honestly don't think that's ever going to happen at this point.

So sometimes I really wonder why people keeps saying that Doffy, Cracker and Jack can defeat Zoro, while we all know that Zoro always defeat Enemies that are not Luffy's target but work for Luffy's Target, sometimes he defeat them easily sometimes Hard, so it ovious at this point that If Zoro where to fight, Doffy, Cracker and Jack, while Luffy is not targetting them, Zoro will win the match.

Zoro only loses against the ones who are 10 times or even 100 times stronger than him, he won't lose against anyone who is a bit stronger than him.

Gimme your comment.

If he fought them right now he would lose. Oda is making sure he fulfills his promise to Luffy that he made way back. If you're asking if zoro will lose again then I doubt it.

 

[Spha]

Didn't he lose to Hawkeye and Bartholomew Kuma?

Hawkeye is alrealdy Cosidered Yonko level who was 100 time stronger than the East Blue Zoro and before time skip Kuma was almost way too strong for the rest of the SH...being Defeated by Kuma and Hawkeye shows Zoro Value as he was only a baby to Top tiers with Haki.

 

[Love Cook]

I really doubt Oda favors Zoro more. I agree that he wins most of his fights comfortably, which has also a lot to do with the promise he made to Luffy. Not sure if that was a smart thing to do back then but I guess Oda also never imagined he would still be working on this 20 years later without an end in sight.

I think Oda is a bit done with some of the Strawhats to be honest. If you see how little time and development some of them get, you kind of understand why Oda keeps adding a lot of side character that draw attention. It would be impossible to keep a character like Zoro interesting for 20+ years, especially since he is pretty one dimensional and his fights are not very exciting any more. Same goes for Brook, Robin, Chopper and Usopp, you barely see them during the middle portion of an arc.

I think Oda favors the characters that he can use to explore the One Piece world with. Luffy is a given because he always runs around creating chaos. Law was a device to switch the story over to introduce the big shots in the New World. Nami and Sanji are the brains who keep the Strawhats on track and have a bit control over Luffy.

So in terms of fighting Zoro is unmatched, don't know if you want to call that being 'favored' I don't think Oda has a problem of making any one lose, it's just that he can't have Zoro lose as often because that would kind of defeat the purpose of his promise.

In terms of development I don't think Oda favors Zoro at all, maybe he gets his time in Wano.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Zoro's entire character is about never losing again as he made a promise to Luffy after losing to Mihawk. Every fight Zoro has from now on is going to be him winning so Oda has to be very careful about who he pits against Zoro and can't have Zoro getting outmatched in a 1v1 too much. Zoro resisted Fujitora's gravity in order to save face.

I really doubt Oda favors Zoro more. I agree that he wins most of his fights comfortably, which has also a lot to do with the promise he made to Luffy. Not sure if that was a smart thing to do back then but I guess Oda also never imagined he would still be working on this 20 years later without an end in sight.

I think Oda is a bit done with some of the Strawhats to be honest. If you see how little time and development some of them get, you kind of understand why Oda keeps adding a lot of side character that draw attention. It would be impossible to keep a character like Zoro interesting for 20+ years, especially since he is pretty one dimensional and his fights are not very exciting any more. Same goes for Brook, Robin, Chopper and Usopp, you barely see them during the middle portion of an arc.

I think Oda favors the characters that he can use to explore the One Piece world with. Luffy is a given because he always runs around creating chaos. Law was a device to switch the story over to introduce the big shots in the New World. Nami and Sanji are the brains who keep the Strawhats on track and have a bit control over Luffy.

So in terms of fighting Zoro is unmatched, don't know if you want to call that being 'favored' I don't think Oda has a problem of making any one lose, it's just that he can't have Zoro lose as often because that would kind of defeat the purpose of his promise.

In terms of development I don't think Oda favors Zoro at all, maybe he gets his time in Wano.

OP was supposed to end in 2002 as a kids show but it was so popular with teen and adults that it was extended in 1998(during the Baraitie).

 

[Venomous Cobra]

How is that good? If anything he would take a huge L for getting plot protection for that god damn time

 

[chopstickchakra]

Zoro's entire character is about never losing again as he made a promise to Luffy after losing to Mihawk. Every fight Zoro has from now on is going to be him winning so Oda has to be very careful about who he pits against Zoro and can't have Zoro getting outmatched in a 1v1 too much. Zoro resisted Fujitora's gravity in order to save face.



OP was supposed to end in 2002 as a kids show but it was so popular with teen and adults that it was extended in 1998(during the Baraitie).

Isn't Luffy supposedly in that same boat now though, he said he'd never lose again after the 2 year training. But both his big fights since have been team ups.

 

[A v i]

Zoro was beaten more times than I can remember. We need to stop using his promise as an excuse to justify every little thing about Zoro. How about Zoro simply being that much of a monster? Luffy, Law, Kid etc have all grown as much as Zoro. They could handle Zoto's fights with more or less at same level of difficulty. But somehow only Zoro is an exception here. People need to accept the fact Oda wants his character to be that strong because it is necessary for the story. Everything happened the way it did because Zoro has grown that much, not because Oda can't have Zoro get beaten by anyone.

 

[YellowFang]

Just my two cents,

Zoro usually gets to fight the 2nd strongest or some times the main swordsmen which mostly are closer to the 3rd strongest person than the strongest one. While Zoro has been closer to Luffy in power than the rest, except for now.
This gives him a fair chance of dominating the opponent while keeping his 'Cool' posture. PS, it's funny how there isn't a main swordsman guy, swordsmen are either 2nd strongest at best or lower.

 

[Hexuze]

That promise is really just protecting him. I don't think Oda is deliberately valuing Zoro more than the rest of the characters but rather avoiding bad writing. Either way, protecting Zoro like that with a promise is not the best writing. When will Zoro face any hardships/struggles? That's the character I enjoyed seeing the most. Not so much the Zoro we're seeing now; his character definitely went downhill for me since the TS.

His fight with Pica was good but felt it dragged out way longer than it should. I'm not saying Zoro should struggle with every fight but seeing those fights where he was close to passing out were the best.

 

[ToshiZO]

That promise is really just protecting him. I don't think Oda is deliberately valuing Zoro more than the rest of the characters but rather avoiding bad writing. Either way, protecting Zoro like that with a promise is not the best writing. When will Zoro face any hardships/struggles? That's the character I enjoyed seeing the most. Not so much the Zoro we're seeing now; his character definitely went downhill for me since the TS.

His fight with Pica was good but felt it dragged out way longer than it should. I'm not saying Zoro should struggle with every fight but seeing those fights where he was close to passing out were the best.

But the promise happened back in East Blue. And you just said "that's the character I enjoyed seeing the most", so clearly the promise wasn't protecting him pre timeskip according to you, so why would it post skip? Maybe Zoro just got too strong for anything less than a Captain in a non Yonkou crew?

 

[Fireplay]

Zoro made a promise pre-skip but that isn't the reason why he doesn't lose. He trained for 2 years and obviously became a monster. Its not really that he's got plot protection, more like he's too strong for the other crews number 2. Many people have said they can't believe that Zoro is under Luffy, a crewmate shouldn't be that close in strength to the captain but Zoro is and looking at how in most crews the 2nd guy isn't usually anywhere near the captain in strength, Zoro rapestomps them.

Zoro is simply that strong but yeah he also does have that terminator factor where he can't really lose.

I mean if Zoro does lose are we gonna get another "Mihawk this Mihawk that" scene? Nah. Zoro losing would be like Sanji using his hands in a fight.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Just my two cents,

Zoro usually gets to fight the 2nd strongest or some times the main swordsmen which mostly are closer to the 3rd strongest person than the strongest one. While Zoro has been closer to Luffy in power than the rest, except for now.
This gives him a fair chance of dominating the opponent while keeping his 'Cool' posture. PS, it's funny how there isn't a main swordsman guy, swordsmen are either 2nd strongest at best or lower.

Everyone in Mihawks crew is a Badass Swordman.

 

[TRE MERCER]

People keep mentioning Zoro promise but Zoro lost multiple times since that promise. Kuma kicked his ass.

 

[LBeezy]

People keep mentioning Zoro promise but Zoro lost multiple times since that promise. Kuma kicked his ass.

Multiple?

So other than Kuma, Zoro lost to....?

 

[A v i]

Multiple?

So other than Kuma, Zoro lost to....?

Enel, Lucci and Kizaru if he counts.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

The zoro fanboying needs to stop

If zoro went against doffy he would get the sanji treatment

If jack went against zoro he would get poisoned

Cracker would overwhelm the **** out of zoro if gear 4th is what is needed to break these soldiers

 

[RJ22BIG]

The zoro fanboying needs to stop

If zoro went against doffy he would get the sanji treatment

If jack went against zoro he would get poisoned

Cracker would overwhelm the **** out of zoro if gear 4th is what is needed to break these soldiers

Couldn't agree more bro the fanboying is at an all time delusional level

 

[LBeezy]

Enel, Lucci and Kizaru if he counts.

Classifying these as "fights Zoro lost" is a reach tho..