[Discussion] Zoro and Sanji vs Vergo and Smoker

[A v i]

Still looking for some evidence to prove that.

I am more interested in why you think why Vergo's haki is far above Pica's. And for me, Pica being able to go full haki mode is feat that speaks for it self. Besides aren't you guys thinking that Vergo is god of haki just because he can go full body COA? Aside from being able to full body haki he was fairly confidante about Zoro not being able to cut through his haki even after witnessing Zoro's large scale attacks which hints that he has decent mastery over haki.

 

[Hexuze]

I am more interested in why you think why Vergo's haki is far above Pica's. And for me, Pica being able to go full haki mode is feat that speaks for it self. Besides aren't you guys thinking that Vergo is god of haki just because he can go full body COA? Aside from being able to full body haki he was fairly confidante about Zoro not being able to cut through his haki even after witnessing Zoro's large scale attacks which hints that he has decent mastery over haki.

1. Doflamingo had a lot of faith in his CoA. Had Doflamingo ever praised Pica for his haki as much as he did with Vergo? Nope.

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2. He's been skillful in CoA since Law was a child.

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[silmarill]

1. Doflamingo had a lot of faith in his CoA. Had Doflamingo ever praised Pica for his haki as much as he did with Vergo? Nope.

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2. He's been skillful in CoA since Law was a child.

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Doflamingo's faith means nothing.
Doflamingo also had faith that Diamante could keep the mera mera safe from the hands of Burgess and Luffy while the guy was fodderized by Kyros
Doflamino also had faith pica could take care of the Strawhats by himself

 

[Hexuze]

Doflamingo's faith means nothing.
Doflamingo also had faith that Diamante could keep the mera mera safe from the hands of Burgess and Luffy while the guy was fodderized by Kyros
Doflamino also had faith pica could take care of the Strawhats by himself

True but Doflamingo more or less knew Vergo for his haki capabilities, he never viewed Pica as such. My second point still stands.

 

[A v i]

1. Doflamingo had a lot of faith in his CoA. Had Doflamingo ever praised Pica for his haki as much as he did with Vergo? Nope.

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2. He's been skillful in CoA since Law was a child.

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He wasn't praising his haki. He was just saying that Law can't compete with him and talking about hype, when Pica said that I am enough to solo every enemy in the country which includes Sabo,Zoro,Luffy,Fujitora and Law(The guy who defeated Vergo) if I am allowed to go all out, Joker didn't denied his statement which proves that he has just as much faith in Pica as he has for Vergo. Experience means nothing in the world of OP otherwise Zoro wouldn't have managed to beat Pica in the first place.

True but Doflamingo more or less knew Vergo for his haki capabilities, he never viewed Pica as such. My second point still stands.

It's a horrible logic. Not getting hyped by Joker =/= not having skills. It means that Joker didn't get a chance to talk about their skills.

 

[Hexuze]

He wasn't praising his haki. He was just saying that Law can't compete with him and talking about hype, when Pica said that I am enough to solo every enemy in the country which includes Sabo,Zoro,Luffy,Fujitora and Law(The guy who defeated Vergo) if I am allowed to go all out, Joker didn't denied his statement which proves that he has just as much faith in Pica as he has for Vergo. Experience means nothing in the world of OP otherwise Zoro wouldn't have managed to beat Pica in the first place.

Experience does have it's value, well for haki at least. I suggest sticking with Naruto if you're going to ignore that. Doflamingo still never mentioned Pica's haki before so my point still stands.

It's a horrible logic. Not getting hyped by Joker =/= not having skills. It means that Joker didn't get a chance to talk about their skills.

Pica isn't known for his haki, if he was Doflamingo would of mentioned it. I'm still waiting for your evidence to prove that Pica's haki is on the same tier as Vergo's l0l.

 

[OG sama]

You got any evidence to say Vergo's haki > Pica's haki? It's obvious that Vergo is stronger. As for Smoker, we'll wait till his next appearance.

Yeah its decided. This is nothing but Zoro downplay in disguise. It doesn't matter where I go, I see you always ignoring all of Zoros feats and putting him below people like Smoker and Vergo who haven't shown shit compared to Zoro. And wait for Smokers next appearance? You don't even no when he will return. You sound like someone whos going to be really selective when we see Smoker again. And probably say BS like Smoker didn't go all out on PH. When he could have easily just have gotten stronger as the arcs go by.

And what makes you think Zoro wont easily bypass Vergos Haki as easily as Picas. And how is it obvious when both got one shotted in FBH by two members of the worst generation? Who by feats(Law and Zoro) are very comparable. Sounds like your just talking out of your ass with no real basis for your claims.

 

[A v i]

Experience does have it's value, well for haki at least. I suggest sticking with Naruto if you're going to ignore that. Doflamingo still never mentioned Pica's haki before so my point still stands.


Pica isn't known for his haki, if he was Doflamingo would of mentioned it. I'm still waiting for your evidence to prove that Pica's haki is on the same tier as Vergo's l0l.

If experience means shit here then Luffy can never beat Joker. Law would have lost against Vergo so ya it means nothing here. Ya I guess I should return to NDS for a while because I can read better arguments than what I can get from your posts in this section. Since when does people of this arc needs to get an approval to be a good haki user? I have already told you that Joker never get a chance to explain Pica's strength. He was a lot of headaches to take care of where as he has none during PH arc. Besides where is your proof that suggests that Pica is less experienced than Vergo with haki? Pica seems to be older than Vergo so he could be more experienced with haki than Vergo for all we know.


I have never said he's on par with Vergo to began with so why should I prove it again? Lol My point is that he not far away from Vergo. He witnessed Zoro's mini mountain level attack which are comparable that of the attack which took down Vergo. Yet he was fairly confidant about tanking those attacks which makes him a top level haki user.

 

[Hexuze]

Yeah its decided. This is nothing but Zoro downplay in disguise. It doesn't matter where I go, I see you always ignoring all of Zoros feats and putting him below people like Smoker and Vergo who haven't shown shit compared to Zoro. And wait for Smokers next appearance? You don't even no when he will return. You sound like someone whos going to be really selective when we see Smoker again. And probably say BS like Smoker didn't go all out on PH. When he could have easily just have gotten stronger as the arcs go by.

And what makes you think Zoro wont easily bypass Vergos Haki as easily as Picas. And how is it obvious when both got one shotted in FBH by two members of the worst generation? Who by feats(Law and Zoro) are very comparable. Sounds like your just talking out of your ass with no real basis for your claims.

Lol yeah I'm downplaying Zoro for sure.

If experience means shit here then Luffy can never beat Joker. Law would have lost against Vergo so ya it means nothing here. Ya I guess I should return to NDS for a while because I can read better arguments than what I can get from your posts in this section. Since when does people of this arc needs to get an approval to be a good haki user? I have already told you that Joker never get a chance to explain Pica's strength. He was a lot of headaches to take care of where as he has none during PH arc. Besides where is your proof that suggests that Pica is less experienced than Vergo with haki? Pica seems to be older than Vergo so he could be more experienced with haki than Vergo for all we know.


I have never said he's on par with Vergo to began with so why should I prove it again? Lol My point is that he not far away from Vergo. He witnessed Zoro's mini mountain level attack which are comparable that of the attack which took down Vergo. Yet he was fairly confidant about tanking those attacks which makes him a top level haki user.

Law's haki is strong and his DF mainly helped so it's still relevant. Lol the burden is on you, I'm the one asking how can you state that Pica's haki is superior to Vergo's? My point still stands, you have no evidence that proves Pica's haki is stronger than Vergo's. Vergo has been a talented haki user since ages ago. Not that far off from Vergo? Prove it.

 

[OG sama]

Lol yeah I'm downplaying Zoro for sure.


Law's haki is strong and his DF mainly helped so it's still relevant. Lol the burden is on you, I'm the one asking how can you state that Pica's haki is superior to Vergo's? My point still stands, you have no evidence that proves Pica's haki is stronger than Vergo's. Vergo has been a talented haki user since ages ago. Not that far off from Vergo? Prove it.

Well maybe not that post in particular but I have seen you on multiple threads saying dumb shit like Smoker having better feats than Zoro. Lmao how can take a person seriously when they say that. And even in this thread you say that Smoker and Vergo take this with mid-high diff. You just need to admit you just dont like Zoro and you wont acknowledge him.

And can you prove that Zoro wont just go through Vergos Haki like he did Picas? Laws haki was just greater than Vergos just like Zoros was better than Picas.

 

[A v i]

Law's haki is strong and his DF mainly helped so it's still relevant. Lol

Why are you pointing out just Law? I have mentioned Luffy as well why didn't said anything about him? Is that because it'll prove you wrong? Lol Once again experience means nothing. Luffy beats Vergo despite of having far less experience with haki than Vergo. So ya your experience means nothing here. Let me remind you that Luffy beat Chinjao a dude with far more experience than anyone else in this arc.Lol

the burden is on you, I'm the one asking how can you state that Pica's haki is superior to Vergo's? My point still stands, you have no evidence that proves Pica's haki is stronger than Vergo's. Vergo has been a talented haki user since ages ago. Not that far off from Vergo? Prove it.

Are you retarded or something? I have never claimed that Pica is above Vergo nor did I implied that his haki is equal to him. It was you who was stating that Vergo has more experience and is far stronger as if they were facts so the burden of proof lies on the guy who stated it. Not on someone who's talking about possibilities. I have never implied that he has stronger haki, I just said that it is possible for Pica to have more experience with haki than Vergo. It's not my problem if you don't know the difference b/w having stronger haki and having more experience.

 

[Bogard]

And can you prove that Zoro wont just go through Vergos Haki like he did Picas? Laws haki was just greater than Vergos just like Zoros was better than Picas.

I doubt it was just a haki issue, otherwise Vergo would have bleed instead of getting "operated/cut" by the cutting ability of the devil fruit. I think it was probably a combo of haki to diminish the impact and an increase in the devil fruit ability that allowed him to cut Vergo

 

[OG sama]

I doubt it was just a haki issue, otherwise Vergo would have bleed instead of getting "operated/cut" by the cutting ability of the devil fruit. I think it was probably a combo of haki to diminish the impact and an increase in the devil fruit ability that allowed him to cut Vergo

Yeah guess I forgot about that. I read somewhere on NFs about how it can work in different ways when used in conjunction with a DF though.

 

[Hexuze]

And can you prove that Zoro wont just go through Vergos Haki like he did Picas? Laws haki was just greater than Vergos just like Zoros was better than Picas.

It was his DF ability...

Why are you pointing out just Law? I have mentioned Luffy as well why didn't said anything about him? Is that because it'll prove you wrong? Lol Once again experience means nothing. Luffy beats Vergo despite of having far less experience with haki than Vergo. So ya your experience means nothing here. Let me remind you that Luffy beat Chinjao a dude with far more experience than anyone else in this arc.Lol

Experience means nothing? LMAO. Yeah, okay Lol . Luffy will win over some handicap, he can't defeat a healthy Doflamingo by himself. Experience does have it's value, whether it'd be a big factor or small. It's still something note worthy of. We've only seen Pica use haki once, just once whereas Vergo's fighting style pretty much revolves around haki and close combat fighting.

Are you retarded or something? I have never claimed that Pica is above Vergo nor did I implied that his haki is equal to him. It was you who was stating that Vergo has more experience and is far stronger as if they were facts so the burden of proof lies on the guy who stated it. Not on someone who's talking about possibilities. I have never implied that he has stronger haki, I just said that it is possible for Pica to have more experience with haki than Vergo. It's not my problem if you don't know the difference b/w having stronger haki and having more experience.

I meant tier but yeah you said the difference isn't that far off? Let's see you prove that.

 

[A v i]

Experience means nothing? LMAO. Yeah, okay Lol . Luffy will win over some handicap, he can't defeat a healthy Doflamingo by himself. Experience does have it's value, whether it'd be a big factor or small. It's still something note worthy of. We've only seen Pica use haki once, just once whereas Vergo's fighting style pretty much revolves around haki and close combat fighting.

If you think Luffy wins because of handicap then we have Zoro VS Pica. Sabo vs Vergo would a better example I guess. Experience has no significance value here.

I meant tier but yeah you said the difference isn't that far off? Let's see you prove that.

I have already explained that shit on more than one occasion. It seems like your brain is too slow to completely understand what you just read. So I'll repeat it for you. If he think he can handle Zoro's mini mountain level attacks which are comparable to that of Law's mountain cutting ability then it means that he is a top level haki user. The fact that he can go full body haki alone proves that he's a skilled haki user.

 

[ultraChalk]

Personality locked?

If not and bloodlusted, Zoro and Sanji. I can't see Smoker pulling his weight, gotta see some more from him.

 

[Magi]

Team 1.. Easy

 

[Anduril]

Zoro and Sanji would win Mid-High diff.