[Question] Zoro and Luffy

[Love Cook]

Why? They clearly are. Even law beat him and Zoro and luffy are really close to law. I'd they it take Zoro and luffy extreme diff to beat vergo.

If Vergo went Haki Hulk on Zoro, Sanji and Luffy I doubt they would even be able to harm him with the exception of Luffy who can also use armament haki. Vergo is the best armament haki user in the show so far and Law only won thanks to his devil fruit power and his improved colors haki.

Vergo used to pummel Law in the past. Physical fighters are a really bad match-up against Vergo.

 

[Laserz]

If Vergo went Haki Hulk on Zoro, Sanji and Luffy I doubt they would even be able to harm him with the exception of Luffy who can also use armament haki. Vergo is the best armament haki user in the show so far and Law only won thanks to his devil fruit power and his improved colors haki.

Vergo used to pummel Law in the past. Physical fighters are a really bad match-up against Vergo.

Lol what? Vergo the best armament haki user? No he's not even top tier. Zoro has his sword+haki which can obviously penetrate Vergo's haki.

Vergo used to pummel law in the past when he was a rookie and don't know haki. "physical fighters are really bad match-up against Vergo" is a no too. EGG could beat the shit out of vergo based on the fact that law could overcome Vergo's haki with his DF+haki which I believe luffy could do the same.

 

[KingHashirama]

i dont think so..(sadly) zoros equal is sanji... still he is one of the most badass characters EVER created^^

however i must point out that i think during that moria arc zoro somehow has gone ahead of sanji, when he took on kuma and that pain from luffy and survived...we have yet to see his full abilities after the time skip^^

Roger > Rayleigh > any other of his crewmates

Luffy > Zoro > anyone else

Shanks > Beckman > other crew members

Captain > Vice captain > any other crew member.

Zoro was always stronger then Sanji. They were NEVER equals.

Zoro is the equal to Sanji but you can say that Zoro beats people that Sanji sometimes cant beat.

But Zoro can beat alot of people the Luffy can such as Smoker,Caeser Clown, Vergo etc..

o-o. Zoro >> Sanji

And luffy is above them both.

 

[Love Cook]

Lol what? Vergo the best armament haki user? No he's not even top tier. Zoro has his sword+haki which can obviously penetrate Vergo's haki.

Vergo used to pummel law in the past when he was a rookie and don't know haki. "physical fighters are really bad match-up against Vergo" is a no too. EGG could beat the shit out of vergo based on the fact that law could overcome Vergo's haki with his DF+haki which I believe luffy could do the same.

Go read snow white or something.

I really shouldn't go into this crap but here I go anyways.

1) Not saying Vergo is the best armament haki user, I said he is the best armament haki user SO FAR
2) Learn the difference between color of armament and color of observation.
3) We only seen zoro cut a logia with his haki so far, nothing indicates yet that he can apply armament on his swords (yet).
4) Zoro doesn't have an ability so he needs to rely on strength, we know he can cut steel but armament hardened body is harder then steel (see Luffy vs Iron shell squad)
5) If you fail to see how physical fighters are disadvantage against Vergo then it's better if you hold a punching contest with something made out of steel (letting you off easy since you should be punching something even harder) If your fist hurts before the steel door then even you should realize that it probably is a lot easier if you were punching something made out of flesh and bones.
6) Luffy hasn't got a cutting ability or something to immobilize Vergo, this would be a looong and exhausting fight (see Smoker and Sanji)

 

[Laserz]

Go read snow white or something.

I really shouldn't go into this crap but here I go anyways.

1) Not saying Vergo is the best armament haki user, I said he is the best armament haki user SO FAR
2) Learn the difference between color of armament and color of observation.
3) We only seen zoro cut a logia with his haki so far, nothing indicates yet that he can apply armament on his swords (yet).
4) Zoro doesn't have an ability so he needs to rely on strength, we know he can cut steel but armament hardened body is harder then steel (see Luffy vs Iron shell squad)
5) If you fail to see how physical fighters are disadvantage against Vergo then it's better if you hold a punching contest with something made out of steel (letting you off easy since you should be punching something even harder) If your fist hurts before the steel door then even you should realize that it probably is a lot easier if you were punching something made out of flesh and bones.
6) Luffy hasn't got a cutting ability or something to immobilize Vergo, this would be a looong and exhausting fight (see Smoker and Sanji)

1. I think you came to the conclusion that CoA=hardening which Oda created during the timeskip. CoA=invisible shield and hardening, both falls into that category. So, still no.
2. never even said CoO
3. lol what? he has haki yet he can't coat in CoA? doesn't make sense bro. Look at #1
4. Hakified slash=cutting dmg>blunt dmg
5. Im talking about luffy in this case, not sanji. He cocks his hand back and releases it. It does more damage than a normal punch
6. look above and thus extreme diff if you didn't see that part. Also I think both smoker and Sanji would lose to vergo so I have no idea why you brought them up.

 

[The 1 who knows]

buggy? no way.........there's a saying cowards live longer:::::::::::: yu get my drift?
buggy's crew is now filled with more bad ass pirates though they're just stupid

 

[Love Cook]

1. I think you came to the conclusion that CoA=hardening which Oda created during the timeskip. CoA=invisible shield and hardening, both falls into that category. So, still no.
2. never even said CoO
3. lol what? he has haki yet he can't coat in CoA? doesn't make sense bro. Look at #1
4. Hakified slash=cutting dmg>blunt dmg
5. Im talking about luffy in this case, not sanji. He cocks his hand back and releases it. It does more damage than a normal punch
6. look above and thus extreme diff if you didn't see that part. Also I think both smoker and Sanji would lose to vergo so I have no idea why you brought them up.

I already regret that I replied to the last post.

1) well duhh, I think you finally came to the conclusion what I was talking about when I spelled it out for you.
2) Just stating the difference for you to understand point 1 but it failed.
3) There is no prove, it are two different things under the same name. It's like saying I can do a karate chop that makes me a karate master and do all the karate moves. (NOT SAYING THAT ZORO CAN'T, BUT HE SIMPLY HASN'T DONE IT YET)
4) We were talking about Luffy here as an 'physical fighter' I already made a difference between cutting techniques, go read it again. It will be a long ass fight if Luffy will fight hand to hand with Vergo.
6) Never said that Sanji or Smoker could win against Vergo just brought them up to clear up point 5, hand to hand combat is Vergo's strength. Sanji and Smoker are strong enough as a benchmark to predict that Luffy will have a hard time versus this guy.

One other thing if you think that Smoker and Sanji lose against Vergo who also both have CoA, do you really believe Zoro would do that much better and beat him ? Doubtful.

 

[natzzz]

i think that luffy's just a little stronger then zoro and zoro's just a little stronger then sanji.

 

[Laserz]

I already regret that I replied to the last post.

1) well duhh, I think you finally came to the conclusion what I was talking about when I spelled it out for you.
2) Just stating the difference for you to understand point 1 but it failed.
3) There is no prove, it are two different things under the same name. It's like saying I can do a karate chop that makes me a karate master and do all the karate moves. (NOT SAYING THAT ZORO CAN'T, BUT HE SIMPLY HASN'T DONE IT YET)
4) We were talking about Luffy here as an 'physical fighter' I already made a difference between cutting techniques, go read it again. It will be a long ass fight if Luffy will fight hand to hand with Vergo.
6) Never said that Sanji or Smoker could win against Vergo just brought them up to clear up point 5, hand to hand combat is Vergo's strength. Sanji and Smoker are strong enough as a benchmark to predict that Luffy will have a hard time versus this guy.

One other thing if you think that Smoker and Sanji lose against Vergo who also both have CoA, do you really believe Zoro would do that much better and beat him ? Doubtful.

1. am i suppose to reply to this?
2. look above
3. No prove? The fact that Zoro, who has about the same level of haki mastery makes me believe he can use hardening. Also Hardening is not like a super advance haki technique so I see no reason why Zoro can't use hardening. Hardening is no difference than Invisible armor.
4. Was talking about zoro's hakified slash not luffy and Zoro is Vergo's weakness. But I did say Luffy and Zoro would beat vergo extreme diff on my first post.
5. You skipped this
6. Luffy's H2H is move advance than Smoker or Sanji's. The thing is, Smoker or sanji don't have any big moves like EGG or red hawk. He uses his smoke to propell his punches thus making it stronger. His white launch is no different than luffy's gomu gomu no pistol. And thus I said extreme diff if you didn't read that part. Also I think Smoker and Sanji's haki is weaker than luffy's and Zoro's but not by a whole tier. Luffy's haki was taught by PK's first mate and Zoro's is taught by the guy who is the WSM and fought equally with shanks before.

Yes I do believe Zoro could win in a extreme diff. Smoker and Sanji did not get stomped so I see no reason why. Also Zoro's haki IMO is stronger than both smoker and sanji's and he uses cutting dmg.