Zetsu vs Tsunade

[Curse Mark]

Are you asking me if they will? Cause if you are then all you need to do is read the Manga and you'll find out that this is wrong since they activated over 3 chapters after Raikage initially killed Zetsu. If you are saying they will, then you get the same answer. Read the Manga. :lol

They activated regardless of him dying, proving your point false.
As to why they were delayed, common sense would say because they had a specific plan, but neither of us can prove that one way or the other.
You can post the scan of onoki as much as you want.
The only thing 'they must have been time delayed' means is
'these must have been used a while ago'
onoki is acknowledging that they werent placed in that exact moment.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What does that attack do?

Some type of medical chakra that was going to fuck Orochimaru up, which is why Kabuto (another medic) prevented it from happening. He said that Tsunades chakra had the intent to kill, so if Zetsu spores absorbs it, it should be destroyed.

 

[KidGamer65]

They activated regardless of him dying, proving your point false.
As to why they were delayed, common sense would say because they had a specific plan, but neither of us can prove that one way or the other.
You can post the scan of onoki as much as you want.
The only thing 'they must have been time delayed' means is
'these must have been used a while ago'
onoki is acknowledging that they werent placed in that exact moment.

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Please read before you reply. It saves me a lot of time explaining every single sentence to you. The point is, he can't use it before he dies, thus he doesn't win.

Meaning that they are time delayed jutsu, as they didn't activate with input nor can they activate with input. I suggest you stop bullshitting and start proving the nonsense you claim, cause this is getting pretty tiring. The Onoki scan is proof it's time delayed. Learn what time delayed means.

No, common sense doesn't. Your flawed argument fueled by nothing but this nonsensical bias you have for this plant man, is what says he waited that long to use his spores, when in reality he could've used it at any moment prior to that, and any moment after he was killed and the result would've been the same, or even better since Sasuke wasn't already on his last legs.

Onoki saying "He must've used a time delay jutsu"

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Meaning the jutsu was time delayed. It's there in plain english for everyone who isn't ignoring Manga FACT to see.


At this point it's clear you don't even have an argument. So do me a favor and just stop.

 

[Curse Mark]

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Please read before you reply. It saves me a lot of time explaining every single sentence to you. The point is, he can't use it before he dies, thus he doesn't win.

Meaning that they are time delayed jutsu, as they didn't activate with input nor can they activate with input. I suggest you stop bullshitting and start proving the nonsense you claim, cause this is getting pretty tiring. The Onoki scan is proof it's time delayed. Learn what time delayed means.

No, common sense doesn't. Your flawed argument fueled by nothing but this nonsensical bias you have for this plant man, is what says he waited that long to use his spores, when in reality he could've used it at any moment prior to that, and any moment after he was killed and the result would've been the same, or even better since Sasuke wasn't already on his last legs.

Onoki saying "He must've used a time delay jutsu"

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Meaning the jutsu was time delayed. It's there in plain english for everyone who isn't ignoring Manga FACT to see.


At this point it's clear you don't even have an argument. So do me a favor and just stop.

Christ on a stick, you are stubborn and unwilling to change your opinions.
I'll start from the top and do this all over again.
Please read before you reply. It saves me a lot of time explaining every single sentence to you. The point is, it doesn't have to be the original body to use it. He can sacrifice several clones that attack her and release spores. The original does not have to die.

Here's where this argument ends.

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Yes, in that scenario, onoki was right. the spores did wait to activate. But they do not have to work that way.

 

[KidGamer65]

Christ on a stick, you are stubborn and unwilling to change your opinions.
I'll start from the top and do this all over again.
Please read before you reply. It saves me a lot of time explaining every single sentence to you. The point is, it doesn't have to be the original body to use it. He can sacrifice several clones that attack her and release spores. The original does not have to die.

Here's where this argument ends.

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Yes, in that scenario, onoki was right. the spores did wait to activate. But they do not have to work that way.

Because they are facts taken straight from the Manga. There is no changing facts, no matter how hard you try.

Dkdankong. What in god's name are you even talking about? Jesus Christ. Why is it so hard for you to follow simple text? Can you read? Or are you just this dumb?The argument isn't whether or not the original can use it, if you would read then you'd realize no disputed that. The argument is, it's a time delayed jutsu, so he DIES BEFORE IT CAN BE ACTIVATED. :lol Please don't reply to me again with some stupid nonsense.

No, it's not. Maybe if you could stop grasping at straws we could have an honest discussion, but you want to twist every panel into your favor. Go show me where Zetsu says anything about any spores and then we can talk. Those are his CLONES. His parasite CLONES. Nothing to do with spores being time delayed. Spores absorb chakra and then grow to full sized beings. Where do you see Zetsu do any of that here? All your nonsense point means is that the spore jutsu wasn't what Sasuke was tagged with. Which would make sense as they lack any of the spore's abilities.

Spores are time delayed, as shown in the Manga. Stupidly dancing around that fact with evidence that doesn't even matter isn't helping your argument.

 

[Curse Mark]

Because they are facts taken straight from the Manga. There is no changing facts, no matter how hard you try.

Dkdankong. What in god's name are you even talking about? Jesus Christ. Why is it so hard for you to follow simple text? Can you read? Or are you just this dumb?The argument isn't whether or not the original can use it, if you would read then you'd realize no disputed that. The argument is, it's a time delayed jutsu, so he DIES BEFORE IT CAN BE ACTIVATED. :lol Please don't reply to me again with some stupid nonsense.

No, it's not. Maybe if you could stop grasping at straws we could have an honest discussion, but you want to twist every panel into your favor. Go show me where Zetsu says anything about any spores and then we can talk. Those are his CLONES. His parasite CLONES. Nothing to do with spores being time delayed. Spores absorb chakra and then grow to full sized beings. Where do you see Zetsu do any of that here? All your nonsense point means is that the spore jutsu wasn't what Sasuke was tagged with. Which would make sense as they lack any of the spore's abilities.

Spores are time delayed, as shown in the Manga. Stupidly dancing around that fact with evidence that doesn't even matter isn't helping your argument.

Oh man... We're really gonna have to start at step 1.
Spores are a form of Zetsu's parasitic clones. [

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"parasitically infects life forms with chakra and absorbs it"

If you look at Sasuke there is nothing on

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Out of nowhere, spores sprout into

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Spores can turn into parasitic clones.
UNLESS
You want to go against what you already said, when talking about the spores. You provided this scan:

The Manga shows that you need Senjutsu to activate it manually. Once again, your opinion is 100% irrelevant to me.

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Saying that spores can be activated manually with senjutsu.
Those spores (Click on your own scan) were the same exact thing that was on sasuke when he hit that wall.
If you're ready to concede on this argument I also have more arguments, without even using the traditional spore tech.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh man... We're really gonna have to start at step 1.
Spores are a form of Zetsu's parasitic clones. [

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"parasitically infects life forms with chakra and absorbs it"

Is English not your first language? Or, once again, are you just this dumb?

Where do you see Zetsu do any of that here? All your nonsense point means is that the spore jutsu wasn't what Sasuke was tagged with. Which would make sense as they lack any of the spore's abilities.

I hope that's clear cut enough for you. As for the rest of your post, no. Once again you take the "let's ignore Manga fact and twist shit" route since you don't have any real argument at this point, which isn't surprising given who I'm arguing with in the first place.

"parasitically infects life forms with chakra and absorbs it"

Meaning it infects life forms (Which is what a parasite does) and then absorbs their chakra. "Parasitically" refers to it being a parasite (Do I have to define 'parasite' for you since you've had trouble comprehending basic english text?). Doesn't refer to it being the same jutsu as Zetsu's clone technique, which it is not. Spores take in chakra and then grow to full size. Fact. Parasite clones do not need to in order to reach full size. Fact.

Keep on grapsing at straws though. It's all I expect from you at this point.

 

[Curse Mark]

Is English not your first language? Or, once again, are you just this dumb?



I hope that's clear cut enough for you. As for the rest of your post, no. Once again you take the "let's ignore Manga fact and twist shit" route since you don't have any real argument at this point, which isn't surprising given who I'm arguing with in the first place.

"parasitically infects life forms with chakra and absorbs it"

Meaning it infects life forms (Which is what a parasite does) and then absorbs their chakra. "Parasitically" refers to it being a parasite (Do I have to define 'parasite' for you since you've had trouble comprehending basic english text?). Doesn't refer to it being the same jutsu as Zetsu's clone technique, which it is not. Spores take in chakra and then grow to full size. Fact. Parasite clones do not need to in order to reach full size. Fact.

Keep on grapsing at straws though. It's all I expect from you at this point.

Dude are you even serious?
You're the one who brought the scans of Jugo using senjutsu on what you admitted said were spores.
That was the same exact thing that was on Sasuke at the bridge.
But of course you simply forgot to counter that part, so I'll wait for that.

 

[Scryed]

Wood Style:ShinsuZetsu owns Tsunade.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude are you even serious?
You're the one who brought the scans of Jugo using senjutsu on what you admitted said were spores.
That was the same exact thing that was on Sasuke at the bridge.
But of course you simply forgot to counter that part, so I'll wait for that.

Ive already addressed this. In bold sized up letters no less. Though seeing as you have no real reply, once again you take the route of sticking your head up your ass and not reading before you reply. Read, reply, and then you get a reply, cause frankly arguing with someone who cant follow daid argument is nothing but a pain in my ass.

 

[Dreamland]

4 pages of glory.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

The fact that people are seriously trying to argue for Zetsu makes me lose faith in humanity...

Fodders could stomp Zetsu, this should not be debatable. He is not made for 1v1 fights.

 

[BlacLord™]

I've still yet to see anyone give a counter to spores

Mei put no effort unto destroying the spores, and didn't hurry to get rid either.

Zetsus are weak and spore absorption is slow. Sasuke could still barely stand due to his exhausted levels despite being given the collected chakra. Spores get swiped with Mesu or plain pulled off with brute force. Not to mention that Zetsus have

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battle exp., so their reflexes are slow and unhoned so they will be hit by Tsunade.

OT: Tsunade wins; anyone saying otherwise needs their heads checking.

 

[Curse Mark]

Ive already addressed this. In bold sized up letters no less. Though seeing as you have no real reply, once again you take the route of sticking your head up your ass and not reading before you reply. Read, reply, and then you get a reply, cause frankly arguing with someone who cant follow daid argument is nothing but a pain in my ass.

Smfh. So you think that the clones on Sasuke, undetectable by dojutsu, just like spores, which react to chakra, just like spores, were not spores? Clearly the difference is Zetsu grows slowly when forcefully taking chakra from other people VS being given senjutsu, or using his own chakra to appear. All right, you're delusional.
Since you contradicted yourself and are refusing to see anything from any perspective other than the one you're currently in, let's talk about something else.
Zetsu mayflys with the environment, becoming untouchable.
Parasitic clones spawn. One rushes Tsunade and she kills it. After touching her, Zetsu gains the ability to have his clones transform into her. Tsunade has to fight off her own clones, identical to her down to the chakra. Basically Tsunade VS Multiple Tsunades. In the midst of the battle, Black Zetsu mayflies from behind her and attaches to her body, sucking her chakra dry. Which doesn't even need to be point blank.
Or, comes up from the Earth underneath her, impales her and her will is completely gone.
Either way, full control over her body as her sucks her chakra dry.
What's Tsunade doing to the guy that survived being bisected with no damage?

 

[KidGamer65]

Smfh. So you think that the clones on Sasuke, undetectable by dojutsu, just like spores, which react to chakra, just like spores, were not spores? Clearly the difference is Zetsu grows slowly when forcefully taking chakra from other people VS being given senjutsu, or using his own chakra to appear. All right, you're delusional.
Since you contradicted yourself and are refusing to see anything from any perspective other than the one you're currently in, let's talk about something else.

Uh, no.

1. Zetsu reacts to Senjutsu. That is what was said. Zetsu didn't absorb the Senjutsu and grow to full size. Do me a favor and READ these scans being provided. Sasuke was the recipient of the Senjutsu. Zetsu reacted as he was attached to Sasuke at the time.

2. The rest is irrelevant as your claims are backed by nothing but your opinion, which I honestly don't care for.

Zetsu mayflys with the environment, becoming untouchable.

Tsunade's punches wreck the environment. Try again.

Parasitic clones spawn. One rushes Tsunade and she kills it. After touching her, Zetsu gains the ability to have his clones transform into her. Tsunade has to fight off her own clones, identical to her down to the chakra. Basically Tsunade VS Multiple Tsunades. In the midst of the battle, Black Zetsu mayflies from behind her and attaches to her body, sucking her chakra dry. Which doesn't even need to be point blank.

And do you have any proof that the other Zetsu can replicate Tsunade just because one (now dead) Zetsu got punched by her? Cause if you don't then your claim doesn't even help your point. Then you'd have to show that they are equal in strength to the person they are copying, which I know for a fact you can't even do, mainly because chapter 487 already proves that they are inferior to the original.

And besides, Zetsu would have to touch Tsunade, not the other way around. And Zetsu won't touch her, ever. So we can scratch this nonsense strategy out. Even if it succeeds, a single punch to the ground obliterates him and all his clones, and then BZ gets the same treatment. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that this:

What's Tsunade doing to the guy that survived being bisected with no damage?

Nonsense here isn't a serious question, and that you've read enough of the Manga to realize that asking that question alone is enough reason for me to stop taking anything you say seriously.

 

[Curse Mark]

Tsunade's punches wreck the environment. Try again.

And do you have any proof that the other Zetsu can replicate Tsunade just because one (now dead) Zetsu got punched by her? Cause if you don't then your claim doesn't even help your point. Then you'd have to show that they are equal in strength to the person they are copying, which I know for a fact you can't even do, mainly because chapter 487 already proves that they are inferior to the original.

And besides, Zetsu would have to touch Tsunade, not the other way around. And Zetsu won't touch her, ever. So we can scratch this nonsense strategy out. Even if it succeeds, a single punch to the ground obliterates him and all his clones, and then BZ gets the same treatment. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that this:



Nonsense here isn't a serious question, and that you've read enough of the Manga to realize that asking that question alone is enough reason for me to stop taking anything you say seriously.

What do you expect to happen when Tsunade wrecks the environment? Just so I can counter that.
Touch is a two way street. If there is skin to skin contact, they are touching. Either way, a parasitic clone can mayfly from below and behind her and touch her. Which she cannot sense or predict.
You are right, they aren't quite as strong as the original. But like Obito stated, they are a distraction. 6 of them can surely distract Tsunade long enough for her to be attacked by BZ.
I have no idea what you mean. If slicing couldn't injure BZ in his real jelly-like form, what can her punches do?
BZ ends this, mid diff at most.

 

[super yang]

The fact that people are seriously trying to argue for Zetsu makes me lose faith in humanity...

Fodders could stomp Zetsu, this should not be debatable. He is not made for 1v1 fights.

Irony, irony & mooooore irony~

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you expect to happen when Tsunade wrecks the environment? Just so I can counter that.
Touch is a two way street. If there is skin to skin contact, they are touching. Either way, a parasitic clone can mayfly from below and behind her and touch her. Which she cannot sense or predict.
You are right, they aren't quite as strong as the original. But like Obito stated, they are a distraction. 6 of them can surely distract Tsunade long enough for her to be attacked by BZ.
I have no idea what you mean. If slicing couldn't injure BZ in his real jelly-like form, what can her punches do?
BZ ends this, mid diff at most.

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Ignore the words and numbers. Not my doing.

Uh, if you can prove that this is the case for Zetsu's jutsu, then sure. Until then, you don't have a point, just like most of the stuff in your post. Obito needs to touch an opponent to warp them, yet he can't warp when they touch him. Big difference.

She can't sense, predict or feel Mayfly. Unless he has a distraction, BZ gets one shotted the moment he tries to touch her regardless of it being from behind or the front, and this distraction strategy of yours fails for the simple fact that 6 zetsu clones=6 more fodder level combatants, and once they get caught in the AoE of Tsunade's punch or kick, they all die. Really that simple.

 

[Curse Mark]

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Ignore the words and numbers. Not my doing.

Uh, if you can prove that this is the case for Zetsu's jutsu, then sure. Until then, you don't have a point, just like most of the stuff in your post. Obito needs to touch an opponent to warp them, yet he can't warp when they touch him. Big difference.

She can't sense, predict or feel Mayfly. Unless he has a distraction, BZ gets one shotted the moment he tries to touch her regardless of it being from behind or the front, and this distraction strategy of yours fails for the simple fact that 6 zetsu clones=6 more fodder level combatants, and once they get caught in the AoE of Tsunade's punch or kick, they all die. Really that simple.

Zetsu is literally merged with the earth. What would destroying it do? It's not like hiding like a mole where you uncover or reveal them. You're right that she cant sense, predict, or feel mayfly. So how would she react to him appearing behind her? He doesn't even need to get close to take control of her OR he could come from beneath her foot and take control of her.
What would punching BZ do to him?

 

[KidGamer65]

Zetsu is literally merged with the earth. What would destroying it do? It's not like hiding like a mole where you uncover or reveal them. You're right that she cant sense, predict, or feel mayfly. So how would she react to him appearing behind her? He doesn't even need to get close to take control of her OR he could come from beneath her foot and take control of her.
What would punching BZ do to him?

Hmm, not sure if I should take this bolded part seriously or not.

She doesn't need to feel him move to react to his attack, because his attack and mayfly are two completely different actions. Underlined is baseless, and the italicized is worthless when he can't blitz her, with or without Mayfly.

I would've hoped that you would use common sense and arrive at

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conclusion by yourself, but who was I kidding? :lol.

-Sakura killed Zetsu with a PUNCH.
-Shinobi were killing Zetsu with their ordinary attacks.

Tell me more about how he survives a punch from Tsunade because he got cut in half, despite the two being completely different types of damage. What's worse is that the thing that bisected him is nowhere near as powerful as Tsunade's hits anyway.