Zetsu takes the Gauntlet

[KidGamer65]

Anyway Zetsu probably stops at B or Nagato, one of the two. Leaning toward the former.

 

[Avinash012]

His ability to travel underground is somewhat slower than Obito's kamui. His feat was using a mini shinchinchong jutsu spiral already shown the ability to use better mokuton than obito and yamato, even if he couldn't use other mokuton moves(which i don't see why he can't) his ability to use shinchingong is enough to beat the 8 tails.

Well,Iam talking about how he reaches the ground/enters it even b4 TBB can hit him and I don't think Zetsu's wood is strong enough to take on a Bijju ,no need to mention Bee can use V2/V3 to use fast moves to avoid Wood.

Lol i thought i was the only one who found the inconsistency around the cloaks:

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It's really surprising indeed

As for the topic, he probably stops at 6

Lol,not only that,No one in NB cares about how Tsunade and Sakura are out of chakra without even releasing the seal.

 

[Touken]

Edit - nvm, no point discussing it now.

 

[AGoodBoy]

But wouldn't they have died if not for Hiruzen's intervention?

Yea, probably, without chakra. The key point is that all these people were holding their own against One of hashi's strongest techs with basic evasion and taijutsu. Again pointing to base ay who was defending SA with 1 arm.
What is true is that without hiruzen, these guys were 100% guaranteed to die eventually.

Well I don't know how SA can't use their KCM power despite of having cloak.

About Kage's, u got good points there but I thought healing jutsu would helps u to recover/restore most of ur chakra so it is only logical to say that they are atlesat above 50%.
Still I can't see how their lame ass jutsu's would work on this dude,Onoki even said that there are using their best jutsu so if safe to assume that even jinton has no effect on it as 50% Onoki can atleast use 2-4 jinton attacks.

@bold: Like I said, they most likely have a 'dry' cloak from minato. Cloak's there but has no chakra. It's the same way minato's in KCM but he apparently self stated "I have no more chakra". Kishi logic, I don't fk with it anymore.

Healing uses the users chakra. Tsunade can't really heal all the gokage up to full health if she has a shit load less chakra than them. Just look at sakura(pg before last of newest chapter), when he chakra was running low, her 'healing sphere' shrunk and she could offer only less and less healing to naruto. Off the chakra tsunade got from karin then had to use to replenish gokage, I doubt they have 50% chakra. Think about it logically;

-Karin's an uzumaki and has a large pool right?
- Tsunade also has a large pool right?
-Now, Gaara's a post-jin with an increased pool from his bijuu and Ay's stated to having bijuu levels of chakra

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. Karin was even freaked out.
Now, to state tsunade can spread out 50% chakra 5 ways is to suggest that, not only her, but karin also has 2.5x as much chakra as bijuu? That's f***ing insane.

*I doubt onoki was refering to that moment. there's no scars showing jinton was used. Even

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looks like the

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when shinshuu's just summoned. There's a few things that suggest to me that zetsu just arrived and just summoned that bhuuda.

 

[Avinash012]

Healing uses the users chakra. Tsunade can't really heal all the gokage up to full health if she has a shit load less chakra than them. Just look at sakura(pg before last of newest chapter), when he chakra was running low, her 'healing sphere' shrunk and she could offer only less and less healing to naruto. Off the chakra tsunade got from karin then had to use to replenish gokage, I doubt they have 50% chakra. Think about it logically;

-Karin's an uzumaki and has a large pool right?
- Tsunade also has a large pool right?
-Now, Gaara's a post-jin with an increased pool from his bijuu and Ay's stated to having bijuu levels of chakra

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. Karin was even freaked out.
Now, to state tsunade can spread out 50% chakra 5 ways is to suggest that, not only her, but karin also has 2.5x as much chakra as bijuu? That's f***ing insane.

Yes, healing uses users chakra but I don't think the amount of chakra a victim can restore from healing =/= to the amount of chakra madic used to heal the vicim.It is same as taking a part of Madic's chakra but I don't think it works like that,IMO recovery process only helps the victim to restore his chakra faster and it has nothing to do with the amount of chakra madic uses to heal.

Onoki was referring to that movement and I can't see a reason for kages to run out of chakra if Zetsu just arrived a movement ago.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yes, healing uses users chakra but I don't think the amount of chakra a victim can restore from healing =/= to the amount of chakra madic used to heal the vicim.It is same as taking a part of Madic's chakra but I don't think it works like that,IMO recovery process only helps the victim to restore his chakra faster and it has nothing to do with the amount of chakra madic uses to heal.

Onoki was referring to that movement and I can't see a reason for kages to run out of chakra if Zetsu just arrived a movement ago.

@bold: I'll give you a small

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. while the 4 gokage had to do that, tsunade had

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to do.
I'm not suprised those guys were all out of chakra before madara went apeshit.

I don't think that's how healing works TBH... maybe it is, but I doubt it... In the first place, during super jinton we see that tsunade was transferring chakra to oonoki, So we defo know that she does at least transfer chakra... In any case, If healing increases their rate of chakra replenishment, it at least decreases tsunade's stock... So at the end of the day, They got some chakra, but tsunade still lost some...

Also, The karin scan I showed pretty much strengthens my point that healing transfers chakra. To heal up, tsunade was sucking out karin's chakra. Don't forget that when shikamaru almost, died, it was only because of chakra loss and he looked like he was beaten badly.

 

[Avinash012]

@bold: I'll give you a small

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. while the 4 gokage had to do that, tsunade had

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to do.
I'm not suprised those guys were all out of chakra before madara went apeshit.

I don't think that's how healing works TBH... maybe it is, but I doubt it... In the first place, during super jinton we see that tsunade was transferring chakra to oonoki, So we defo know that she does at least transfer chakra... In any case, If healing increases their rate of chakra replenishment, it at least decreases tsunade's stock... So at the end of the day, They got some chakra, but tsunade still lost some...

Also, The karin scan I showed pretty much strengthens my point that healing transfers chakra. To heal up, tsunade was sucking out karin's chakra. Don't forget that when shikamaru almost, died, it was only because of chakra loss and he looked like he was beaten badly.

Yes,that's how it works other wise Sakura

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makes no sense.
Sakura said that

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,Naruto's base chakra is atleast 2 X Sakura's chakra and Sakura has been healing fodders,fighting with Juubi and saving chakra for her seal,she can't possibly recover Naruto's chakra if the chakra used to heal = restored chakra.

I think that Gokage thing is pointless so let us leave that.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yes,that's how it works other wise Sakura

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makes no sense.
Sakura said that

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,Naruto's base chakra is atleast 2 X Sakura's chakra and Sakura has been healing fodders,fighting with Juubi and saving chakra for her seal,she can't possibly recover Naruto's chakra if the chakra used to heal = restored chakra.

I think that Gokage thing is pointless so let us leave that.

Honestly, she can. At that point, Sakura's total chakra more than likely dwarfs base naruto's chakra(without kyuubi) by a considerable margin. Let's not forget she has 3 years of chakra stocked up... For all we know, that's her chakra pool x 1095(days). Even if we be a little generous and say, in those 3 years, she only tripled her chakra pool, that's still most likely 50% greater than naruto as kakashi stated base naruto only has about 2-3 times more chakra than him...
All I'm saying is, Sakura and Tsunade aren't transfering base chakra. Like katsuya said, she works off their byakugo seal... That's years of chakra stored. That has to dwarf normal people's base pool at the very least otherwise it's pointless storing up chakra for 3 years to still have a shit pool.

 

[Curse Mark]

Feats of Zetsu being fast enough to do that even b4 Bee's TBB can reach him? and do u really think a TBB won't effect ground?

It's instant?

 

[Avinash012]

Honestly, she can. At that point, Sakura's total chakra more than likely dwarfs base naruto's chakra(without kyuubi) by a considerable margin. Let's not forget she has 3 years of chakra stocked up... For all we know, that's her chakra pool x 1095(days). Even if we be a little generous and say, in those 3 years, she only tripled her chakra pool, that's still most likely 50% greater than naruto as kakashi stated base naruto only has about 2-3 times more chakra than him...
All I'm saying is, Sakura and Tsunade aren't transfering base chakra. Like katsuya said, she works off their byakugo seal... That's years of chakra stored. That has to dwarf normal people's base pool at the very least otherwise it's pointless storing up chakra for 3 years to still have a shit pool.

I don't think she was using the chakra that she has been saving for 3Y to recover Naruto as she wouldn't have completed her seal due to lack of chakra,if anything she actually saving a little of her regular chakra to add it to her self so that she can fill the seal which is y I said that she can't recover Naruto as she can't even uses 50% of her regular chakra to heal Naruto at that time.
If that seal can store that much chakra I can't see a reason for Tsunade to run out of chakra during her battle with Oro as well as Madara,She didn't remote healing during those battles afterall.

It's instant?

NO.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I don't think she was using the chakra that she has been saving for 3Y to recover Naruto as she wouldn't have completed her seal due to lack of chakra,if anything she actually saving a little of her regular chakra to add it to her self so that she can fill the seal which is y I said that she can't recover Naruto as she can't even uses 50% of her regular chakra to heal Naruto at that time.
If that seal can store that much chakra I can't see a reason for Tsunade to run out of chakra during her battle with Oro as well as Madara,She didn't remote healing during those battles afterall.



NO.

'Tsunade was rusty during her battle with oro. We don't know if she was even storing chakra anymore. The seal probably just had enough chakra at that point to keep her youth so she was running on base stock against oro. She didn't fight in years after all with no intention to... so no point in it. Then she became hokage and you know.
Against madara, Tsunade had to replenish Gaara (bijuu levels) and onoki. Then had to replenish mei. Then had to replenish onoki again. Then had to mitotic regenerate Severe stab wounds and burns several times - mitotic regen funnels chakra to each cell to speed splitting, so that chakra she uses for a susano'o sized cut would be massive. In all honesty, during the Madara fight, she uses leagues more chakra than every single other person with just the byakugo.

As to your sakura point .I get what you're saying, though the chakra was still in her forehead after all. It's just the seal that didn't form yet... I doubt it took much from her seal to replenish naruto... Her base pool isn't all that bad. With her perfect chakra control, she'd not be wasting any chakra as she transfered over. But, again, I see where you're coming from.

I'm not too clear on exactly how the whole healing thing in the manga works. There's plenty suggesting it's just transfering chakra (see: karin transfering chakra to tsunade, or chiyo transfering all her chakra to gaara) but that would suggest the giver has more chakra than the recipient. Maybe that's why tsunade formed the seal in the first place, to be able to heal jiraiya and oro during constant battle.

 

[Penguin]

Does Tobirama get an edo summon? ~_~

 

[Curse Mark]

Zetsu easily merges with the ground before Bee can charge a TBB. That's all im saying.

 

[Penguin]

Zetsu easily merges with the ground before Bee can charge a TBB. That's all im saying.

How fast is Zetsu when he merges with the ground? If Bee shot off a TBB where Zetsu submerged in, would the radius of the blast be enough to plaster Zetsu?

 

[Curse Mark]

How fast is Zetsu when he merges with the ground? If Bee shot off a TBB where Zetsu submerged in, would the radius of the blast be enough to plaster Zetsu?

Once he merges with the ground, the TBB has no chance. Zetsu's not receiving damage from the blast. It's already been noted how fast he travels underground on several occasions.

 

[Avinash012]

'Tsunade was rusty during her battle with oro. We don't know if she was even storing chakra anymore. The seal probably just had enough chakra at that point to keep her youth so she was running on base stock against oro. She didn't fight in years after all with no intention to... so no point in it. Then she became hokage and you know.
Against madara, Tsunade had to replenish Gaara (bijuu levels) and onoki. Then had to replenish mei. Then had to replenish onoki again. Then had to mitotic regenerate Severe stab wounds and burns several times - mitotic regen funnels chakra to each cell to speed splitting, so that chakra she uses for a susano'o sized cut would be massive. In all honesty, during the Madara fight, she uses leagues more chakra than every single other person with just the byakugo.

As to your sakura point .I get what you're saying, though the chakra was still in her forehead after all. It's just the seal that didn't form yet... I doubt it took much from her seal to replenish naruto... Her base pool isn't all that bad. With her perfect chakra control, she'd not be wasting any chakra as she transfered over. But, again, I see where you're coming from.

I'm not too clear on exactly how the whole healing thing in the manga works. There's plenty suggesting it's just transfering chakra (see: karin transfering chakra to tsunade, or chiyo transfering all her chakra to gaara) but that would suggest the giver has more chakra than the recipient. Maybe that's why tsunade formed the seal in the first place, to be able to heal jiraiya and oro during constant battle.

I thought Tsunade developed it after leaving the village also Tsunade was using her chakra to keep her beauty even b4 pains attack but still managed to heal whole village where as she runout of chakra pretty easily in an actual battle against Oro which lead me belive that my reason makes abit more sense than madic donating his/her own chakra.
whatever,I guess we both have proper reasons to support our argument and can go forever like this since manga didn't explained it clearly.
Thanks man, I managed to gain abit more knowlegde about this topic because of u

 

[AGoodBoy]

I thought Tsunade developed it after leaving the village also Tsunade was using her chakra to keep her beauty even b4 pains attack but still managed to heal whole village where as she runout of chakra pretty easily in an actual battle against Oro which lead me belive that my reason makes abit more sense than madic donating his/her own chakra.
whatever,I guess we both have proper reasons to support our argument and can go forever like this since manga didn't explained it clearly.
Thanks man, I managed to gain abit more knowlegde about this topic because of u

Yea same. I'm no tsunade pro BTW. I can't remem full background on her medics

 

[BlacLord™]

You have to put some logic at what your saying. Kakuzu fought hashirama without the masks. To assume hashirama used any powerful Mokuton against Kakuzu is flawed logic. All the feats and hype hashirama has would put the scenario in Hashi stomping Kakuzu and letting him live.

Exactly my point.

And I never suggested he used powerful Mokuton, just that he managed to survive a match. This whole thread is a barrel of laughs, the Akatsuki's lackey facing off against the Top 30? Just rofl.

 

[Shura]

Exactly my point.

And I never suggested he used powerful Mokuton, just that he managed to survive a match. This whole thread is a barrel of laughs, the Akatsuki's lackey facing off against the Top 30? Just rofl.

Do you lack the ability to read or at the very least look at the pictures in the OP?​

 

[Boston Rob]

Whaa.... Giving him such oponents like Minato and Itachi and feeling confident that he can beat them, what are you smoking dude? Lol