Zero Path's Sasuke's Tsukuyomi Theory

[Ghostofthewind]

I agree with you to an extent. I DO think that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. What makes me doubt it is NOT the recent chapter about Sasuke using a Sharingan Genjutsu to break Itachi free from Kabuto's sound illusion, but this...

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Though the translation isn't the greatest, the message I get from this is that Itachi is surprised that Sasuke could use Susano'o. If he knew he transferred his eye techniques to Sasuke, why would this come as a surprise?

What I wonder is if it is a writers message meant to highlight differences between Itachi and Sasuke.

We've seen Itachi use Tsukuyomi under two means.

1. In his fake fight against Sasuke.

2. To incapacitate someone so they can no longer fight.

In his fight with Sasuke, it's obvious that his Tsukuyomi is weaker than what we saw before. But when he uses it against others, it seems that he is just trying to stop them from fighting before he has to cause serious harm. Which reflects the essentially "good" nature of Itachi.

Sasuke on the other hand, is more skilled with Amaterasu, which is a jutsu meant to harm his opponent. Sasuke is shown to be an antagonist that wants to destroy (albeit one that keeps his promises not to harm shinobi from Konoha). This reflects the "bad" nature of Sasuke.

My two cents. Any thoughts?



You realize that Narutowiki is NOT a totally reliable source right? It can be altered by ANYONE. Even you and I.

If you notice the more Sasuke used lightening techniques he the more evil he became. He started to use them instead of fire techniques which I think is symbolic of Sasuke losing the will of fire. So maybe you do have a point in there.

I'm just sick of people saying Itachi's Tsukuyomi can't take out Jinchuuriki. According to the manga, it can.

 

[Uchiha Jinchuuriki]

so why would it say tsukiyomi..... seriously.... people need to start reading the words that are RIGHT ON THE MANGA PAGES

I agree with this

 

[Super Kami Guru]

If it sucks that bad is it worth calling Tsukuyomi
476-481 Sasuke v Danzo
257 Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto, Chio v 1/13th of Itachi's power
142 Itachi uses Tsukuyomi on Kakashi

yes just as tobi explains to danzo..... a technique or ability like the sharingan is only as good as it's user. even tho sasuke's genjutsu abilities arent as strong as itachi;s he can still use it.... it;s still a high level genjutsu. yes he can't alter the time but it still convinced danzo that he had more time when he didn't aka a master with a rock will beat a rookie with a kunai

 

[Ssoul Eater]

He can use Tsukyomi but not up on the level of Itachi. Remember you need both amaterasu & Tsukyomi to awake Susano. Also he used it against bee which is why his eyes were bleeding at that tym but Bee broke out of it since he's perfect jinchurriki..

 

[Ghostofthewind]

He can use Tsukyomi but not up on the level of Itachi. Remember you need both amaterasu & Tsukyomi to awake Susano. Also he used it against bee which is why his eyes were bleeding at that tym but Bee broke out of it since he's perfect jinchurriki..

Bee broke out of it because Sasuke's sucks. Itachi's would have taken Bee out.

 

[Bright Master]

Nice Point. I totally agree with u. Exept that no one has actually looked the man dead in the eye, but still, lol. IM NOT BEING SARCASTIC!!!!

 

[Trendy]

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[Zero Path]

I agree with you to an extent. I DO think that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. What makes me doubt it is NOT the recent chapter about Sasuke using a Sharingan Genjutsu to break Itachi free from Kabuto's sound illusion, but this...

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Though the translation isn't the greatest, the message I get from this is that Itachi is surprised that Sasuke could use Susano'o. If he knew he transferred his eye techniques to Sasuke, why would this come as a surprise?

What I wonder is if it is a writers message meant to highlight differences between Itachi and Sasuke.

We've seen Itachi use Tsukuyomi under two means.

1. In his fake fight against Sasuke.

2. To incapacitate someone so they can no longer fight.

In his fight with Sasuke, it's obvious that his Tsukuyomi is weaker than what we saw before. But when he uses it against others, it seems that he is just trying to stop them from fighting before he has to cause serious harm. Which reflects the essentially "good" nature of Itachi.

Sasuke on the other hand, is more skilled with Amaterasu, which is a jutsu meant to harm his opponent. Sasuke is shown to be an antagonist that wants to destroy (albeit one that keeps his promises not to harm shinobi from Konoha). This reflects the "bad" nature of Sasuke.

My two cents. Any thoughts?

Ah! Very well done. I hadn't thought of that. Although, I believe it was said by Tobi That it was rare for Sharingan wielders to awaken Susanoo.(To lazy find The manga scan). I believe Itachi's Comment was more based on that, As Susanoo seems to be usable by other Uchiha, and not likely one of Itachi's Transferred Techs.

 

[Zero Path]

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Pointless post.

 

[Styles]

Bee broke out of it because Sasuke's sucks. Itachi's would have taken Bee out.

well personally i think sasuke has been training in his Tsukuyomi cause when he got MS he uses his genjutsu in almost all his fights and of course itachi can like I said in a different thread if itachi doen't like killing then how would you capture a tailed beast he use tsukuyomi how do you think he be handling his quota

 

[Styles]

Ah! Very well done. I hadn't thought of that. Although, I believe it was said by Tobi That it was rare for Sharingan wielders to awaken Susanoo.(To lazy find The manga scan). I believe Itachi's Comment was more based on that, As Susanoo seems to be usable by other Uchiha, and not likely one of Itachi's Transferred Techs.

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[Super Kami Guru]

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finally thank you i was trying to look for this cause danzo fight is kinda unconvincing that its the tysukiyomi but he has it it's just not that good please re-read the danzo fight and it shows that he has it too...

 

[Zero Path]

here you go my good man

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Indeed, That's The one! Lol Thanks for Linking it.

 

[Ghostofthewind]

well personally i think sasuke has been training in his Tsukuyomi cause when he got MS he uses his genjutsu in almost all his fights and of course itachi can like I said in a different thread if itachi doen't like killing then how would you capture a tailed beast he use tsukuyomi how do you think he be handling his quota

Maybe because Sasuke's attack was a genjutsu and so is Tsukuyomi. Regardless Danzo didn't say Sasuke's genjutsu was Tsukuyomi and even if Danzo did (which he didn't) Danzo still said it was nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi. The point is that if Sasuke has Tsukuyomi it isn't near as strong as Itachi's.Danzo also says that Sasuke can't control time like Itachi which leads to the next point.

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Under Itachi's Tsukuyomi Kakashi's instant became 72 hours. Bee was under Sasuke's genjutsu. If it would have been Itachi's Tsukuyomi then Bee's instant under genjutsu would have been 72 hours. If Kakuzu's hearts can snap him out of Tsukuyomi (which they can't), Kakuzu still would have suffered at least 72 hours just like Kakashi.

So time does make a difference if Tsukuyomi's effects can be canceled (which they can't). An instant is enough to cripple and possibly kill with Tsukuyomi.

^That's part of the argument I made earlier about Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Ah! Very well done. I hadn't thought of that. Although, I believe it was said by Tobi That it was rare for Sharingan wielders to awaken Susanoo.(To lazy find The manga scan). I believe Itachi's Comment was more based on that, As Susanoo seems to be usable by other Uchiha, and not likely one of Itachi's Transferred Techs.

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I think there is a set limit on the amount of techniques an Uchiha can use with the Mangekyo due to the fact that it seems that Tobi knows them all. If each technique were unique, he would not know of them in the first place would he?

Edit: Someone beat me to it. Props.

 

[Zero Path]

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This is the page you are looking for.

I think there is a set limit on the amount of techniques an Uchiha can use with the Mangekyo due to the fact that it seems that Tobi knows them all. If each technique were unique, he would not know of them in the first place would he?

Edit: Someone beat me to it. Props.

Very True. Otherwise There would be no Tsuki no me plan. This is a point i don't dispute.

However, I do believe that he referred To Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu as Itachi's Eye Techniques Specifically being Transferred, But not Claiming Their Exclusivity to only Itachi. This is Especially shown by The Moons Eye Plan's very existence. Tobi Couldn't have come up with the plan to Use an infinite Tsukuyomi before Itachi Ever awakened His Sharingan If they were Itachi's Exclusive Jutsu.

Yet, It was Tobi himself That claimed Sasuke had received All of his Brothers Eye Techs. All of which leads me to believe that He was Implying Ownership Had been transferred and not That only Itachi Could use them.