Zaheer Or Sasuke: Which Revolutionist is better?

[Darth Uchiha]

Even I do not agree with his plans. I can understand how messed up they are. But than again how much of his plans do we really know? All I see you do is add up past Sasuke's crimes in to the new one. Who wants to actually change the world. So that is why I am not able to understand this hate?




So pretty much your a disappointed fan? You had all this hope for him to be changed and yet in the end he disappointed you by turning evil? You do know Kishimotto already told us that these two would have a fight as the final fight? I actually expected Sasuke to be against Naruto. Since he was already foreshadowed to have changed into someone who wanted to change the system. In fact if you have watched the latest episode you can see it.

He could've changed his mind, George Lucas did, in fact, Kishimoto himself changed his mind. I was disappointed because it made the entire fight against Obito and Madara pointless, they finally save the day, but a random asspull makes Sasuke have to screw it all up. Not to mention, it goes against the message of the series, in the end, Sasuke did exactly what Indra did, the message of forgiveness, moving on, and the Cycle of Hatred became pointless, because, in the end, *******s like Sasuke refuse to just let it go and move the hell on.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Strictly from a power standpoint, zaheer was made to look like a total amateur against korra but sasuke is on more even terms with his enemy. They are both ruthless and willing to kill like true opportunists but honestly the red lotus got defeated by a poisoned avatar, a young fire/lighting bender, a young inexperienced lava bender and 2 metal benders. Unless there are more, dedicated ans sinister members if red lotus still roaming about, sasuke's revolution seems more likely to succeed than zaheer's.

Well, Korra was in the Avatar state, can't disagree with the other two, however, though it's less about power and more about character.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What determines who isn't "weak" though? Military power, physical power, brute strength, intellectual know how, etc? What happens when people disagree on these definitions? Since the strong can dictate what they believe, it leaves little hope for the "weak" to even challenge this "system".

It can't be military since that would mean a military system is in place,(which goes against zaheer's idealz) it can't be brute strength since brute strength isn't the basis of survival.
It's pure survival. Taking advantage of what's around you or adapting to what's around you to keep yourself alive. If you can't you'll die. That simple.

Naturally since you've already been taught the rules of a defunct system you'll try to apply it to yourself and surroundings but it's only gonna lead to your downfall.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

He could've changed his mind, George Lucas did, in fact, Kishimoto himself changed his mind. I was disappointed because it made the entire fight against Obito and Madara pointless, they finally save the day, but a random asspull makes Sasuke have to screw it all up. Not to mention, it goes against the message of the series, in the end, Sasuke did exactly what Indra did, the message of forgiveness, moving on, and the Cycle of Hatred became pointless, because, in the end, *******s like Sasuke refuse to just let it go and move the hell on.

Ok answer this, Naruto at the Kage summit promised Sasuke to bring him out of this hatred correct? How would he do that if Sasuke had already turned good later on? Would you be more happy with the Hokage's changing Sasuke or would you be more happy with Naruto changing Sasuke? Like that whole scene at the Kage summit would be pointless right? That whole hype of Sasuke Vs Naruto that the fans wanted to see from the beginning of part 2?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Ok answer this, Naruto at the Kage summit promised Sasuke to bring him out of this hatred correct? How would he do that if Sasuke had already turned good later on? Would you be more happy with the Hokage's changing Sasuke or would you be more happy with Naruto changing Sasuke? Like that whole scene at the Kage summit would be pointless right? That whole hype of Sasuke Vs Naruto that the fans wanted to see from the beginning of part 2?

Except Sasuke needs to die, and Indra's soul needs to be sealed. Face it, if Itachi couldn't change him, nothing can.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Except Sasuke needs to die, and Indra's soul needs to be sealed. Face it, if Itachi couldn't change him, nothing can.

Well this will be Naruto's ultimate test. He said so himself.

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The reason no one could save him was because Kishi left it for Naruto to do.

 

[V h o]

It can't be military since that would mean a military system is in place,(which goes against zaheer's idealz) it can't be brute strength since brute strength isn't the basis of survival.
It's pure survival. Taking advantage of what's around you or adapting to what's around you to keep yourself alive. If you can't you'll die. That simple.

Naturally since you've already been taught the rules of a defunct system you'll try to apply it to yourself and surroundings but it's only gonna lead to your downfall.

Yet what would the "strong" be in your eyes? Is the world we currently live in "strong" enough or are the "weak" leading to the problems?

 

[silmarill]

Dragon solo's both neg dif Lol

 

[lucario14]

Well, Korra was in the Avatar state, can't disagree with the other two, however, though it's less about power and more about character.

Yea character is way more subjective but what I can say is sasuke's more pure but zaheer is clearly more one-sided. A more extreme version of the white lotus, kind of like how danzo was more extreme version of tobirama

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Well this will be Naruto's ultimate test. He said so himself.

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The reason no one could save him was because Kishi left it for Naruto to do.

Well, I guess you could always say that Ahsura was meant to save Indra, except Indra is extremely stubborn and refuses to learn from his predecessors mistakes...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well, I guess you could always say that Ahsura was meant to save Indra, except Indra is extremely stubborn and refuses to learn from his predecessors mistakes...

Where as Naruto said he will end this cycle to the old man himself. Seriously if you are a Naruto fan you should have more faith in your hero.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yet what would the "strong" be in your eyes? Is the world we currently live in "strong" enough or are the "weak" leading to the problems?

The world we live in is weak only due to consumerism.We have more than we need, and we always "want" thus there's no reason for us to truly evolve, instead of adapting to their surroundings, we force our surroundings to adapt to us.
Both the weak and the strong is at falt for that. At least that's how it is the U.S.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Where as Naruto said he will end this cycle to the old man himself. Seriously if you are a Naruto fan you should have more faith in your hero.

I like Naruto, but I'm an Obito fan, I enjoyed watching his journey from irredeemable to repentant, reminds me of Darth Vader's story in the PT and the OT..

 

[V h o]

The world we live in is weak only due to consumerism.We have more than we need, and we always "want" thus there's no reason for us to truly evolve, instead of adapting to their surroundings, we force our surroundings to adapt to us.
Both the weak and the strong is at falt for that. At least that's how it is the U.S.

Isn't this world made from the strong shall survive mentality? Is it not strong to force the world to adapt to you, instead of you adapting to the world? If the strong demand more, why shouldn't the strong get more? They have the power to get it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I like Naruto, but I'm an Obito fan, I enjoyed watching his journey from irredeemable to repentant, reminds me of Darth Vader's story in the PT and the OT..

Naruto was inspired by Obito. Obito is the original hero of Naruto who went wrong. The show should have been called Obito Shippuden.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Naruto was inspired by Obito. Obito is the original hero of Naruto who went wrong. The show should have been called Obito Shippuden.

I honestly wish Revolution could've been about him.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I honestly wish Revolution could've been about him.

Obito already had his shining moments. Its about time Sasuke shines.

 

[Chie]

Zaheer had a better plan, so him I suppose.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

Zaheer obviously

 

[KingHashirama]

Humans are biologically animals, other animals also show intelligence, other animals also have emotions, some other animals also form simple societies, and some other animals have things akin to language. Face it, the earth doesn't need us, it was here before we were and it'll be here when we're gone. Either way, you still didn't explain the point of that whole "Purge" post.

so humans = dogs? Is that what you are saying?

and i already did explain...... what Zaheer wants is nothing more than what the purge is..... complete chaos. Only difference is purge is a government made chaose. Zaheer's is a people made "natural" chaos.