Rainbow Dash
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How many water clones can Zabuza make from feats? IIRC, he's only made 1. So if Hiruzen accidentally wastes an RDS token on a clone, that still leaves two RDS for the real Zabuza.
Zabuza vs Part 1 Hiruzen
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Good point, i don't think the clone has a soul so i think the jutsu is cancelled... Just IMO
Thanks to this thread i went to read all the Orochimaru vs Hiruzen again... It was fun
OT: for what i just saw... Hiruzen wins sorry, his convination with ENMA matches Zabuza's strenght and speed, also ENMA can change its form to protect Hiruzen from all directions atacks at the same time... In close combat Hiruzen wins by a little advantaje... And that is what this battle is about, Clos combat, since the mist is useless and Ninjutsu is countered by both sides
Hiruzen high diff
EliteKakashi
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Zabuza can't hurt Enma(skin as hard as diamonds). Hiruzen locates Zabuza, Enma breaks him. Hiruzen goes home.
BlueMeteor
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You're wrong. He has shown to make a dozen. Plus because they arent shadow clones with chakra divided evenly, there's no reason why he couldnt make more than that
zabuza's speed and strength makes up for enma so they were be close to evenly matched in taijutsu. zabuza has more chakra so hiruzen wont be able to counter all of his jutsu. they will counter each others jutsus as u said, but hiruzen can counter as much as zabuza due to zabuza having a lot more chakra than him. so this doesn't just come down to cqc, it comes down to stamina, which hiruzen loses in while zabuza can keep up with hiruzen in cqc because the difference in their abilites isn't that great, as u said he is only "slightly" better
TheEvilOne
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TheEvilOne
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He can counter Zabuza's techniques with his own. Furthermore Zabuza has no counter to Enma.
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EliteKakashi
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Zabuza can't hurt Enma, Enma can hurt Zabuza and Hiruzen can easily locate Zabuza in the mist.
It's an awful combo for Zabuza to go up against.
NewKageism
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Because they are both real regular ninjas Zabuza is like a common ninja with skills. So basic Hiruzen can handle him.
Zab got weapon so does Hiruzen. Zab got mist but hiruzen smell
So even fightxd
Zab got weapon so does Hiruzen. Zab got mist but hiruzen smell
So even fightxd
TheEvilOne
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Hiruzen takes this.
Hiruzen stomps zabuza in terms of taijutsu, Kenjutsu, Finjutsu, and Ninjutsu.
1. Zabuza has Mist, but that isn't really effective when hiruzen can still locate him thru smell.
2. The executioner blade is useless against Enma.
3. We have already seen hiruzen battle and counter a opponent with far better suiton skills then zabuza, and successfully hold his own.
Zabuza's chakra is not as powerful as Hiruzen's as well, so even if hiruzen did use his dragon flame, it would take zabuza more effort to counter it then hiruzen actually using it. An example of this is when Madara used great fire annihilation and it took 5+ shinobi to use collaborate suiton techs to cancel the jutsu.
Hiruzen can beat zabuza in my opinion with low difficulty. He has already shown analyzing feats and battle intelligence. With enma as his partner zabuza cant win.
Hiruzen stomps zabuza in terms of taijutsu, Kenjutsu, Finjutsu, and Ninjutsu.
1. Zabuza has Mist, but that isn't really effective when hiruzen can still locate him thru smell.
2. The executioner blade is useless against Enma.
3. We have already seen hiruzen battle and counter a opponent with far better suiton skills then zabuza, and successfully hold his own.
Zabuza's chakra is not as powerful as Hiruzen's as well, so even if hiruzen did use his dragon flame, it would take zabuza more effort to counter it then hiruzen actually using it. An example of this is when Madara used great fire annihilation and it took 5+ shinobi to use collaborate suiton techs to cancel the jutsu.
Hiruzen can beat zabuza in my opinion with low difficulty. He has already shown analyzing feats and battle intelligence. With enma as his partner zabuza cant win.
I agree with Hiruzen winning but you made some mistakes
-Edo Tobirama's suiton skills back then were fodder, he only made a B-rank suiton while Zabuza could make an A-rank suiton and a lot of water clones
-You're right about Hiruzen winning in Close Combat, but that wouldn0t be Zabuza's end, his speed is on par with Kakashi, who's speed is enough to blitz 4 edo jins in v2 at the same time... Zabuza could make up fot his disadvantage in close combat with his speed
- Zabuza's chakra is so strong that it forms a demon aura around him... Also You just compared Madara's Fire jutsus to Hiruzen's... Zabuza's Suiton >= Hiruzen's Katon
-Hiruzen wins only High Diff