[VS] Zabuza vs Mei
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Her ninjutsu is fast and wide enough to trap someone of zabuza's speed.
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Nope. No restrictions. I put 150m starting distance to avoid Mei one paneling Zabuza.
Zabuza has full knowledge, and he can dilute Mei's mist in his own mist (Zabuza's feats with mist shits all over Mei's, he can produce so much more that the quantity in acid would be so low that it wouldn't harm him so he can approach). Lava release is useless if she can't see Zabuza, and Zabuza puts up v2 mist as soon as this starts.
What's this reaction people? This thread has been made before, a lot of times.
I want to see arguments for mei
Zabuza has full knowledge, and he can dilute Mei's mist in his own mist (Zabuza's feats with mist shits all over Mei's, he can produce so much more that the quantity in acid would be so low that it wouldn't harm him so he can approach). Lava release is useless if she can't see Zabuza, and Zabuza puts up v2 mist as soon as this starts.
What's this reaction people? This thread has been made before, a lot of times.
I want to see arguments for mei
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Lmao and how on earth does that happen? Does Mei get to tell the difference on water clones? Does she has Kakashi's reflexes?
Please tell me how this is a stomp. (And even better, how does Mei win)
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If Zabuza has Full knowledge on mei he will surely use distance advantage and runs as fast as posible bc he is smart shinobi and not an idiot.
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I can only pray that you don't think this match is balanced.
-Acid Mist and Hidden Mist aren't even the same kind of mist nor are they in liquid form, so them mixing together for anything to become diluted enough for Zabuza to move around freely doesn't work here. Not to mention it's air in a free and open space. It's not the entirety of Zabuza's mist mixing with the entirety of Mei's mist so why would any sort of dilution occur to the point where the acid doesn't do anything to Zabuza.
-Lol @ Zabuza being able to "out mist" Mei. Hidden Mist's thickness is dependent on the amount of chakra kneaded. Zabuza's Suiton compared with Mei's Suiton already tell us who has more chakra and who has more mastery of the element so Mei would easily spew out the same amount of mist Zabuza has been shown to produce on panel.
Acid Mist comes out, Hidden Mist comes out and does nothing to the Acid Mist then Zabuza turns to a puddle of goop if he gets anywere near Mei. Mei rapes. Stop it.
Zabuza istantly puts up v2 mist. This distance prevents him from getting eliminated by water or lava since he's fast enough to dodge those attacks from 150m. Once the mist is up he makes water clones, and the only option Mei has is:
-Attack everywhere with lava or water, which would run out her chakra with no purpose since the chance of her getting Zabuza is really low
-Surround herself with acid mist and camuflate it with Zabuza's mist, but Zabuza's mist is so much dense and he can summon so much more (if explained) that it would dilute Mei's. Mei herself can change the quantity of acid in her mist (obviously by adding more water to the mix) so Zabuza can perfectly do that, with full knowledge.
-Throw Lava to the ground in all directions to prevent Zabuza's approach, but then Zabuza can patiently wait, or use suiton to accelerate the loss of heat procces
I don't think i need to move into what happens when Zabuza gets close to Mei
-Attack everywhere with lava or water, which would run out her chakra with no purpose since the chance of her getting Zabuza is really low
-Surround herself with acid mist and camuflate it with Zabuza's mist, but Zabuza's mist is so much dense and he can summon so much more (if explained) that it would dilute Mei's. Mei herself can change the quantity of acid in her mist (obviously by adding more water to the mix) so Zabuza can perfectly do that, with full knowledge.
-Throw Lava to the ground in all directions to prevent Zabuza's approach, but then Zabuza can patiently wait, or use suiton to accelerate the loss of heat procces
I don't think i need to move into what happens when Zabuza gets close to Mei
Big ass assumption. Acid Mist is mist (definition of mist: A mass of fine droplets of water in the atmosphere near or in contact with the earth) which Mei can control PH levels :
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If what anything does here, is that Mei'st mist being outside, works the other way around for her, since she can't keep it concentrated around her. And if it does keep in that position, then it mixes with Zabuza's, which is also in an open space and he can control how dense he can make it.
Sorry pal, it's just the fact that Zabuza covered an entire battefield with a no dense version of it, and he can make it denser to completely block a sharingan's user's sight, while Mei's best feat couldn't even blocl Muu's sight.
Mei having more mastery on suiton =/= Mei having more mastery on this specific jutsu, which Zabuza uses for all his fights. And to tell you one thing
Mei being able to make as much mist as Zabuza =/= Mei being able to make as much acid mist to still harm Zabuza while diluted on his
Lmao, that "stop it". Even if Zabuza can't dilute Mei's mist (which he can) please tell me still how does Zabuza lose if he still has the upper hand. How much can Mei keep that acid mist around her on an open area? What if Zabuza just attacks with water bortex while hidden, forcing Mei to counter with her own water, which would push the acid mist around (firemen push away hot steam with water)
So don't tell me "stop" since i'm only asking you to reinforce your claim. You can just ignore Zabuza diluting Mei's mist, keep up with the second part.
pH is a measure of acidity or basisity (alkalinity) of a solution. It is approximately equivalent to the negative log of the concentration of hydronium (H3O+) ions. Because of the negative log relationship, decreased hydronium ions translates to increased pH.
When added to water, an acid releases hydrogen ions. Hydrogen ions in water combine with the water molecules to form hydronium ions, thereby increasing the pH and decreasing the acidity of water.
The same quantity of acid hydrogen divided now on more mass of water. Dilution of Ph by adding water...
edit: i made mistakes because decreasing ph = more acidity so i got confused. Already fixed. If you still want to argue that then i'll link a youtube video
When added to water, an acid releases hydrogen ions. Hydrogen ions in water combine with the water molecules to form hydronium ions, thereby increasing the pH and decreasing the acidity of water.
The same quantity of acid hydrogen divided now on more mass of water. Dilution of Ph by adding water...
edit: i made mistakes because decreasing ph = more acidity so i got confused. Already fixed. If you still want to argue that then i'll link a youtube video
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Bringing a jonin to a Kage fight is like bringing a knife to a gun fight , nuff said.
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More like hot tbh , in this case anyway.
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And I guess this is the part where you make excuses for why this isn't a stomp.
-Mei is a better Suiton user. FACT.
-Mei has more chakra. FACT.
-More chakra kneaded=Denser Mist. FACT.
So why would Zabuza be a superior? His specialty is Silent Killing, which uses said mist. Hidden Mist is stated to be a specialty of those from the village. You have no point here.
Then we have the fact you don't even have evidence that an equal amount of Acid Mist and an equal amount of Zabuza's mist would result in Zabuza being unharmed. :lol Where is the basis for this argument or did you just think that because two different mists mixed together, that Mei's acid would automatically be cancelled out?
-Why would Mei need to keep the mist around her? She has no allies. If she lets it spread out like it was doing during the Kage Summit Zabuza has less places to run and he gets turned to goop low diff. Nothing more to it.
And I'm gonna need more detail for the underlined, especially since whatever steam they are pushing around with water probably isn't in the same quantity as the mist that Mei and Zabuza can make, and then you'd have to show that it'd push it so far that Zabuza is free from the mist completely. :lol Even if this were to happen Mei can easily replace the displaced mist so Zabuza is back at square 1, him dying a low diff death.
-He can't get close.
Thus he can't win as that's the only way he'll ever deal a finish blow.
Lmao Mist being made of water particles doesn't change the fact that it's not in liquid form, but sure, we'll say that it's the same with the only
She doesn't even need to keep it concentrated around her in the first place. It spreading out only means that Zabuza has less places to run before he gets turned to a puddle of biological goop.
Bold is a nonsense point to make. If you thought before typing this you'd realize that Mei making it as dense as Zabuza's mist would result in her and her allies being blinded as well.
Lol now we are making ridiculous excuses. There is nothing special about this jutsu or about Zabuza himself that'd make him superior in it when he's inferior in all other factors that contribute to the strength of this jutsu. Him using it in all his fights isn't evidence.
-Mei is a better Suiton user. FACT.
-Mei has more chakra. FACT.
-More chakra kneaded=Denser Mist. FACT.
So why would Zabuza be a superior? His specialty is Silent Killing, which uses said mist. Hidden Mist is stated to be a specialty of those from the village. You have no point here.
Then we have the fact you don't even have evidence that an equal amount of Acid Mist and an equal amount of Zabuza's mist would result in Zabuza being unharmed. :lol Where is the basis for this argument or did you just think that because two different mists mixed together, that Mei's acid would automatically be cancelled out?
I'm telling you stop because this is a stomp match and literally everyone knows it.
-Why would Mei need to keep the mist around her? She has no allies. If she lets it spread out like it was doing during the Kage Summit Zabuza has less places to run and he gets turned to goop low diff. Nothing more to it.
And I'm gonna need more detail for the underlined, especially since whatever steam they are pushing around with water probably isn't in the same quantity as the mist that Mei and Zabuza can make, and then you'd have to show that it'd push it so far that Zabuza is free from the mist completely. :lol Even if this were to happen Mei can easily replace the displaced mist so Zabuza is back at square 1, him dying a low diff death.
-He can't get close.
Thus he can't win as that's the only way he'll ever deal a finish blow.
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disturbing the lack of mei cqc feats in this manga.
this is all i could find. lol but i'm pretty certain if zabuza had better cqc feats than mei,
then she shouldn't had lasted as long as she did against held back madara.
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this is all i could find. lol but i'm pretty certain if zabuza had better cqc feats than mei,
then she shouldn't had lasted as long as she did against held back madara.
Lmaoo so when i throw perfume in my neck it stops being liquid? good to know.
If it spreads, the concentration of it's gets resized. Zabuza can test the path with a clone and approach when it's dispersed enough. Even in an enclosed space, having already went trough susano, it didn't kill Sasuke isntantly, or the zetsus, who where a fair while there before melting. Yes, even in an enclosed space.
It IS her best feat on that category. I never said that's as much as she can make. I said there's no proof of her being able to make more.
Again, making assumptions.
First of all, Zabuza's and Mei's mis jutsus are completely different since Zabuza doesn't pull it out of his mouth, while Mei does. You saying as much chakra = more quantities doesn't mean everything when the proficienty in a jutsu comes from how one uses chakra.
Naruto has more chakra than Minato, Minato's rasengan is bigger, thus is has more chakra on it. So one can put more chakra in a jutsu proficiently, while the other one, who has more chakra, can't do it proficiently.
which again, doesn't prove that Mei can produce as much mist as Zabuza since:
1-She takes it out of her mouth
2-Acid mist obviously takes more chakra than normal mist so more chakra taxing
3-Zabuza has better feats on this category, not only that, he has great feats
Nope, read what i said.
If mei could do as much NORMAL mist as Zabuza (still have to prove how Mei has more chakra than Zabuza, since Zabuaza's water dragon could be inferior because having less skill)
Cool. I made this because it'd be fun to argue this. Since i'm sure Zabuza does not lose.
1- As it spreads it loses its concentration in air
2- As it spreads it dilutes
3- Can mei even make enough ACID MIST (definitely more chakra taxing than normal mist) with enough ph to still harm Zabuza's while diluted, when in an enclosed space when it was fully concentrated it still took a while to act?
When they put off a fire inside a house, the hot steam turns even worse than the fire itself, so they push it outside the windows.
Yeah so? LMAO, he only needs to push the one that is close to Mei, and then follow that path
In that moment Zabuza gets the oppening because of the hand seals, considering he's the one attacking, Mei has to counter with her suiton and then free herself, while Zabuza has clones that can make the water jutsu for him, while he himself waits and strikes.
Aaaand still, you still haven't said how Mei wins. If anything, Zabuza can't approach, but what then? And yes, he does approach.
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