Zabuza vs Kitsuchi

[sharingansennin]

people seem to forget, kakashi was zabuzas kryptonite, he will always be able to beat zabuza. most won't have an effective counter to the hidden mist or zabuzas incredible abilities to which i doubt we were even shown to the fullest. what if zabuza uses a water clone to distract kitsuchi and uses a water prison jutsu(something kakashi couldn't get out of).

 

[ShaneEyyy]

the only reason he needed prep time to mold chakra against the juubi was because he had used up all his chakra in fighting at the beach warzone, against the gedo mazo, and then against the juubi, all in one day. when he used the mountain jutsu against the gedo mazo, it required little to no prep time.

That's speculation, even though it makes sense. I am actually using speculation too on this. Your argument makes sense but mine does too. I'm saying it took Kitsuchi prep time because the technique is SO huge, he needs to mold and focus on his chakra first to use the technique. Both of our arguments makes sense, but both r speculation.

That doesn't matter though. I already explained that even if he has the time to use the technique, Zabuza may be already behind hiim (may not be right behind, but in that direction) and Kitsuchi may miss.

It's still likely Zabuza will get to him before he uses the technique. Look at my scenario one more time, it's very believable and I think it may persuade u further.

 

[Liath]

That's speculation, even though it makes sense. I am actually using speculation too on this. Your argument makes sense but mine does too. I'm saying it took Kitsuchi prep time because the technique is SO huge, he needs to mold and focus on his chakra first to use the technique. Both of our arguments makes sense, but both r speculation.

That doesn't matter though. I already explained that even if he has the time to use the technique, Zabuza may be already behind hiim (may not be right behind, but in that direction) and Kitsuchi may miss.

It's still likely Zabuza will get to him before he uses the technique. Look at my scenario one more time, it's very believable and I think it may persuade u further.

sigh...its not speculation, its obvious, though its really not worth arguing this much over..

look. kitsuchi, just like choji, and everyone else in the war used ninjutsu and fought nonstop for hours. the result of which is kitsuchi and everyone being out of chakra and tired when they finally fight the juubi. when kitsuchi was relatively fresh (even after fighting endless white zetsus at the crashing waves coast), his mountain jutsu required ZERO prep time. how is that speculation?

 

[ShaneEyyy]

sigh...its not speculation, its obvious, though its really not worth arguing this much over..

look. kitsuchi, just like choji, and everyone else in the war used ninjutsu and fought nonstop for hours. the result of which is kitsuchi and everyone being out of chakra and tired when they finally fight the juubi. when kitsuchi was relatively fresh (even after fighting endless white zetsus at the crashing waves coast), his mountain jutsu required ZERO prep time. how is that speculation?

Ok look i dont care about that prep time shit anymore. U still have yet to counter my argument on how Zabuza will more than likely be in the direction behind Kitsuchi by the time he even uses it.

 

[Gakido]

This is one of Zabuza's best speed feats (

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[Liath]

Ok look i dont care about that prep time shit anymore. U still have yet to counter my argument on how Zabuza will more than likely be in the direction behind Kitsuchi by the time he even uses it.

dude, you literally made up your whole own battle, i dont have to counter your imaginary sequence of events. kitsuchi can counter zabuza's mist with moving earth core, and zabuza's water dragon or water prison is countered with kitsuchis earth shield, because earth > water in NV, since the water is absorbed by the earth. zabuza has no way to survive mountain jutsu, which ends the match.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

dude, you literally made up your whole own battle, i dont have to counter your imaginary sequence of events. kitsuchi can counter zabuza's mist with moving earth core, and zabuza's water dragon or water prison is countered with kitsuchis earth shield, because earth > water in NV, since the water is absorbed by the earth. zabuza has no way to survive mountain jutsu, which ends the match.

I already said what u just said in the thread. Kitsuchi's only chance is staying on the raises terrain. Zabuza, the #1 master at stealth in the NV will surely be able to get up on the raised terrain silently and use some clone feints to get Kitsuchi off the terrain.


I'm going to make this clear because u have yet to counter, EVEN IF KITSUCHI USED EARTH SANDWICH, ZABUZA MAY BE IN THE DIRECTION BEHIND KITSUCHI ALREADY SO IT'LL COMPLETELY MISS. That's why Zabuza is the likely winner.


U have offered no good arguments so far, u r losing this debate

 

[Shikamaru101]

Doton > Suiton.
Raised Core > Hidden Mist
Earth Shield > Water Dragon
Rock Punch > Water Clones ( regular punch beats them too)
Earth Sandwich > Zabuza

Kitsuchi wins.

 

[EZQ]

I started reading the war arc again, and i analized all of kisuchi's feats... At first i tought kitsuchi wins but Zabuyza counters all of it.

Zabuza wins high dif

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Doton > Suiton.
Raised Core > Hidden Mist
Earth Shield > Water Dragon
Rock Punch > Water Clones ( regular punch beats them too)
Earth Sandwich > Zabuza

Kitsuchi wins.

You forgot Silent Killing so Zabuza wins, too bad.

 

[Penguin]

Kitsuchi wins. No reason debating with you. You want to believe in any possible way that Zabuza stands a chance. Any valid reason Kitsuchi wins, you will say "That didn't happen in my imaginary battle! I need a decent debate here."

No point.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Kitsuchi wins. No reason debating with you. You want to believe in any possible way that Zabuza stands a chance. Any valid reason Kitsuchi wins, you will say "That didn't happen in my imaginary battle! I need a decent debate here."

No point.

Oh yeah sure here all u idiots r saying "kitsuchi can just use rock sandwich" that's all u guys got.

Forget the scenario. I still made arguments within the thread countering all of Kitsuchi's moves.

Btw with my scenario which fit Zabuza's character, there is a chance he could win.

U don't have to debate with me, i showed arguments, u didn't, no need for a debate, i already won

 

[Penguin]

Oh yeah sure here all u idiots r saying "kitsuchi can just use rock sandwich" that's all u guys got.

Forget the scenario. I still made arguments within the thread countering all of Kitsuchi's moves.

Btw with my scenario which fit Zabuza's character, there is a chance he could win.

U don't have to debate with me, i showed arguments, u didn't, no need for a debate, i already won

No you didn't? You ignore everyones arguements and say you win. There is no point in debating with you.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Earth Sandwhich doesn't have much prep time, as seen when tobi attacked. You're clearly biased as anyone can create a scenario where either person wins. Zabuza is not a strong opponent.

And neither is kitsuchi, my friend. Earth Sandwich is one of the most prep timed jutsu in the series, easily in the top 5.

You also need meters @OP because if it's long range Zabuza isn't doing anything and if it's short range Kitsuchi isn't doing anything but mid range would be fair.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

And neither is kitsuchi, my friend. Earth Sandwich is one of the most prep timed jutsu in the series, easily in the top 5.

You also need meters @OP because if it's long range Zabuza isn't doing anything and if it's short range Kitsuchi isn't doing anything but mid range would be fair.

Kitsuchi and Zabuza are both really strong opponents. Maybe not as strong as the top 10, but u can't compare them to that. They r both high jounin,

Anyways thanks for agreeing it requires a lot of prep time, a lot of ignorant people on here try to deny that fact to give Kitsuchi the battle but the fact remains.


But I have to kinda disagree with u on how if it's long range Zabuza has no chance. Can u explain that for me? I would imagine Zabuza would put up the mist and move in fast to strike kitsuchi



Also, ok say it's mid range, who would u give the battle to?

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Kitsuchi and Zabuza are both really strong opponents. Maybe not as strong as the top 10, but u can't compare them to that. They r both high jounin,

Anyways thanks for agreeing it requires a lot of prep time, a lot of ignorant people on here try to deny that fact to give Kitsuchi the battle but the fact remains.


But I have to kinda disagree with u on how if it's long range Zabuza has no chance. Can u explain that for me? I would imagine Zabuza would put up the mist and move in fast to strike kitsuchi



Also, ok say it's mid range, who would u give the battle to?

Zabuza isn't doing anything at long range because he can stall with barriers so Water Dragon and Water Wall will be blocked for the time being and in the meantime prep and then use Earth Sandwich.

Mid range it's gotta be Zabuza because water clones and mist will overwhelm Kitsuchi. Mid range, mid diff.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza isn't doing anything at long range because he can stall with barriers so Water Dragon and Water Wall will be blocked for the time being and in the meantime prep and then use Earth Sandwich.

Mid range it's gotta be Zabuza because water clones and mist will overwhelm Kitsuchi. Mid range, mid diff.

So out of all 3 ranges, short, mid, long, close range Zabuza wins and mid range Zabuza wins, so 66.6%/6-7 times out of ten Zabuza is winning. So u r giving this battle to Zabuza because he's the likely winner?

 

[Penguin]

So out of all 3 ranges, short, mid, long, close range Zabuza wins and mid range Zabuza wins, so 66.6%/6-7 times out of ten Zabuza is winning. So u r giving this battle to Zabuza because he's the likely winner?

If you could read you would have his answer.

Short-Med range, he thinks Zabuza wins.

Long range, he thinks Kitsuchi wins.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

If you could read you would have his answer.

Short-Med range, he thinks Zabuza wins.

Long range, he thinks Kitsuchi wins.

This post was just instigating. Clearly I read it as I restated it. I wanted him to say it exactly, "Zabuza is the likely winner" to persuade more members.

Based on what he said Zabuza is winning more than half the time so I'm content with that,


What's with the attitude? I'm good looking

 

[Masked man]

Mm, Kitsuchi, low difficulty..