Zabuza VS Kimimaro

[Chaosmark101]

Gotta give the props to Zabuza, I doubt Kimi can fight what he cannot hear nor see.
We already know how shitty he is when he fights against characters that he cannot
predict(Lee), now let's throw in the fact that he can't even see Zabuza much less predict.

Zabuza mid difs, worst case scenario.

Zabuza may be faster than Kimi, but he can't significantly harm him since his defenses are so good. His best chance at winning this match is running/hiding waiting for Kimi to die.

 

[Exaar]

Zabuza may be faster than Kimi, but he can't significantly harm him since his defenses are so good. His best chance at winning this match is running/hiding waiting for Kimi to die.

Zabuza being faster is questionable.

Kimi scores a 4.5 in speed in the databook and zabuza's score is 4 and it's not like Zabuza has amazing speed feats to begin with.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Are you seriously trying to compare drunken fist to Zabuza? Wtf is unpredictable about a technique that has no real depth and is all linear attacks?

Yes. He can't predict what he can't see nor hear, he has no information to base where Zabazu's attack
will be, behind him, his chest, his legs? He has no hint of knowing where, meanwhile even with Lee
being visible to Kimi he couldn't predict what his action was going to be, because his movements changed
so quickly from what Kimi was seeing. It clearly indicates how heavily Kimi relies on his eyes in battle.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Zabuza being faster is questionable.

Kimi scores a 4.5 in speed in the databook and zabuza's score is 4 and it's not like Zabuza has amazing speed feats to begin with.

I definitely would like to believe that CM2 Kimi is faster but Zabuza's got some decent

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feats. Just not striking speed.

Although everyone did react seeing him disappear.

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes. He can't predict what he can't see nor hear, he has no information to base where Zabazu's attack
will be, behind him, his chest, his legs? He has no hint of knowing where, meanwhile even with Lee
being visible to Kimi he couldn't predict what his action was going to be, because his movements changed
so quickly from what Kimi was seeing. It clearly indicates how heavily Kimi relies on his eyes in battle.

Bold is BS. Kimi didn't even need to watch Sober Lee to defend against his attacks.
If he covers his body in bone masks Zabuza cant do shit.

I definitely would like to believe that CM2 Kimi is faster but Zabuza's got some decent

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feats. Just not striking speed.

Although everyone did react seeing him disappear.

Not only did everyone react like you say, against Kimi he needs movement speed not just shunshin

 

[Chaosmark101]

Not only did everyone react like you say, against Kimi he needs movement speed not just shunshin

Yeah, the post was pretty pointless lol.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Bold is BS. Kimi didn't even need to watch Sober Lee to defend against his attacks.
If he covers his body in bone masks Zabuza cant do shit.



Not only did everyone react like you say, against Kimi he needs movement speed not just shunshin

So you're telling me Kimi is going to be able to predict Zabuza's actions without anything to go on.
Seems legit. The only actual issue is that Zabuza could literally find himself jumping into bones, since he'd have no way of telling they're there himself.

 

[EZQ]

Lol what? Healthy Kimi? dies after Bone forest? You mean sick Kimi who was literally on borrowed time and fought for a good while against Naruto, Lee, & then Gaara.

Lets please try to remember that Kimi just survived being crushed by Sand Coffin & Sand Tsunami 2 chapters before. If Kimi goes CM2 doesn't try to just rush and stab him with the bone flower like he attempted against Gaara in 216 that allows him more time. He could just erect the enormous bone forrest which Gaara and Lee needed flight to evade

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] Zabuza would definitely be skewered given that not even lee could sunshine away in time.

Also where would Zabuza go? He's going to get impaled. Can't hide underground like Kakashi (even then thats a bad idea.) His sword isn't carving him a spot for breathing room. And Kimi can

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once he spots Zabuza and kills him. He won't be able to defend himself at all surrounded by the density of bones.

Hell no. Sick Kimmi dies after botne forest. Healthy Kimmi beats Zabuza. Why are you missreading my posts?

Lol, the bold just killed me:

Zabuza is a lot faster than post-operation part 1 Lee that had already fought kimi and couldn't move properly, lmao. I don't know where you were going with that. And i already adressed, there are safe spots between the bones, where he could get hurt, but not impaled.

UNDERLINE: how would kimmimaro spot Zabuza]? Don't forget the mist is still on, and Zabuza is still hiding.


And lol exaar, this is so pathetic. You haven't been able to counter what i post and you just go ahead and say i'm biased, lmao.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Hell no. Sick Kimmi dies after botne forest. Healthy Kimmi beats Zabuza. Why are you missreading my posts?

Lol, the bold just killed me:

Zabuza is a lot faster than post-operation part 1 Lee that had already fought kimi and couldn't move properly, lmao. I don't know where you were going with that. And i already adressed, there are safe spots between the bones, where he could get hurt, but not impaled.

UNDERLINE: how would kimmimaro spot Zabuza]? Don't forget the mist is still on, and Zabuza is still hiding.

I didn't misread anything, you literally posted this on the previous page. "By canon healthy kimi dies after using bone forest."

And yes Lee was slower post operation as said by Gaara but he still is one of the fastest shinobi's in part 1. If Zabuza sets up the mist, then what? It thickens and he waits? Kimi can still set up Bone forest, use his KKG to

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from incoming attacks or wait in CM form for Zabuza to approach and win in CQC with his bones. Also please point out how he would not get skewered as the bones are rising.

 

[Unorthodox]

EZQ is desperate af

Kimmi clowns this fool

I remember i owned him in that Hebi Sasuke & Asuma vs Zabuza and Kakashi thread.

 

[EZQ]

EZQ is desperate af

Kimmi clowns this fool

I remember i owned him in that Hebi Sasuke & Asuma vs Zabuza and Kakashi thread.

I don't remember that thread. But i'd gladly go back to it, since the winner definitely goes to Zabuza and Kakashi, unless CS2 and summons are unrestricted for sasuke.

 

[EZQ]

I didn't misread anything, you literally posted this on the previous page. "By canon healthy kimi dies after using bone forest."

And yes Lee was slower post operation as said by Gaara but he still is one of the fastest shinobi's in part 1. If Zabuza sets up the mist, then what? It thickens and he waits? Kimi can still set up Bone forest, use his KKG to

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from incoming attacks or wait in CM form for Zabuza to approach and win in CQC with his bones. Also please point out how he would not get skewered as the bones are rising.

Yes really bad mistake of mine. Sick kimi*

Lee is not faster than Zabuza even in a healthy state (without gates ofc) so you should admit that bringint that ito the table was a lil bit useless.

Bold: There are safe spots between the bones, if it weren't that way, it would look like a bone floor. In the first scan i posted it's pretty clear there's space, even more if he picks a bone that has already come out, and stay close to it , then use his sword as a cover on one side. I already said he wouldn't get out unscratched because of the little space and because of the side spikes the bones might have.

As the fight itslef, Zabuza can approach with clones as distractions and ambush him. He wouldn't make a lot of damage but he would at least catch Kimmi's neck or some body parts that are not as hard as his rib cage. He can keep that up until Kimmimaro's low stamina + some blood lost hits.

Kimmimaro actually can't touch Zabuza without bone forest since Zabuza:

-Sunshin's back if he gets pressured
-Kimmi doesn't have sensing or can't see him, so he can't attack him
-Kimmi can only spot Zabuza if he's close to him, but that would only happen ambush-wise with clones as distractions or water jutsus, so he can't see it coming
-A battle of attrition, which is won by the one who's not sick

 

[Exaar]

I definitely would like to believe that CM2 Kimi is faster but Zabuza's got some decent

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feats. Just not striking speed.

Although everyone did react seeing him disappear.

I was talking about Kimi in base form.

Zabuza being faster than him in C2 State is out of the question.

As the fight itslef, Zabuza can approach with clones as distractions and ambush him. He wouldn't make a lot of damage but he would at least catch Kimmi's neck or some body parts that are not as hard as his rib cage. He can keep that up until Kimmimaro's low stamina + some blood lost hits.

Hahahaha, What..............

Kimi created a layer of bones under his skin, That could withstand crushing preasure that can cause the human body to explode, Zabuza sword aint doing shit no matter how many times he hits him.

Do you even know who Kimimaro even is? or is your bias just blinding you?

 

[EZQ]

I was talking about Kimi in base form.

Zabuza being faster than him in C2 State is out of the question.

This is Zabuza's best speed feat

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He covered that much distance before Kakashi (who's agile as ****) could stand up, not to mention his sunshin was interrumpted by Kakashi's makibishi. If it was a pure sunshin from the beggining, he'd have gotten there before Kakashi touched the water. Lol. Kimmi doesn't have a speed feat like this. So before you start making your own fanfic about kimmi's movement speed (which doesn't even surpass part 1 lee's speed, who's not faster than Zabuza without gates, i hope you don't argue that) bring some scans that support your claim.

Kimimaro is really agile and has very good reflexes. His sunshin speed does not surpass Zabuza's, in cs2 either, unless you have sometihng that makes me thing Kimmimaro can replicate Zabuza's feat.

Hahahaha, What..............

Kimi created a layer of bones under his skin, That could withstand crushing preasure that can cause the human body to explode, Zabuza sword aint doing shit no matter how many times he hits him.

Do you even know who Kimimaro even is? or is your bias just blinding you?

I already said, Zabuza would aim towards not reinforced places. Pressure force <<<< piercing force when it comes to plowing trough.

Thus why JJ Madara could tank EE but got shit stabbed by a mere hand.

So gaara's sand is not a good example here, since a lot of pressure didn't break Kimmi's defence, and i'm not arguinf Zabuza's sword do, but if he aims towards kimmi's troath, he can do damage.

And still, you haven't given an argument on how Kimmimaro wins with this knowledge. So you calling me bias is something that should be taken back, since there hasn't been one point that you've proved correct here.

 

[Exaar]

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This is Zabuza's best speed feat

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He covered that much distance before Kakashi (who's agile as ****) could stand up, not to mention his sunshin was interrumpted by Kakashi's makibishi. If it was a pure sunshin from the beggining, he'd have gotten there before Kakashi touched the water. Lol. Kimmi doesn't have a speed feat like this. So before you start making your own fanfic about kimmi's movement speed (which doesn't even surpass part 1 lee's speed, who's not faster than Zabuza without gates, i hope you don't argue that) bring some scans that support your claim.

Kimimaro is really agile and has very good reflexes. His sunshin speed does not surpass Zabuza's, in cs2 either, unless you have sometihng that makes me thing Kimmimaro can replicate Zabuza's feat.

Blah Blah Blah.

I've been over this with you already, The argument of Him Blitzing Kakashi before he could stand up while ignoring the fact kakashi's main focus in that instance was the unusual water. I'm not going over this again with your over hyping of that feat.

And i'm not even going to bother entertaining Zabuza > C2 state kimi speed wise

I already said, Zabuza would aim towards not reinforced places. Pressure force <<<< piercing force when it comes to plowing trough.

It covers his entire body, Otherwise his none reinforced part would of been crushed.

Zabuza doesn't have anywhere close to enough physical strength to swing his sword hard enough to cause any damage.

You should get the thought of zabuza actually dealing damage to kimi out of your head, Nothing zabuza has is a threat to him at all.

And still, you haven't given an argument on how Kimmimaro wins with this knowledge. So you calling me bias is something that should be taken back, since there hasn't been one point that you've proved correct here.

People have already said it, Bone Forrest end's it. Replace Part 1 Kakashi's Dog summons with multiple bone spikes and you have your answer.

Your old argument is "jumping" or "finding a safe spot" which is laughable since his own Hidden mist jutsu hinders his ability to dodge this attack

 

[Curse Mark]

So you're telling me Kimi is going to be able to predict Zabuza's actions without anything to go on.
Seems legit. The only actual issue is that Zabuza could literally find himself jumping into bones, since he'd have no way of telling they're there himself.

He reacts to them the same way he reacted to Gaara's sand.



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Also are we really discussing Zabuza getting away from the bones when the hunting dogs caught him?

 

[EZQ]

Blah Blah Blah.

I've been over this with you already, The argument of Him Blitzing Kakashi before he could stand up while ignoring the fact kakashi's main focus in that instance was the unusual water. I'm not going over this again with your over hyping of that feat.

And i'm not even going to bother entertaining Zabuza > C2 state kimi speed wise

Lol. So you're ignoring the fact of the distance Zabuza covered in almost no time

, without taking into account what Kakashi was doing. And his sunshin was interrumpted. But come on, ignore it, since you don't have any kind of evidence that kimmi's c2 sunshin is higher than Zabuza's.

It covers his entire body, Otherwise his none reinforced part would of been crushed.

Zabuza doesn't have anywhere close to enough physical strength to swing his sword hard enough to cause any damage.

You should get the thought of zabuza actually dealing damage to kimi out of your head, Nothing zabuza has is a threat to him at all.



People have already said it, Bone Forrest end's it. Replace Part 1 Kakashi's Dog summons with multiple bone spikes and you have your answer.

Your old argument is "jumping" or "finding a safe spot" which is laughable since his own Hidden mist jutsu hinders his ability to dodge this attack

Adressed. And lol, using the dogs example, where there was v2 mist which hinders Zabuza's dodging ability because he can't see. But yes, keep ignoring that too, lol.

 

[EZQ]

He reacts to them the same way he reacted to Gaara's sand.



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Also are we really discussing Zabuza getting away from the bones when the hunting dogs caught him?

The hunting dogs caught him because:

-The dogs knew where he was, so they could attack him and follow his movements, hence why Zabua dodged the first dog, and the second one caught him of surprise. The bones grow on a linear way (from down to up) randomly. They're easier to dodge. The quantity is the problem, that's why i said Zabuza wouldn't get unscratched. But taking into account how the bones grow, if Zabuza stays close to one that had already growed, then he's safe.

-The v2 mist was up, which doesn't let Zabuza see either. Against Kimmimaro he uses his v1 mist, which let's him see enough.

 

[Curse Mark]

The hunting dogs caught him because:

-The dogs knew where he was, so they could attack him and follow his movements, hence why Zabua dodged the first dog, and the second one caught him of surprise. The bones grow on a linear way (from down to up) randomly. They're easier to dodge. The quantity is the problem, that's why i said Zabuza wouldn't get unscratched. But taking into account how the bones grow, if Zabuza stays close to one that had already growed, then he's safe.

-The v2 mist was up, which doesn't let Zabuza see either. Against Kimmimaro he uses his v1 mist, which let's him see enough.

The hunting dogs knowing where he was is irrelevant as bone forrest doesn't need to, it covers everything.

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You act like the bones appear one by one or with a set distance between them. Zabuza gets skewered.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kimmimaro takes this High Diff