Zabuza vs Haku

[Masked man]

Location: Naruto's bridge
Distance: 20 metres
Knowledge: None
Restrictions: None

 

[-Sky-]

Zabuza U_U

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Zabuza himself regards Haku to be stronger then him [

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[paratise]

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Asides from "hype"; i don't think Haku would be vulnerable in mist since since he is a mist ninja who fought side by side and

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, also was able to observe Kakashi's first encounter with Zabuza, a battle happened in mist. In conclusion, he found a way to

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, Zabuza would not consult Haku if he considered himself more intelligent. (Plus he can come up with a counter in this battle quickly) Haku is pretty fast in movement since he could use body flicker and covered more than 10 meters in instant to intercept Kakashi's attack, so he can avoid suiton attacks. Also i don't really know how Zabuza can counter ice mirrors.

Haku takes this imo.

 

[SnakeSkinBlade]

Haku wins, it would be hard for Zabuza to win without knowledge of her abilities.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza wins. Haku has shown to try to use his base speed and taijutsu first before engaging in ice mirrors. This will be his downfall because Sasuke who had a 2.5/5 for taijutsu, a 3 in speed, and a 2 in strength beat Haku in CQC, so if Haku engaged Zabuza who has a 4.5/5 for tai, and 4/5 for speed and strength Haku will get stomped.

 

[Masked man]

Zabuza wins. Haku has shown to try to use his base speed and taijutsu first before engaging in ice mirrors. This will be his downfall because Sasuke who had a 2.5/5 for taijutsu, a 3 in speed, and a 2 in strength beat Haku in CQC, so if Haku engaged Zabuza who has a 4.5/5 for tai, and 4/5 for speed and strength Haku will get stomped.

Zabuza said that Haku is stronger than him.. And he said to Kakashi that he might kill him but can't defeat Haku..

 

[-Sky-]

Zabuza said that Haku is stronger than him.. And he said to Kakashi that he might kill him but can't defeat Haku..

That doesn't changed the fact that Haku lost in CQC to Sasuke before Sasuke even had his Sharingan. U_U

Itachi said he and Kisame would both lose to Jiraiya btw. You buy that too? It's the same principal. Characters wank each other all the time.

 

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Lel.

Haku was holding back the entire time against Sasuke. A) According to the DB, Haku has a 4 in speed while Sasuke has a 3. And B) Zabuza was flabbergasted that Haku lost in speed [

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] which not only hints that Haku was holding back; but that not even Zabuza is faster then Haku's base speed. Also, Haku has better perception of incoming attacks [

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] and also has to have a much better reaction time then Zabuza because she is able to react at the speed of light at which she gets teleported by the mirrors

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And Haku uses Hyōton within a second when ever she gets serious or feels when it is needed [

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There is a reason why Zabuza indirectly admitted inferiority to Haku; and it wasn't at all like in Itachi's case who is the biggest liar in the manga and had Konoha in his best interest.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Zabuza's water dragon would fodderize Haku's mirrors.

 

[miromiro]

Zabuza wins easily.

 

[Masked man]

Lel.

Haku was holding back the entire time against Sasuke. A) According to the DB, Haku has a 4 in speed while Sasuke has a 3. And B) Zabuza was flabbergasted that Haku lost in speed [

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] which not only hints that Haku was holding back; but that not even Zabuza is faster then Haku's base speed. Also, Haku has better perception of incoming attacks [

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] and also has to have a much better reaction time then Zabuza because she is able to react at the speed of light at which she gets teleported by the mirrors

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And Haku uses Hyōton within a second when ever she gets serious or feels when it is needed [

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There is a reason why Zabuza indirectly admitted inferiority to Haku; and it wasn't at all like in Itachi's case who is the biggest liar in the manga and had Konoha in his best interest.

Good points. As always from you.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza further elaborated that it's Haku's jutsu that surpasses his:

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Haku isn't overall stronger than Zabuza, I mean, Zabuza has a 30.5 in the data book and Haku has 21, though the data book isn't that significant.


As Sky said, characters wank each other all the time. Itachi said Jiraiya would beat both of them, Tenten said Neji's defense is stronger than Gaara's, and Sakura wanked herself saying she is as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke now.

Going by manga feats, no talking, Zabuza beats Haku. If Haku does try to go in with his base speed he loses bc Zabuza stomps him in CQC. If he goes mirrors first, Zabuza can potentially break the mirrors with Water Dragon Jutsu or Giant Vortex Jutsu

 

[Exaar]

Haku isn't overall stronger than Zabuza, I mean, Zabuza has a 30.5 in the data book and Haku has 21, though the data book isn't that significant.

Databook stats do not indicate overall strength but overall skill. Simply having a higher overall score doesn't give you the win.

If he goes mirrors first, Zabuza can potentially break the mirrors with Water Dragon Jutsu or Giant Vortex Jutsu

I Doubt that alone would break the mirrors. Even so Haku can freeze water.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Databook stats do not indicate overall strength but overall skill. Simply having a higher overall score doesn't give you the win.



I Doubt that alone would break the mirrors. Even so Haku can freeze water.

Yeah ik that's why I said the data book isn't significant because it doesn't determine the winner.

What's the difference between overall skill and overall strength? It's the same thing bro


Scans of Haku freezing a Suiton attack?

Happy thanksgiving

 

[Exaar]

What's the difference between overall skill and overall strength? It's the same thing bro

Not always.

Take Naruto's first fight against mizuki. mizuki was a Chunin from what i remember and he got beat by a Pre-Genin naruto with shadow clones.
mizuki was obviously far above naruto in skills as a shinobi, Yet he was weaker because of naruto's shadow clones able to overwhelm him in sheer numbers, Something the databooks do not account for.

Scans of Haku freezing a Suiton attack?

Scans are hardly needed.

It's just common sense really. There is nothing stopping a suiton from freezing.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Not always.

Take Naruto's first fight against mizuki. mizuki was a Chunin from what i remember and he got beat by a Pre-Genin naruto with shadow clones.
mizuki was obviously far above naruto in skills as a shinobi, Yet he was weaker because of naruto's shadow clones able to overwhelm him in sheer numbers, Something the databooks do not account for.



Scans are hardly needed.

It's just common sense really. There is nothing stopping a suiton from freezing.

Dude... how is Haku going to freeze a huge Suiton coming at him in high speeds?? I don't see how he'll have time to do that. Also, he has very low stamina. Zabuza has high stamina, he can keep using Suitons to try to break the mirrors and if Haku keeps freezing the huge suitons with ice, he'll run out of chakra very quicker, then it's over

 

[paratise]

Zabuza wins. Haku has shown to try to use his base speed and taijutsu first before engaging in ice mirrors. This will be his downfall because Sasuke who had a 2.5/5 for taijutsu, a 3 in speed, and a 2 in strength beat Haku in CQC, so if Haku engaged Zabuza who has a 4.5/5 for tai, and 4/5 for speed and strength Haku will get stomped.

Uhh i don't want to get into a discussion with you much; but here is what you have stated in another thread:

Haku is a very bright ninja. I can't see him just charging in and using his lacking Taijutsu against a Jounin. He used it against Sasuke because Sasuke was just a Genin and Haku wanted to know his strength. You also have to bear in mind that Haku never wanted to kill him, so him getting beat by Sasuke in CQC could be simply his lack of will to actually fight him. Haku even stopped Zabuza's shuriken from killing Naruto just to save him.

Haku against Chuunin level+ ninja revolves around his mirrors to fight, as shown in Part 2. When he was fighting Kakashi's division, he was just using mirrors to teleport and attack, no basic Taijutsu. So him just charging in against Neji is just not happening.

Haku has shown to teleport himself very far distances, as shown from when he teleported himself from the ground to above Sai's birds. That being said, Haku can teleport himself a good distance above Neji's head and begin his Ice Crystal Mirrors Jutsu.

In the Ice Crystal Mirrors, Haku moves at extraordinary speed, almost as fast as S/T levels. Even though Neji has impressive speed and can see nearly all the senbon coming, his Rotation can only block so many. He can keep up Rotation by constantly spinning, but he can't spin forever. Haku has shown countless supply of senbon, it's more than likely his senbon will outlast Neji's Rotation, and then it's over.

It's also a possibility that due to Haku's intelligence, he may find Neji's blind spot and hit a vital organ or the area in the neck that stimulates death, leaving Neji open for the real kill.

This match could go either way, but I'm leaning more towards Haku.

By such logic; Haku should not go base taijutsu on Zabuza as well.

 

[Masked man]

Dude... how is Haku going to freeze a huge Suiton coming at him in high speeds?? I don't see how he'll have time to do that. Also, he has very low stamina. Zabuza has high stamina, he can keep using Suitons to try to break the mirrors and if Haku keeps freezing the huge suitons with ice, he'll run out of chakra very quicker, then it's over

Haku can use Ice dome around himself as a protection against water techniques
Ice > Water

 

[Chīkara]

Haku Mid diff.