Byakusharinnegan
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This entire spiel is nullified under the grounds of **** the Gokage, Zabuza soloes.
Zabuza is kage level (proof from manga with explanation) ..
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Indeed and zabuza caused kakashi lots of trouble and he could match and keep up with him even in speed ..Yeah I think so too. After all, Zabuza did go toe to toe with Kakashi who is much faster than Tsunade.
I believe all Zabuza needs to do is slice off her head and call it a day. Indeed, you are correct about Zabuza being underrated but sometimes you can jump the gun. I consider Zabuza to be Anbu level at best for his assassination and quick killing intent.
Zabuza is also in my top five so I can relate to how you feel.
Tsunade is so slow and with her speed I don't see her hitting zabuza.
She's outdated and she doesn't have feat in any fight even kabuto part1 destroyed her before naruto saved her ass.
That's not true , zabuza can defeat 2 to 3 from current kages while he will lose to ay and onoki
I told him that
Tsunade became kage not because she deserved it but because jiraya nominated her and if jiraya didn't want the title then he should give it to someone who deserve it like kakashi , gai or shikaku nara not to old retired woman who spent mist of her life gambling ..
I respect your opinion dude ..
Tsunade or fodderade will lose to zabuza.
Femme, you know that but i know you will never admit that
Haha , gaara part1 is still fodder aka geninn level ninja and despite he had shikaka inside him , he still no match against zabuza who fought yagura the jinchircki of 3rd tailed beast and survived against him.
Zabuza will rap part1 gaara in no difficulties and gaara failed even to defeat kimimaro who is weaker than zabuza.
Read manga and manga proof that you are wrong and troll ..
Gaara score in end of part1 in databook 26.5/40
Gaara scored in part2 (kazekage) in databook is 29/40
While zabuza scored when he died 30.5/40
Which means ..
Zabuza > gaara (shippuden)
Because it's good thread with full of details and good explanation
Mei cannot defeat zabuza and mist can never mixed with her acid lol ..
There's different between mist and gas so her acid will do nothing to his mist.
Zabuza solo her medium difficulties
Most of members agreed that he's kage level.
No zabuza rap them and you are the one who should stop lying to himself :devil:
He's easily in top10 in part1 ..
Now he's at top30 and I already made thread about it long ago and you can review it in my thread list ..
Kakashi deserves the title more than tsunade.
Mei doesn't have long range attack , her jutsu are medium range at the best while zabuza can tank his jutsu from long distance beside you didn't tell me how she can counter his mist U_U
I am not fanboy, I am fan and there's different between fanboy and fan .
Your explanation has no proof and I have already explained with details ..
That's right
Sadly you didn't provide any explanation which mean your opinion is invalid U_U
It was in anime not manga and in end of the fight all suigetsu chakra was drained and kisame told him ( I pull my words, zabuza is still better than you) ..
Zabuza beat them all medium to high difficulties except kakashi.
And again the fight was in anime not manga and in end of the fight all suigetsu chakra was drained and kisame told him ( I pull my words, zabuza is still better than you) U_U
I stopped reading after you said mei defeats zabuza , sorry but I don't think she can defeat him.
Tazzilla88
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Haha I didn't say Mei beats Zabuza, I said she stomps, beat implies it'd be some kind of struggle. There'd be no struggle, the moment Zabuza enters her crosshairs he'd be like a kitten unfortunate enough to come across a honey badger.Indeed and zabuza caused kakashi lots of trouble and he could match and keep up with him even in speed ..
Tsunade is so slow and with her speed I don't see her hitting zabuza.
She's outdated and she doesn't have feat in any fight even kabuto part1 destroyed her before naruto saved her ass.
That's not true , zabuza can defeat 2 to 3 from current kages while he will lose to ay and onoki
I told him that
Tsunade became kage not because she deserved it but because jiraya nominated her and if jiraya didn't want the title then he should give it to someone who deserve it like kakashi , gai or shikaku nara not to old retired woman who spent mist of her life gambling ..
I respect your opinion dude ..
Tsunade or fodderade will lose to zabuza.
Femme, you know that but i know you will never admit that
Haha , gaara part1 is still fodder aka geninn level ninja and despite he had shikaka inside him , he still no match against zabuza who fought yagura the jinchircki of 3rd tailed beast and survived against him.
Zabuza will rap part1 gaara in no difficulties and gaara failed even to defeat kimimaro who is weaker than zabuza.
Read manga and manga proof that you are wrong and troll ..
Gaara score in end of part1 in databook 26.5/40
Gaara scored in part2 (kazekage) in databook is 29/40
While zabuza scored when he died 30.5/40
Which means ..
Zabuza > gaara (shippuden)
Because it's good thread with full of details and good explanation
Mei cannot defeat zabuza and mist can never mixed with her acid lol ..
There's different between mist and gas so her acid will do nothing to his mist.
Zabuza solo her medium difficulties
Most of members agreed that he's kage level.
No zabuza rap them and you are the one who should stop lying to himself :devil:
He's easily in top10 in part1 ..
Now he's at top30 and I already made thread about it long ago and you can review it in my thread list ..
Kakashi deserves the title more than tsunade.
Mei doesn't have long range attack , her jutsu are medium range at the best while zabuza can tank his jutsu from long distance beside you didn't tell me how she can counter his mist U_U
I am not fanboy, I am fan and there's different between fanboy and fan .
Your explanation has no proof and I have already explained with details ..
That's right
Sadly you didn't provide any explanation which mean your opinion is invalid U_U
It was in anime not manga and in end of the fight all suigetsu chakra was drained and kisame told him ( I pull my words, zabuza is still better than you) ..
Zabuza beat them all medium to high difficulties except kakashi.
And again the fight was in anime not manga and in end of the fight all suigetsu chakra was drained and kisame told him ( I pull my words, zabuza is still better than you) U_U
I stopped reading after you said mei defeats zabuza , sorry but I don't think she can defeat him.
Tsunade beats him mid- low diff. Mid diff if he used everything he had, and didn't get put out of his misery earlier in the fight. Think of this like a single hyena challenging three lions.
Against Ay, he'd lose
Against Oonoki it'd be like a trying to fight a fighter jet with sword.
that's right ..
if someone disagree with you doesn't mean he's troll .
I provided explaination about it but you provide nothing but (mei rap zabuza / gaara rap zabuza) and that's what a trolls like you do U_U
mei:
Mei is weakest kage ever and she became mizukage because all powerful shinobi in mist died .
Mei can't hit zabuza through her lava jutsu since zabuza always fast at activated the mist jutsu.
mei doesn't have counter to zabuza's mist and she's advance version of haku .
mei doesn't have feats in fighting and she always fight in team and never had fight alone ..
and against zabuza , She will Lose her head before she can use any of her jutsu .
gaara:
Zabuza fought yagura the 4th mizukage and he was jinchircki of 3rd tailed so zabuza has experiences against jinchircki that looks similar as gaara however this fight can go either ways .
Zabuza has higher experiences in combat while gaara is still kid .
in databook gaara part2 kazekage (jinchircki form) scored 29/40 in shippuden and he's still lower than zabuza who scored 30.5/40 ..
Zabuza win this fight but with hard difficulties however gaara may win the fight as well.
honestly, I think it will be draw ..
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Monkeysageof6paths
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Dude, we understand. You like him. And we realize that he is powerful.. But you can't compare him to the 5 Kages.. Because It's not going to happen. I like the effort and the fact that you're not giving up though haha.
thanks and zabuza is low kage level ..
why not ?
that's what I was trying to say but he can't beat A and onoki while he has great chance to defeat the others and poll said it all ..
you are overrating kages so much and underrating zabuza very much .and your explanation doesn't contain any logic from manga but it based in your personal opinion and I can't force you to believe on truth since you will keep denying every fact that I already have been provided U_U
Higher databook state doesn't mean a win or loss.
Kimi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zabuza
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OfficialRikudouSennin
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Umm how does a guy with his had on fire and a gash in his chest considered winning over a guy with a busted lip that rational is really trippy
kimimaro met zabuza and he didn't fight him because he knew that he would lose
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you can't deny that zabuza had more experiences than kimimaro since he's 26 while kimimaro is 15 years old ..
however the databook of zabuza and kimimaro are same.
both scored 30.5/40
you can't say kimimiro >>>>> zabuza or zabuza >>>>>> kimimaro because that's fanboys logic and we don't really know who will win for sure ..
so the fight can goes either ways.
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Kid Kimi <<<<<< Teen Kimi with curseseal
Nothing Zabuza has can hurt Kimi's bones
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Bad Touch Yakushi
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You're persistent. Alright, i'll bite.
MEI TERUMI VS ZABUZA
Well to put it bluntly, Mei absolutely overwhelms with huge water and fire/lava jutsu. The size and heat of the fire jutsu will make the fog evaporate in seconds. She has mist techniques of her own as well as total knowledge of Zabuza's jutsu and fighting style. Zabuza is a one-trick pony with his hidden mist but Mei is a user of the same technique, so Mei is known to be capable of fighting within mist.
What will a water prison do when Mei can expand it and use it to drown Zabuza? She is an awesome kunoichi who earned the role of Kage a lot more than a lot of people. She took control and saved the most twisted village and has worked tirelessly to recreate diplomatic relations with other villages, as well as reform internal policies. She literally saved their village and you need a strong ninja to take command of the Mist, especially being an attractive woman- she earned her role more than anyone else.
Her mist jutsu is way more effective and can even act as a wind style jutsu. This mist has extremely corrosive properties, capable of melting even the bones of Sasuke Uchiha's Susanoo so goodbye Executioners Blade. Zabuza will be hugely limited with his own mist jutsu because the risk of his clouding hers, which is much more deadly and whole lot more instant. So with the Executioners Blade and Mist jutsu unusable what have we got left? A less impressive water user with a few taijutsu feats. Because they'll be a big help against Mei. Wish Zabuza was still alive so Mei could put him in his place.
ONOKI VS ZABUZA
Little really has to be said here, Zabuza's long-range jutsu are his only chance but again it just comes to the pure overwhelming nature of fighting a kage. Zabuza was shown to have to put a LOT of time into one offensive Water Dragon. Onoki can lift huge boulders and golems instantly at once, it just comes down to the fact that Zabuza simply has a special jonin moveset and can't compete with that of a Kages. Flight, ridiculously fast speed and small size make Onoki a tough target. Particle style deals with him, his water prisons (as if he'd get caught in one in the first place) and his sword.
Any ninja with flight and that is fast automatically has the edge on Zabuza. The mist and sword become ineffective and Zabuza becomes limited to running and water style jutsu. Golems work as Onoki's defensive jutsu before Onoki is on him and disintegrates him. (Did you see how fast it was against Sasuke)
AY VS ZABUZA
In my opinion, this is the kage Zabuza goes the furthest with, being blind isn't a good thing for Ay to be, and in reality he has no real counter for it. Lightning is a straight trump against water style and A's best strategy will be his lightning speed, which is even faster than Zabuza and even his silent killing feats.
Even if Zabuza can see him, he's going to have trouble cutting him down when combining his physical strength, durability and speed as factors. He'll have to violently and quickly dart around the arena like a pinball in the hope of colliding with him. Because with that speed it's only a matter of time because when he does...boom. Zabuza isn't escaping that. Then again, Ay (as shown in the fight with Naruto) can jump insanely high and could jump above the mist all-together, locating his target. Ultimately his lightning armour makes Zabuza's arsenal pretty lacklustre and incapable of doing anything too major. And when that mist clears then....eesh. Goodbye Momochi.
TSUNADE VS ZABUZA
This one is a personal favourite match-up of mine. Earlier this thread had me convinced that Zabuza as an opponent could give Tsunade a lot of trouble. Nope. Tsunade has great counters for it all. Let's go through them one by one. Okay, so first problem is the mist right? A problem for Tsunade yes, but not a total game-ender. Katsuyu can sense and Tsunade has amazing reflexes and hearing. The mist only works if Zabuza strike her, which will be difficult to do within the shield of Katsuyu, the executioners blade is useless against her and Zabuza gets sprayed with searing acid.
The size of Katsuyu trumps anything Zabuza can muster and with his sword and water jutsu (against a slug) he has nothing to combat this tricky summon. Tsunade is a very agile and flexible ninja, as in she can adapt to undesirable situations much like Kabuto could as displayed in their fight. The way he overcame the nervous system flip and the she overcame her haemophobia show adaptability and show she will grow accustomed to the mist and be able to fight in it. Hand to hand combat now, even with Katsuyu still seems like a trouble for her right? Wrong again. Tsunade has experience against kenjutsu ninja (Hanzo, Oro etc.) and may struggle to fight a giant sword with her bare fists. Luckily, Tsunade doesn't have to punch him.
Her punches have such colossal radius that it'll be Zabuza on the run. Tsunade could throw punches like that all over the place and Zabuza would be pulverised. Even if you take Katsuyu out of it she stands fair chances, because Tsunade knows that if Zabuza tries to get too close with his hands to do the water prison jutsu (which would admittedly kill Tsunade), Zabuza can't get that close because Tsunade can simply reach out and tap him to flip his nervous system in a second. More instant and game-ending than a water prison. If Zabuza gets struck with this whilst trying to go close range, which is his only real chance then the game is absolutely over and Tsunade will be on the defenceless Zabuza until he's dead. He's not Kabuto and very few ninja can work out the nervous system flip until it's too late like Kabuto could (remember, expert medic). Aaaaaaaaand don't even get me started on her regeneration abilities.
GAARA VS ZABUZA
And then finally, Gaara. Gaara depending on his location can end this match low difficulty but he gets normal terrain and medium difficulty to make things more interesting. With the newly acquired Shukaku this is also a stomp. To put it simply, Zabuza is not getting into that dome shield. If Gaara wants to fly or play the absolute defensive from within his shield than he can because no metal from any sword is piercing that shelter and Zabuza has no piercing moves without his sword.
For similar reasons as Mei, Gaara is an opponent who simply overwhelms with lots of jutsu and HUGE scale jutsu combined, sometimes both at once if the situation arises. And also previously discussed like Onoki, Gaara has aerial abilities but lacks from not being quite as fast as Onoki. This is fine though because whereas Onoki can outspeed Zabuza, Gaara can play a full offensive. Zabuza has to do many handsigns to do the majority of his jutsu which gives Gaara ample warning to not just defend (sand does that automatically) but also plan a counter attack. He has too many jutsu to talk about but until Zabuza gains some defensive techniques of his own he isn't surviving a sand shower or a sand tsunami.
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How's THAT for analysis. In summary, Zabuza is a very strong ninja who definitely has earned his rank among the Special Jonin 5- and that's a great spot to be in, but Zabuza simply does not have enough of an impressive moveset to contend with these monsters. They're Kages for a reason and there's also a reason you don't see swordsmen paired against Kage often- because the result is obvious.
It's unlucky for you that so many of them have counters to the Hidden Mist jutsu...that's what makes Zabuza a viable threat, it's a one-trick pony but the Hidden Mist is a huge environmental change jutsu and it's awesome. Of course if you have enemies with huge scale and scope, experience with Hidden Mist or just absolute defenses all together....then you're left with what Zabuza essentially is. A swordsman jonin with a few water jutsu.
MEI TERUMI VS ZABUZA
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Well to put it bluntly, Mei absolutely overwhelms with huge water and fire/lava jutsu. The size and heat of the fire jutsu will make the fog evaporate in seconds. She has mist techniques of her own as well as total knowledge of Zabuza's jutsu and fighting style. Zabuza is a one-trick pony with his hidden mist but Mei is a user of the same technique, so Mei is known to be capable of fighting within mist.
What will a water prison do when Mei can expand it and use it to drown Zabuza? She is an awesome kunoichi who earned the role of Kage a lot more than a lot of people. She took control and saved the most twisted village and has worked tirelessly to recreate diplomatic relations with other villages, as well as reform internal policies. She literally saved their village and you need a strong ninja to take command of the Mist, especially being an attractive woman- she earned her role more than anyone else.
Her mist jutsu is way more effective and can even act as a wind style jutsu. This mist has extremely corrosive properties, capable of melting even the bones of Sasuke Uchiha's Susanoo so goodbye Executioners Blade. Zabuza will be hugely limited with his own mist jutsu because the risk of his clouding hers, which is much more deadly and whole lot more instant. So with the Executioners Blade and Mist jutsu unusable what have we got left? A less impressive water user with a few taijutsu feats. Because they'll be a big help against Mei. Wish Zabuza was still alive so Mei could put him in his place.
ONOKI VS ZABUZA
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Little really has to be said here, Zabuza's long-range jutsu are his only chance but again it just comes to the pure overwhelming nature of fighting a kage. Zabuza was shown to have to put a LOT of time into one offensive Water Dragon. Onoki can lift huge boulders and golems instantly at once, it just comes down to the fact that Zabuza simply has a special jonin moveset and can't compete with that of a Kages. Flight, ridiculously fast speed and small size make Onoki a tough target. Particle style deals with him, his water prisons (as if he'd get caught in one in the first place) and his sword.
Any ninja with flight and that is fast automatically has the edge on Zabuza. The mist and sword become ineffective and Zabuza becomes limited to running and water style jutsu. Golems work as Onoki's defensive jutsu before Onoki is on him and disintegrates him. (Did you see how fast it was against Sasuke)
AY VS ZABUZA
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In my opinion, this is the kage Zabuza goes the furthest with, being blind isn't a good thing for Ay to be, and in reality he has no real counter for it. Lightning is a straight trump against water style and A's best strategy will be his lightning speed, which is even faster than Zabuza and even his silent killing feats.
Even if Zabuza can see him, he's going to have trouble cutting him down when combining his physical strength, durability and speed as factors. He'll have to violently and quickly dart around the arena like a pinball in the hope of colliding with him. Because with that speed it's only a matter of time because when he does...boom. Zabuza isn't escaping that. Then again, Ay (as shown in the fight with Naruto) can jump insanely high and could jump above the mist all-together, locating his target. Ultimately his lightning armour makes Zabuza's arsenal pretty lacklustre and incapable of doing anything too major. And when that mist clears then....eesh. Goodbye Momochi.
TSUNADE VS ZABUZA
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This one is a personal favourite match-up of mine. Earlier this thread had me convinced that Zabuza as an opponent could give Tsunade a lot of trouble. Nope. Tsunade has great counters for it all. Let's go through them one by one. Okay, so first problem is the mist right? A problem for Tsunade yes, but not a total game-ender. Katsuyu can sense and Tsunade has amazing reflexes and hearing. The mist only works if Zabuza strike her, which will be difficult to do within the shield of Katsuyu, the executioners blade is useless against her and Zabuza gets sprayed with searing acid.
The size of Katsuyu trumps anything Zabuza can muster and with his sword and water jutsu (against a slug) he has nothing to combat this tricky summon. Tsunade is a very agile and flexible ninja, as in she can adapt to undesirable situations much like Kabuto could as displayed in their fight. The way he overcame the nervous system flip and the she overcame her haemophobia show adaptability and show she will grow accustomed to the mist and be able to fight in it. Hand to hand combat now, even with Katsuyu still seems like a trouble for her right? Wrong again. Tsunade has experience against kenjutsu ninja (Hanzo, Oro etc.) and may struggle to fight a giant sword with her bare fists. Luckily, Tsunade doesn't have to punch him.
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Her punches have such colossal radius that it'll be Zabuza on the run. Tsunade could throw punches like that all over the place and Zabuza would be pulverised. Even if you take Katsuyu out of it she stands fair chances, because Tsunade knows that if Zabuza tries to get too close with his hands to do the water prison jutsu (which would admittedly kill Tsunade), Zabuza can't get that close because Tsunade can simply reach out and tap him to flip his nervous system in a second. More instant and game-ending than a water prison. If Zabuza gets struck with this whilst trying to go close range, which is his only real chance then the game is absolutely over and Tsunade will be on the defenceless Zabuza until he's dead. He's not Kabuto and very few ninja can work out the nervous system flip until it's too late like Kabuto could (remember, expert medic). Aaaaaaaaand don't even get me started on her regeneration abilities.
GAARA VS ZABUZA
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And then finally, Gaara. Gaara depending on his location can end this match low difficulty but he gets normal terrain and medium difficulty to make things more interesting. With the newly acquired Shukaku this is also a stomp. To put it simply, Zabuza is not getting into that dome shield. If Gaara wants to fly or play the absolute defensive from within his shield than he can because no metal from any sword is piercing that shelter and Zabuza has no piercing moves without his sword.
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For similar reasons as Mei, Gaara is an opponent who simply overwhelms with lots of jutsu and HUGE scale jutsu combined, sometimes both at once if the situation arises. And also previously discussed like Onoki, Gaara has aerial abilities but lacks from not being quite as fast as Onoki. This is fine though because whereas Onoki can outspeed Zabuza, Gaara can play a full offensive. Zabuza has to do many handsigns to do the majority of his jutsu which gives Gaara ample warning to not just defend (sand does that automatically) but also plan a counter attack. He has too many jutsu to talk about but until Zabuza gains some defensive techniques of his own he isn't surviving a sand shower or a sand tsunami.
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How's THAT for analysis. In summary, Zabuza is a very strong ninja who definitely has earned his rank among the Special Jonin 5- and that's a great spot to be in, but Zabuza simply does not have enough of an impressive moveset to contend with these monsters. They're Kages for a reason and there's also a reason you don't see swordsmen paired against Kage often- because the result is obvious.
It's unlucky for you that so many of them have counters to the Hidden Mist jutsu...that's what makes Zabuza a viable threat, it's a one-trick pony but the Hidden Mist is a huge environmental change jutsu and it's awesome. Of course if you have enemies with huge scale and scope, experience with Hidden Mist or just absolute defenses all together....then you're left with what Zabuza essentially is. A swordsman jonin with a few water jutsu.
Momochifanboy
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Well lets be serious!
If this was a real fight Zabuza would't send out invite card's to the kages about the fight, no he would stealth kill theam.
Zabuza is not Kage material but he could kill 3/5 of the kages.
He is an ninja (ninjas are stealthy) and he is from kirigakure (a mist country and mist is a symbol of steath) but he was an Anbu operator so he has experiece with assassinations. And of course he was in the elite assassination squad "seven swords men of the mist" And even for a Mist ninja you have to be really stealthy to get in ther.
Zabuza can not kill A because of his fast speed and his Scary reaction time and Oki can use the ground to sens Zabuza miles away.
And then he can fly up and bomb the shit out of him.
Gaara has his Mothersand who protects him as we saw in part 1 when the sand-jounin threw a kunai at him the sand protected him.
But Gaara is deafenssless in taijutsu so on wrong step or if the sand is not quick egnough he is dead.
If this was a real fight Zabuza would't send out invite card's to the kages about the fight, no he would stealth kill theam.
Zabuza is not Kage material but he could kill 3/5 of the kages.
He is an ninja (ninjas are stealthy) and he is from kirigakure (a mist country and mist is a symbol of steath) but he was an Anbu operator so he has experiece with assassinations. And of course he was in the elite assassination squad "seven swords men of the mist" And even for a Mist ninja you have to be really stealthy to get in ther.
Zabuza can not kill A because of his fast speed and his Scary reaction time and Oki can use the ground to sens Zabuza miles away.
And then he can fly up and bomb the shit out of him.
Gaara has his Mothersand who protects him as we saw in part 1 when the sand-jounin threw a kunai at him the sand protected him.
But Gaara is deafenssless in taijutsu so on wrong step or if the sand is not quick egnough he is dead.
Oh dear...
He can't defeat none of them ._. And tbh i don't think he can push any of them above mid-diff ._.
Every kage deserves the title. A kage doesn't get to be the leader of his/her village for nothing regardeless of how he/she gets chosen.
Zabuza's rank isn't "high jonin", that's fanfiction created to rank the characters. He was simply a Jonin (elite shinobi).
The scores argument is worse than a>b>c logic...
Imo he's exactly what Kishi classified and portrayed him as: Jonin (mid-jonin level to be more precise by narutobase's standards).
He's a big threat because of his stealth abilities and prowess in taijutsu/kenjutsu, but he lacks versatility and firepower (his biggest suiton took him 44 seals and he was near a water source). Any kage level shinobi is able to counter his mist and should be able to handle his physical approach easily with his only strategy being bypassed.
I respect your opinion and understand it as well because there're actually some good reasons to think he's around that level, but i came here to see something better.
There's a massive lack of scans and a lot of exaggerations, assumptions and stuff that doesn't prove anything. :<
He can't defeat none of them ._. And tbh i don't think he can push any of them above mid-diff ._.
Every kage deserves the title. A kage doesn't get to be the leader of his/her village for nothing regardeless of how he/she gets chosen.
Zabuza's rank isn't "high jonin", that's fanfiction created to rank the characters. He was simply a Jonin (elite shinobi).
The scores argument is worse than a>b>c logic...
Imo he's exactly what Kishi classified and portrayed him as: Jonin (mid-jonin level to be more precise by narutobase's standards).
He's a big threat because of his stealth abilities and prowess in taijutsu/kenjutsu, but he lacks versatility and firepower (his biggest suiton took him 44 seals and he was near a water source). Any kage level shinobi is able to counter his mist and should be able to handle his physical approach easily with his only strategy being bypassed.
I respect your opinion and understand it as well because there're actually some good reasons to think he's around that level, but i came here to see something better.
There's a massive lack of scans and a lot of exaggerations, assumptions and stuff that doesn't prove anything. :<
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