Zabuza & Haku vs. Team Asuma

[VisionOfDisorder]

Location: The Great Naruto Bridge.
Distance: 30m
Mindset: Same as Team Kakashi vs Zabuza vs. Haku

Essentially I am asking how you think Team Asuma would have handled a surprise A-rank mission in the land of waves, Shikamaru and Chouji dont have Sharingan or the Kyuubi chakra, but they (along with Ino) have Impecable teamwork unlike Team 7. Asuma has no raikiri but mastery of a weapon style unlike Kakashi
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[Icelerate]

Okay I repped you because the match up was very creative. Anyway I believe Ino-Shika-Cho win with high difficulty. So Ino will act like Sakura did because they need someone to protect Tazuna and the most useless member of the team is the most fit for this job.

I am pretty sure Choji and Shikamaru make a much better team than Wave Arc Naruto and Sasuke because Naruto was acting like some hero while in reality he put Sasuke in a bad situation. I believe Choji won't be cocky enough to do that and his strength should be good enough to shatter the mirrors. Shikamaru is kind of useless at fighting Haku because the crystal mirrors are floating in the air but Shikamaru is a much better strategist then Sasuke so he can tell Choji what to do. Also Choji will listen to Shikamaru unlike Naruto who was to arrogant to listen to Sasuke so imo Choji and Shikamaru got this fight.

Personally I believe Asuma can beat Zabuza. Asuma is very underrated and I believe he was close to part 1 Kakashi's level. Also Asuma can counter the hidden mist with his burning ash to melt it or use some wind techs to blow the mist away. Without the mist, Zabuza is a low jounin level threat and I believe my man Asuma is skilled enough to beat Zabuza in a taijutsu fight. Remember how Asuma was able to hold off Kisame's super human strength with his own. This guy has a 4 in strength in the data book which is stronger than Itachi Pursuit Arc Itachi, Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. I believe Asuma's chakra infused blade can disarm Zabuza and render him useless sort of how Kakashi did but Asuma has the tools to do it more efficiently. Keep in mind that Asuma doesn't have stamina problems unlike Kakashi but he does not have a sharingan but he should be skilled enough to combat Zabuza.

I could also give a counter argument in favour for Zabuza and Haku if you want.

BTW is Haku going with the intent to kill or is he going to play nice like he did in the fight against Naruto and Sasuke?

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Okay I repped you because the match up was very creative. Anyway I believe Ino-Shika-Cho win with high difficulty. So Ino will act like Sakura did because they need someone to protect Tazuna and the most useless member of the team is the most fit for this job.

I am pretty sure Choji and Shikamaru make a much better team than Wave Arc Naruto and Sasuke because Naruto was acting like some hero while in reality he put Sasuke in a bad situation. I believe Choji won't be cocky enough to do that and his strength should be good enough to shatter the mirrors. Shikamaru is kind of useless at fighting Haku because the crystal mirrors are floating in the air but Shikamaru is a much better strategist then Sasuke so he can tell Choji what to do. Also Choji will listen to Shikamaru unlike Naruto who was to arrogant to listen to Sasuke so imo Choji and Shikamaru got this fight.

Personally I believe Asuma can beat Zabuza. Asuma is very underrated and I believe he was close to part 1 Kakashi's level. Also Asuma can counter the hidden mist with his burning ash to melt it or use some wind techs to blow the mist away. Without the mist, Zabuza is a low jounin level threat and I believe my man Asuma is skilled enough to beat Zabuza in a taijutsu fight. Remember how Asuma was able to hold off Kisame's super human strength with his own. This guy has a 4 in strength in the data book which is stronger than Itachi Pursuit Arc Itachi, Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. I believe Asuma's chakra infused blade can disarm Zabuza and render him useless sort of how Kakashi did but Asuma has the tools to do it more efficiently. Keep in mind that Asuma doesn't have stamina problems unlike Kakashi but he does not have a sharingan but he should be skilled enough to combat Zabuza.

I could also give a counter argument in favour for Zabuza and Haku if you want.

BTW is Haku going with the intent to kill or is he going to play nice like he did in the fight against Naruto and Sasuke?

Thanks brooo +rep for you too.

and this is a great analysis Im glad you liked the setup. I'm saying that Haku has the same intentions as against Naruto and Sasuke, or else I have to say Haku would put them to sleep quite quickly.

I always thought that Zabuza vs. Asuma would be a timelessly hardcore brawl. If you got time I'd be inerested to hear your argument in favor of the Mist aswell, Also I am drunk and forgot to add a poll, Im fixing it right now!

 

[Drakengard]

Wait is it InoShikaCho at that time or current time?

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Wait is it InoShikaCho at that time or current time?

At the time of the Land Of Waves arc of course!

Unless current Shikamaru intends to drag Asuma's corpse all the way to the Naruto Bridge LOL

 

[genii96]

then zabuza and haku wins,asuma at that time can't beat zabuza,kakashi quickly brought out his sharingan to face him,haku toyed with sasuke and naruto and he didnt want to kill them,plus there is water nearby and haku can uase his mirror tech,they can both dodge shika'a shadow at that time.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

then zabuza and haku wins,asuma at that time can't beat zabuza,kakashi quickly brought out his sharingan to face him,haku toyed with sasuke and naruto and he didnt want to kill them,plus there is water nearby and haku can uase his mirror tech,they can both dodge shika'a shadow at that time.

Kakashi using his Sharingan right away against Zabuza is an excellent point, here is the way I see it:

Kakashi doesn't have a particular weapon mastery like Zabuza with the Executioner's Blade. To compensate for this Kakashi uses the Sharingan to enhance his taijutsu, using a standerd Kunai.

Asuma on the other hand, while having no Sharingan, DOES have a weapon mastery with his Chakra Blades. Interestingly enough, Asuma's weapon style extends blades of pure chakra as well, this I assume would cause chakra depletion over time like using the Sharingan as a non-Uchiha. So IMO Asuma and Kakashi have more even chances against Zabuza than people would initially think.

Basically in my mind, it comes down to your opinion on one variable. Who has a more advanced mastery over their weapon? Asuma or Zabuza? They are both elite Jounin from their respective village and are roughly the same age, both have limited Jutsu arsenal outside of their weapon style, mostly just basic elemental types (Assisination Hidden Mist tech, Water Dragon, Water Prison / Exploding Ash cloud, Wind Release Dust Cloud).

 

[Icelerate]

Okay I change my mind about Haku VS Choji and Shikamaru. Both Choji and Shikamaru are much slower than Naruto and Sasuke which will be a severe disadvantage while fighting Haku. They won't be able to dodge Haku which is why they will be put to sleep by those ice crystal senbons. Also, however, Choji may be able to survive more hits than most others because the guy is very fat and can expand himself to become somewhat of a tank. For this reason he will put up a good fight while protecting Shikamaru at the same time. So Haku wins high difficulty.

Next let's take another look at Zabuza VS Asuma. Does Asuma have all his feats in part 2 or just part 1? This is because with just part 1 feats, Asuma may not be able to beat Zabuza even though he is may be more than capable of doing some part 2 feats that weren't shown in part 1.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Okay I change my mind about Haku VS Choji and Shikamaru. Both Choji and Shikamaru are much slower than Naruto and Sasuke which will be a severe disadvantage while fighting Haku. They won't be able to dodge Haku which is why they will be put to sleep by those ice crystal senbons. Also, however, Choji may be able to survive more hits than most others because the guy is very fat and can expand himself to become somewhat of a tank. For this reason he will put up a good fight while protecting Shikamaru at the same time. So Haku wins high difficulty.

This is also true Sasuke even before awakening the 1Tomoe had a profound speed advantage over most of Konoha 11. Picture this if you will, what happens when Chouji expands himself to nearly or completely the volume of the mirror dome, blocking the straight paths between the mirrors. What does Haku do? his attacks arent strong enough to punch right through a human body like that, and the mirrors are spaced out enough for someone to escape, the problem being that Haku attacks you preventing you from reaching the outside because of how fast he is. This is just a random thought I had.

Next let's take another look at Zabuza VS Asuma. Does Asuma have all his feats in part 2 or just part 1? This is because with just part 1 feats, Asuma may not be able to beat Zabuza even though he is may be more than capable of doing some part 2 feats that weren't shown in part 1.

Well what do you think it should be? personally I believe that the one real feat Asuma got in p1 (cutting Kisame Hoshigaki) says a lot about his skill, especially in this situation where he is fighting another 7Swordsman, but read my previous post breaking down Zabuza vs Asuma!

 

[Drakengard]

Probably Zabuza & Haku then :L

If we're trying to mirror Team 7 here, then it would be Ino guarding the bridge builder and Choji + Shikamaru against Haku like somebody else said. Now the latter will be hard to call since it's hard to determine exactly what ninja like Shikamaru would do in this situation, but honestly I think they're pretty screwed. Their friendship will make them put their own bodies in harms way, and neither gains the same power boost that Naruto does when he gets angry. Shikamaru has a unique pose when thinking of plans, which means that he needs thinking space to pull off the good stunts. With Haku as his opponent, this really does not seem likely... even with Choji as an ally. Remember that Haku has trained in dealing damage via acupuncture - while he might not actually kill them, he will take them down if it means helping Zabuza. This goes double for these 2 since Haku seemed to have a bit of a bond with Naruto beforehand as well.

I think Zabuza would win his battle too. Zabuza tricked Kakashi in their first battle and calculated an extra clone, even though we all know how much Kakashi prefers clone feints (and for good reasons too). I think it's pretty likely that this will happen in the mist, where Zabuza definitely has the advantage. Asuma's counters for the mist itself are really only temporary, and personally I think he's a step below Kakashi (as portrayed against Itachi and Kisame) who had a good counter for the mist itself. It may only be one jutsu, but it's the one by which Zabuza gets his nickname from.

Ino might fight with Shikamaru and Choji instead, but that also leaves the bridge builder open and is just another reason to pressure Asuma (even though I don't think she would be very useful in either situation against these guys).

 

[Icelerate]

This is also true Sasuke even before awakening the 1Tomoe had a profound speed advantage over most of Konoha 11. Picture this if you will, what happens when Chouji expands himself to nearly or completely the volume of the mirror dome, blocking the straight paths between the mirrors. What does Haku do? his attacks arent strong enough to punch right through a human body like that, and the mirrors are spaced out enough for someone to escape, the problem being that Haku attacks you preventing you from reaching the outside because of how fast he is. This is just a random thought I had.

I think I agree with you but how many hits can Choji take? Is he immune to projectile based attacks or not? Choji can also save Shikamaru by throwing him outside the mirror shards and then Shikamaru can relieve Asuma by helping him or by helping Ino guard Tazuna.

Well what do you think it should be? personally I believe that the one real feat Asuma got in p1 (cutting Kisame Hoshigaki) says a lot about his skill, especially in this situation where he is fighting another 7Swordsman, but read my previous post breaking down Zabuza vs Asuma!

I think feats from both part 1 and part 2 should count for both characters especially Zabuza but it is debatable if Asuma should gain his part 2 feats as well. Asuma showed no jutsus in part 1 to counter the mist which is why I believe he should gain part 2 feats as well.

Probably Zabuza & Haku then :L

If we're trying to mirror Team 7 here, then it would be Ino guarding the bridge builder and Choji + Shikamaru against Haku like somebody else said. Now the latter will be hard to call since it's hard to determine exactly what ninja like Shikamaru would do in this situation, but honestly I think they're pretty screwed. Their friendship will make them put their own bodies in harms way, and neither gains the same power boost that Naruto does when he gets angry.

I disagree, if Haku calls Choji a fatty than Choji will become extremely angry and will be capable of soloing Zabuza and Hakuxd. You also don't realize that Shikamaru and Choji are more interconnected than Naruto and Sasuke which is why they make a better team. Choji is capable of defending Shikamaru without much difficulty unlike Sasuke who couldn't defend Naruto properly.

Shikamaru has a unique pose when thinking of plans, which means that he needs thinking space to pull off the good stunts. With Haku as his opponent, this really does not seem likely... even with Choji as an ally. Remember that Haku has trained in dealing damage via acupuncture - while he might not actually kill them, he will take them down if it means helping Zabuza. This goes double for these 2 since Haku seemed to have a bit of a bond with Naruto beforehand as well.

True but isn't Choji somewhat immune to projectile based attacks. Also Choji can shatter ice mirrors with his partial expansion jutsu. Good call about Haku having a bond with Naruto.

I think Zabuza would win his battle too. Zabuza tricked Kakashi in their first battle and calculated an extra clone, even though we all know how much Kakashi prefers clone feints (and for good reasons too). I think it's pretty likely that this will happen in the mist, where Zabuza definitely has the advantage. Asuma's counters for the mist itself are really only temporary, and personally I think he's a step below Kakashi (as portrayed against Itachi and Kisame) who had a good counter for the mist itself. It may only be one jutsu, but it's the one by which Zabuza gets his nickname from.

I don't really know because I believe part 2 Asuma would defeat part 1 Kakashi but again part 1 Asuma doesn't have any feats so whatever.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Is Chouji allowed to take his pills? Red pill chouji could arguably solo if he takes it quick enough/before Zabuza uses Hiding In The Mist, given he'd just think of Chouji as some fat, useless genin.

Asuma/Chouji alone easily take this, though, if we're going off part 2 Asuma feats and allowing Chouji to use pills. Adding in Shikamaru's incredible intelligence and...uh..Ino's uselessness to guard Tazuna makes it a stomp, IMO.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Great opinions guys, remember, this is team Asuma as they were at the beginning of part 1, the gennin do not have feats shown in later arcs such as sasuke retrieval after timeskipped training sessions like for the chuunin finals.

 

[Drakengard]

I disagree, if Haku calls Choji a fatty than Choji will become extremely angry and will be capable of soloing Zabuza and Hakuxd. You also don't realize that Shikamaru and Choji are more interconnected than Naruto and Sasuke which is why they make a better team. Choji is capable of defending Shikamaru without much difficulty unlike Sasuke who couldn't defend Naruto properly.
True but isn't Choji somewhat immune to projectile based attacks. Also Choji can shatter ice mirrors with his partial expansion jutsu. Good call about Haku having a bond with Naruto.
I don't really know because I believe part 2 Asuma would defeat part 1 Kakashi but again part 1 Asuma doesn't have any feats so whatever.

Haku's a kind little girl guy, or at least he's pretty respectful to everybody xD They have good teamwork, but really Naruto could spam loads of shadow clones while Sasuke would have been toast even quicker if it weren't for his Sharingan awaking. Remember that Sasuke was willing to die to save Naruto's life, and they did actually show a bit of teamwork in their fight (Sasuke telling Naruto to make clones as he observes the water splashing around). Also remember that even in his base speed, Haku was an extremely fast shinobi for some - meaning that it might not be enough to simply escape the mirrors. I think Haku could end this pretty quickly if he wanted to (see him one shotting Zabuza but not killing him), but it depends on his mercy

Growing big might save him but it's also possible that the opposite could happen: making him a bigger target for acupuncture. I was thinking of Choji using Human Boulder and that might shatter a mirror or two since that's known for its power. I wanted to say that Haku would create a slippery pathway via ice and have Choji flying over the bridge using that but I don't see that happening XD

Hm.. but isn't this Part 1 Asuma? I think you could give him Part 2 jutsu but over all P1 Asuma wasn't shown on P1 Kakashi's level per say. The mist seems like a huge advantage against somebody who is taijutsu based for the most part w/ partial ninjutsu mixed into the move set.

 

[Joki]

Team 7 already got stomped on both occasions, especially the first encounter which people seem to forget about ever happening. In fact, Team 7's teamwork surpassed any team 10 teamwork during that fight and that fight only when they saved Kakashi. However, that was Zabuza soloing Part 1 Kakashi and Team 7 casually, Haku not included.

People mean to tell me that Asuma who's vastly inferior to Kakashi at the time and Shikamar, Chouji and Ino, 3 utter weaklings of all people will be able to even raise a finger at Zabuza before dying let alone Haku too? Zabuza and Haku stomp extremely hard, Haku can solo the 3 while Zabuza crushes Asuma. Let's not forget this is all within the mist where team 10 is unable to see completely, and lol at the people who said Choji can solo. I thought I'd add that I laughed.

 

[Prime Rib]

team asuma

 

[ThisOneDude]

Im gonna put this simple, Zabuza and Haku stomp

To explain this easier I will have Part 2 Asuma fight Zabuza and this is how it'll go. Zabuza as always creates the mist, and don't say Asuma will stop it because Kakashi couldn't even stop it when Zabuza was literally standing not even 5 feet away from him in the 2nd battle. So anyways the mist is up, then Asuma uses his Dust Cloud technique and blows most of it away, enough for him to see, that's when Zabuza gets behind him, fakes him out with Water Clones, and gets him in his Water Prison, the same exact thing that happened to Kakashi, Kakashi had a hard time keeping up even with his Sharingan that Asuma doesn't have. Even it that fails Zabuza still has his Water Dragon jutsu and his Giant Vortex jutsu which will elementally overpower Asuma's Burning Ash, also even if Asuma cuts a part of his sword, the sword can rebuild it's self so it isn't useless.

Haku vs Shika and Choji, u gotta be kidding me. Shika needs a thinking place to come up with his plans, how in the hell can he do that when getting ambushed by senbons haha. Choji however could use his Human Boulder but with all the senbon he will surely get injured enough, stop the jutsu by force, and be defeated, he can't break through the ice mirros, it takes a lot more than that. Ino, dude comon shes useless in part 1 and she cant even use her jutsu in the mist.

Team 10 is screwed, Zabuza could probably solo once Asuma's out of the way

 

[EliteKakashi]

Great opinions guys, remember, this is team Asuma as they were at the beginning of part 1, the gennin do not have feats shown in later arcs such as sasuke retrieval after timeskipped training sessions like for the chuunin finals.

Then what feats do they have?

They really didn't do much of anything until the chuunin exams started...

It's practically Asuma vs Zabuza and Haku at that point, and he's gonna have to worry about his team who is capable of doing absolutely no techniques?

 

[ThisOneDude]

Then what feats do they have?

They really didn't do much of anything until the chuunin exams started...

It's practically Asuma vs Zabuza and Haku at that point, and he's gonna have to worry about his team who is capable of doing absolutely no techniques?

No its not practically Asuma vs Zabuza and Haku haha u think Asuma could handle both of them when part 1 Kakashi was struggling against Zabuza.....

 

[EliteKakashi]

No its not practically Asuma vs Zabuza and Haku haha u think Asuma could handle both of them when part 1 Kakashi was struggling against Zabuza.....

Yes, at that point it would be. Asuma would have to protect his team from Haku as well. No, Asuma wouldn't win vs them both, but that would be the scenario. Him beating them or not is irrelevant to that point.

We've been over the Kakashi/Zabuza thing ad nauseum, but Part 2 Asuma > part 1 Kakashi regardless, though Kakashi was the perfect counter to Zabuza, so overall strength may be irrelevant here.