Zabuza and Kakuzu vs Kitsuchi and Sasori

[Zexion~]

The warer prison tanks the senbon,

And nope honestly if i recall shinobi can easily jump over the linear senbon, as their range is not that great,

Again what is the difference between Sasori's traps, And simply rapidly throwing kunai then? You don't know either are coming, yet most are still able to parry and dodge the kunai .....

 

[EZQ]

Let me tell you something interesting. CHIYO is a better shinobi than ZABUZA. CHIYO > ZABUZA.

I'm talking about speed and reaction speed... about DODGING... While Zabuza can keep up with Kakashi and even speedblitz him, Chiyo doesn't have speed feats

 

[EZQ]

1- Zabuza can dodge the senbon

2- Zabuza can use his sword as a shield

3- Zabuza can use water jutsus as a shield

4- AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT!! If sasori can't see Zabuza, the "patterns" wouldn't be used correctly since Sasori wouldn't know exactly where to throw them to make the "pattern" work, so yeah it would be RANDOMLY shooting... So once again, the fodder senbon argument doesn't work here

 

[Shura]

I'm talking about speed and reaction speed... about DODGING... While Zabuza can keep up with Kakashi and even speedblitz him, Chiyo doesn't have speed feats

Chiyo is a medical ninja who is trained at evading attacks unlike Zabuza. Speed doesn't really help that much against Hiruko's mechanism unless you're someone like Naruto, Minato, Tobirama, etc. Not to mention that in the databook, Chiyo got the same score in speed that Zabuza has.

 

[Sunagura]

LOL, why is people argu thos around sebon? Earth sandwish and GG to other team.

 

[EZQ]

Chiyo is a medical ninja who is trained at evading attacks unlike Zabuza. Speed doesn't really help that much against Hiruko's mechanism unless you're someone like Naruto, Minato, Tobirama, etc. Not to mention that in the databook, Chiyo got the same score in speed that Zabuza has.

Oh so now the databook is the answer to everything... And also the fodder senbon are imposible to dodge, even for a pretty fast shinobi like Zabuza,, I'm out of here.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Let me tell you something interesting. CHIYO is a better shinobi than ZABUZA. CHIYO > ZABUZA.

True but Zabuza beats Chiyo 1 v 1, just saying

1- Zabuza can dodge the senbon

2- Zabuza can use his sword as a shield

3- Zabuza can use water jutsus as a shield

4- AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT!! If sasori can't see Zabuza, the "patterns" wouldn't be used correctly since Sasori wouldn't know exactly where to throw them to make the "pattern" work, so yeah it would be RANDOMLY shooting... So once again, the fodder senbon argument doesn't work here

BOOM! Lets see someone counter this!

LOL, why is people argu thos around sebon? Earth sandwish and GG to other team.

Because Earth Sandwich takes prep time and due to the mist, Kitsuchi doesn't know which side to use the tech so he would randomly be guessing, plus Kakuzu's raiton breaks through it and his domu protects him from being crushed

 

[Brother Numpsay]

BOOM! Lets see someone counter this!

Already did but was ignored.

1. Was establish. Dodging stalls until he will make a mistake at the end of the day and get scratch.
2.Sword carries limited of space to block, its not blocking his whole body. Swing that giant swords takes another amount of time to cover every sebons, and the next ones right after.
3. His water jutsu needs a considerable amount of seals to prepare then released. Thats a bigger risked then attempting 1 and 2, plus no water source around givin in the OP.
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[ShaneEyyy]

Already did but was ignored.

1. Was establish. Dodging stalls until he will make a mistake at the end of the day and get scratch.
2.Sword carries limited of space to block, its not blocking his whole body. Swing that giant swords takes another amount of time to cover every sebons, and the next ones right after.
3. His water jutsu needs a considerable amount of seals to prepare then released. Thats a bigger risked then attempting 1 and 2, plus no water source around givin in the OP.
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Zabuza can obviously perform Suiton without a source if even fodder nameless chuunin could.

4. The senbon that went in every direction, since they were scattered, only a few went in every direction so Zabuza would be capable of defending the few with his sword or protecting himself in a prison. Or Kakuzu could stand in front of him while using his domu. All of these r possibillties

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Zabuza can obviously perform Suiton without a source if even fodder nameless chuunin could.

4. The senbon that went in every direction, since they were scattered, only a few went in every direction so Zabuza would be capable of defending the few with his sword or protecting himself in a prison. Or Kakuzu could stand in front of him while using his domu. All of these r possibillties

1. Reasonably he should, but what Water Release is saving him.

4. That was a counter to Hidden Mist. No one will see the sebons going everywhere.

 

[Sunagura]

True but Zabuza beats Chiyo 1 v 1, just saying



BOOM! Lets see someone counter this!



Because Earth Sandwich takes prep time and due to the mist, Kitsuchi doesn't know which side to use the tech so he would randomly be guessing, plus Kakuzu's raiton breaks through it and his domu protects him from being crushed

No, LOL, Unless zabuza have a head start.

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[EZQ]

Already did but was ignored.

1. Was establish. Dodging stalls until he will make a mistake at the end of the day and get scratch.
2.Sword carries limited of space to block, its not blocking his whole body. Swing that giant swords takes another amount of time to cover every sebons, and the next ones right after.
3. His water jutsu needs a considerable amount of seals to prepare then released. Thats a bigger risked then attempting 1 and 2, plus no water source around givin in the OP.
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Pst... Okay prepare yourself, you're going to be left out of this thread...

1- "was establish".. We need FEATS HERE, it was stablished that HIRUZEN >HASHIRAMA... But.. is it that way? NO, okay so by FEATS, did the patterns work? NO, NOT EVEN ON SLOW OPPONENTS

2- Use your logic, while the senbon spread just a few of them would be aiming at Zabuza's body (wich sasori can't see) so Zabuza can use his sword as a shield

3- Zabuza made 10 water clones around Tazuna in no time, with apparently just one handseal and almost instantly, he can use the clones as shields...

4- Just as I said, the scan you provided just reafirms my theory... Sasori would be RANDOMLY shooting on the mist, since he wouldn't know where Zabuza is, he wouldn't be able to use those "patterns" an would end up using that atack to spred the senbon in all directions... While Zabuza (who is faster than Sakura and Chiyo) can use all the counters i already provided to block the atack...

BOOOM, ADMIT IT, THE FODDER SENBON ARGUMENT IS TRASH

 

[TheEvilOne]

Sasori solos. Adding Kitsuchi ( who is on Kakuzu's level ) is overkill

 

[EZQ]

1. Reasonably he should, but what Water Release is saving him.

4. That was a counter to Hidden Mist. No one will see the sebons going everywhere.

I already provided a scan.. Zabuza can easely react to projectiles on the mist..

 

[ShaneEyyy]

No, LOL, Unless zabuza have a head start.

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You still ignored my other argument on where he wouldn't know which side of the terrain to use the tech. DO u see all the people ahead and behind him? That's where Zabuza will more than likely be, preferably behind him.

Pst... Okay prepare yourself, you're going to be left out of this thread...

1- "was establish".. We need FEATS HERE, it was stablished that HIRUZEN >HASHIRAMA... But.. is it that way? NO, okay so by FEATS, did the patterns work? NO, NOT EVEN ON SLOW OPPONENTS

2- Use your logic, while the senbon spread just a few of them would be aiming at Zabuza's body (wich sasori can't see) so Zabuza can use his sword as a shield

3- Zabuza made 10 water clones around Tazuna in no time, with apparently just one handseal and almost instantly, he can use the clones as shields...

4- Just as I said, the scan you provided just reafirms my theory... Sasori would be RANDOMLY shooting on the mist, since he wouldn't know where Zabuza is, he wouldn't be able to use those "patterns" an would end up using that atack to spred the senbon in all directions... While Zabuza (who is faster than Sakura and Chiyo) can use all the counters i already provided to block the atack...

BOOOM, ADMIT IT, THE FODDER SENBON ARGUMENT IS TRASH

True

Sasori solos. Adding Kitsuchi ( who is on Kakuzu's level ) is overkill

Kitsuchi is not on Kakuzu's level lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Pst... Okay prepare yourself, you're going to be left out of this thread...

Ok

1- "was establish".. We need FEATS HERE, it was stablished that HIRUZEN >HASHIRAMA... But.. is it that way? NO, okay so by FEATS, did the patterns work? NO, NOT EVEN ON SLOW OPPONENTS

You have yet proved Chiyo being slow nor slower then Zabuza. You have yet comprehend that speed doesn't make Chiyo and Sakura dodging them. You have yet comprehend the feats of Sasori's puppetry and Chiyo's.

2- Use your logic, while the senbon spread just a few of them would be aiming at Zabuza's body (wich sasori can't see) so Zabuza can use his sword as a shield

1st of all, the 2. pointer was concerning facing Zabuza parrying with his swords, excluding the mist.
2nd of all, by your logic Zabuza can't cover his whole body with his sword, NOR can he see in this mist either lol.

3- Zabuza made 10 water clones around Tazuna in no time, with apparently just one handseal and almost instantly, he can use the clones as shields...

Once again only stalling his death, as those clones can be easily destroy by one sebon. Much like part 1 Sasuke can, without his Sharingan.

4- Just as I said, the scan you provided just reafirms my theory... Sasori would be RANDOMLY shooting on the mist, since he wouldn't know where Zabuza is, he wouldn't be able to use those "patterns" an would end up using that atack to spred the senbon in all directions... While Zabuza (who is faster than Sakura and Chiyo) can use all the counters i already provided to block the atack...

Once again this proves that no one knows where its going to aim. No one can see where it all scatters, so they can't counter blindly while it fires 360, since they can see how to dodge them.

BOOOM, ADMIT IT, THE FODDER SENBON ARGUMENT IS TRASH

Boom try again.

 

[Sunagura]

You still ignored my other argument on where he wouldn't know which side of the terrain to use the tech. DO u see all the people ahead and behind him? That's where Zabuza will more than likely be, preferably behind him.

LOL, So u saing that Zabuza get a head start of using Mist jutsu? lol, right of the battle start Kitsuchi know they where in front, andd in order for zabuza to use mist jutsu, he must rise his hand and took him a little time to get the mist thiker. And in that time Kitsu aredy would kill him. And crush most of Kakuzu heart.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

LOL, So u saing that Zabuza get a head start of using Mist jutsu? lol, right of the battle start Kitsuchi know they where in front, andd in order for zabuza to use mist jutsu, he must rise his hand and took him a little time to get the mist thiker. And in that time Kitsu aredy would kill him. And crush most of Kakuzu heart.

Zabuza has shown every time in the manga to have the first move lol. He's an ASSASSIN. Actually, if this battle is in character, Zabuza would be hiding and could potentially one shot Kitsuchi with Silent Killing before he even knows what's going on. Zabuza blitzed Kakashi who has the same if not better speed than Kitsuchi plus Sharingan which gives him better reflexes. Zabuza beats Kitsuchi. I don't know if Kakuzu could beat Sasori tho

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I already provided a scan.. Zabuza can easely react to projectiles on the mist..

P.S. No you didn't in fact you didnt bring in the whole picture into the situation.
At the end of the day part 1 Naruto was able to created his own "fodder" trap that end up scratching Zabuza

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End of discussion.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

P.S. No you didn't in fact you didnt bring in the whole picture into the situation.
At the end of the day part 1 Naruto was able to created his own "fodder" trap that end up scratching Zabuza

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End of discussion.

Great argument, you provided a scan of Zabuza getting scratched by a kunai when he was holding Kakashi of the Sharingan in one hand, a huge Fuma Shuriken in the other hand, all doing this while in mid air dodging another Fuma Shuriken, bravo.

That argument was literally retarded