Zabuza and Kakuzu vs Kitsuchi and Sasori

[Zexion~]

And yet people still just dont understand the mechanics of Hiruko:

This is coming from a puppet master herself explaining

Bull Shit, anyone with either an instantaneous defense, or above average reflexes avoids it/blocks it easily.

 

[EZQ]

And yet people still just dont understand the mechanics of Hiruko:

This is coming from a puppet master herself explaining

Hiruko is fodder compared to Sasori's real power... Zabuza stomps hiruko sasori

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Unless the cave collapses and/or the fight gets taken outside, Zabuza has no water source.

Zabuza can, however, activate his mist. Allowing Kakuzu to take off his masks for battle unharmed.

Kitsuchi anticipates Zabuza's attack, but not before Sasori fires off his senbon arm ( this is an AOE attack, and therefore it's a great counter to the mist ), and 1panels Zabuza and Kakuzu low diff ( let's not forget Kakuzu can't use Domu while deploying his masks since his body needs to move in order to do so )

If Kakuzu magically survives that, then he'll blast the entire cave with Katon/Fuuton and it's gg ( ._.)

 

[Zexion~]

Unless the cave collapses and/or the fight gets taken outside, Zabuza has no water source.

Zabuza can, however, activate his mist. Allowing Kakuzu to take off his masks for battle unharmed.

Kitsuchi anticipates Zabuza's attack, but not before Sasori fires off his senbon arm ( this is an AOE attack, and therefore it's a great counter to the mist ), and 1panels Zabuza and Kakuzu low diff ( let's not forget Kakuzu can't use Domu while deploying his masks since his body needs to move in order to do so )

If Kakuzu magically survives that, then he'll blast the entire cave with Katon/Fuuton and it's gg ( ._.)

His body doesn't really move all that much to remove his hearts, he un threads his back then the hearts do the rest :|

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And yet people still just dont understand the mechanics of Hiruko:



Hiruko is fodder compared to Sasori's real power... Zabuza stomps hiruko sasori

And yet people still just dont understand the mechanics of Hiruko:



Bull Shit, anyone with either an instantaneous defense, or above average reflexes avoids it/blocks it easily.

*Both denies manga*


*Others won't accept and character bash*

 

[Zexion~]

*Both denies manga*


*Others won't accept and character bash*

Are you really trying to say, that it is impossible to see senbon coming out of the opponents mouth and not avoid it? You do realize that Sakura and chiyo were both only a good 10 meters away from Hiruko as well, whereas most fights take place 15-30 meters away, Hiruko ain't shit...Not to mention tbh i really don't see how knowledge helps regardless, its not like Chiyo knew exactly the distance in between the distance, which thus allowed her to dodge and weave Sakura and herself through? ....It still was mostly just plain agility, but again, most shinobi block this easily, Zabuza can just spawn a clone that takes the senbon for him, Kakuzu's domu tanks it with ease...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Are you really trying to say, that it is impossible to see senbon coming out of the opponents mouth and not avoid it? You do realize that Sakura and chiyo were both only a good 10 meters away from Hiruko as well, whereas most fights take place 15-30 meters away, Hiruko ain't shit...Not to mention tbh i really don't see how knowledge helps regardless, its not like Chiyo knew exactly the distance in between the distance, which thus allowed her to dodge and weave Sakura and herself through? ....It still was mostly just plain agility, but again, most shinobi block this easily, Zabuza can just spawn a clone that takes the senbon for him, Kakuzu's domu tanks it with ease...

I have no idea how you take my post to me claiming that its impossible, read it again. I said knowing its patterns plays an important role.

Read re read the Manga to show how Sakura did it. Chiyo and Sasori already explained how she was able to do it. Why are you saying "otherwise" of how they were able to do it, when I already post 3 scans explaining how they NEED to do it?

Domu takes
Zabuza Clones gets one shot like Sasuke did with his Kunai skills, which only stalls his death.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza is being so underrated here. Look, Zabuza no doubt will have time to put up the mist. He will send in water clones, which he will find out wont work on hiruko. then he will proceed to use large scale suiton on hiruki which would smash it.

Kakuzu would take it from there while Zabuza deals with Kitsuchi

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Zabuza is being so underrated here. Look, Zabuza no doubt will have time to put up the mist. He will send in water clones, which he will find out wont work on hiruko. then he will proceed to use large scale suiton on hiruki which would smash it.

Kakuzu would take it from there while Zabuza deals with Kitsuchi

Have you forgotten the 360 sebon shot? Which he won't be able to see either, but relying on sound alone?

Large suiton in his location?

 

[Masked man]

I think Sasori and Kitsuchi take this.

Zabuza is not any factor in this fight, so it's fight between Kakuzu and Sasori with Kitsuchi.

Kakuzu is pretty strong, but I don't know if he can deal with Sasori's iron sand and poison.

 

[EZQ]

Have you forgotten the 360 sebon shot? Which he won't be able to see either, but relying on sound alone?

Large suiton in his location?

Ohh so the fodder senbon that zabuza can't dodge... Okay, Zabuza can EASELY DODGE PROJECTILES even with the mist...

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BAMM!!! Even on the mist Zabuza can dodge pretty easely, His reaction speed and foot speed are high, don't put him on the level of Chiyo pls...

Okay so the Hiruko argument just got fodderized, so what else?

 

[Shura]

Ohh so the fodder senbon that zabuza can't dodge... Okay, Zabuza can EASELY DODGE PROJECTILES even with the mist...

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BAMM!!! Even on the mist Zabuza can dodge pretty easely, His reaction speed and foot speed are high, don't put him on the level of Chiyo pls...

Okay so the Hiruko argument just got fodderized, so what else?

Don't compare that to Hiruko because that clearly not how Hiruko's mechanism works.

Yeah, bro.. Sorry, but this isn't happening. It's not that easy to evade Sasori's needles. To avoid a puppet's trap, one has to know the puppet maker's taste in placing traps. [

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] Chiyo was both an another puppet master and Sasori's grandmother. Furthermore, you need greater combat experience to avoid the traps. [

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] Chiyo's combat experience shits on Sasori's combat experience and that's why she was able to avoid his needles. [

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] Now before, you bring up Sakura. Not only were both she and Chiyo medical ninja which were trained to evade the opponent's attacks [

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I don't remember Zabuza having any of these requierments.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ohh so the fodder senbon that zabuza can't dodge... Okay, Zabuza can EASELY DODGE PROJECTILES even with the mist...

BAMM!!! Even on the mist Zabuza can dodge pretty easely, His reaction speed and foot speed are high, don't put him on the level of Chiyo pls...

Okay so the Hiruko argument just got fodderized, so what else?

Lol did you not read the sources I gave you that, Sasori's sebons aren't just thrown randomly/ spamy but through patterns?

Even in the mist where he can't see the patterns nor the sebons?

I cant believe you even compare Zabuza to Chiyo. Chiyo way above in experience and skill. Chiyo>Zabuza.

What else are you going to bring? Your not going no where without understanding the fundamental of Hirukos attacks first. But of course its uncounterable in Zabuza's situation

 

[Zexion~]

I have no idea how you take my post to me claiming that its impossible, read it again. I said knowing its patterns plays an important role.

Read re read the Manga to show how Sakura did it. Chiyo and Sasori already explained how she was able to do it. Why are you saying "otherwise" of how they were able to do it, when I already post 3 scans explaining how they NEED to do it?

Domu takes
Zabuza Clones gets one shot like Sasuke did with his Kunai skills, which only stalls his death.

:| *sigh* i swear its a common trait for you Sasori fans to worship singular quotes, fact remains that quote didn't make any sense, Knowing about it is not going to help her dodge and weaver her way through the senbon, FACTS

Zabuza clones may get one shotted, but he's only shown two traps with Hiruko, he may still die but i was just giving a counter for the senbon :|

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:| *sigh* i swear its a common trait for you Sasori fans to worship singular quotes, fact remains that quote didn't make any sense, Knowing about it is not going to help her dodge and weaver her way through the senbon, FACTS

Zabuza clones may get one shotted, but he's only shown two traps with Hiruko, he may still die but i was just giving a counter for the senbon :|

*Says its a fact, bold and capitalized, that enable her to understand, interpret, and read through the patterns of Sasori's traps*
*Already gave three sources saying that its important already*

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Zabuza is only stalling his death. As soon as his Arm rocket is release its over for him.

 

[Zexion~]

*Says its a fact, bold and capitalized, that enable her to understand, interpret, and read through the patterns of Sasori's traps*
*Already gave three sources saying that its important already*

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Zabuza is only stalling his death. As soon as his Arm rocket is release its over for him.

Why couldn't he just trap himself in water prison? ....

Lol, not that hard to realize senbon are being fired at you

 

[EZQ]

Lol did you not read the sources I gave you that, Sasori's sebons aren't just thrown randomly/ spamy but through patterns?

Even in the mist where he can't see the patterns nor the sebons?

I cant believe you even compare Zabuza to Chiyo. Chiyo way above in experience and skill. Chiyo>Zabuza.

What else are you going to bring? Your not going no where without understanding the fundamental of Hirukos attacks first. But of course its uncounterable in Zabuza's situation

Chiyo > Zabuza in experience, brains etc..

Zabuza> Chiyo in speed, strengt, reaction speed, agility... So if chiyo dodged the fodder senbon zabuza dodges them too

 

[EZQ]

*Says its a fact, bold and capitalized, that enable her to understand, interpret, and read through the patterns of Sasori's traps*
*Already gave three sources saying that its important already*

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Zabuza is only stalling his death. As soon as his Arm rocket is release its over for him.

You are obsessed with the "patterns" of Sasori's traps... Still you are blinded to the fact that those "patterns" didn't work on CHIYO AND SAKURA... both are in the last tier of speed... They are top 10 slowest characters, and they dodged the "patterns".. So yeah Hiruko's "patterns" are fodder.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Chiyo > Zabuza in experience, brains etc..

Zabuza> Chiyo in speed, strengt, reaction speed, agility... So if chiyo dodged the fodder senbon zabuza dodges them too

Lol evidence in speed being superior? Last time I check databook gave them the same. evidence and reaction and agility? Where are they? Consistently calling Sasori's puppetry skills/arsenals "fodder" shows more and more of you just being plan ignorant and comprehensive/ manga interpreting extremely lacking, even after giving you sources after sources.

You are obsessed with the "patterns" of Sasori's traps... Still you are blinded to the fact that those "patterns" didn't work on CHIYO AND SAKURA... both are in the last tier of speed... They are top 10 slowest characters, and they dodged the "patterns".. So yeah Hiruko's "patterns" are fodder.

How am I obsess in reading the manga pages right, showing them in front of you, with five times explaining, that it is require to understand to interpret Sasori's puppetry? Are you still blinded that CHIYO had all the requrements to understand and counter, and That CHIYO used her jutsu strings to enable her movements, for Sakura to do the same[

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But of course you failed in reading has failed once again.

Why couldn't he just trap himself in water prison? ....

Lol, not that hard to realize senbon are being fired at you

Listen to your counter and tell me how this even fit to successfully counter, and yet with basic knowledge on his side.

The fact that your repeating the same thing even after giving you 5 sources will only result for me to not go further as Ill just accept this concession.

I dont see how you can try your best to simplify Sasori puppetry, when his arsenals weren't built to just throw around. Even having kunai's senbons flying at you doesn't auto mean sht nor their simple to counter. If dont interpret right you can still get scratch even after parrying [

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[Shura]

You are obsessed with the "patterns" of Sasori's traps... Still you are blinded to the fact that those "patterns" didn't work on CHIYO AND SAKURA... both are in the last tier of speed... They are top 10 slowest characters, and they dodged the "patterns".. So yeah Hiruko's "patterns" are fodder.

Let me tell you something interesting. CHIYO is a better shinobi than ZABUZA. CHIYO > ZABUZA.