Zabuza and Hokage Kakashi vs 3T Madara

[KidGamer65]

Team 1 can win. Zabuza is seriously underrrated. It was already showed that his v2 mist blocks almost completely a 3t sharingan. If there is a near watersource, his vortex jutsu can make some damage.

Not to mention his clone feints were good enough to outsmart Kakashi (who is smarter than madara)

Team 1 high diff

If you read above, you'd realize that them winning isn't happening. If you read above, you'd realize I already obliterated these points.

 

[ATD]

Team 1 can win. Zabuza is seriously underrrated. It was already showed that his v2 mist blocks almost completely a 3t sharingan. If there is a near watersource, his vortex jutsu can make some damage.

Not to mention his clone feints were good enough to outsmart Kakashi (who is smarter than madara)

Team 1 high diff

I respect your opinion, but i doubt that the mist blocks the sight of sharingan completely. I could be wrong, hopefully.
Madara is somehow able to see through clones and is able to differ between any kind of clones, which makes the clone feints of Kakashi and Zabuza useless even though they are skilled and smart.

 

[Zlatán]

Madara wins easily

Zabuza is a badass character but he was introduced too early in the series, he had potential

Kakashi? Well..... he's basically featless without his sharingan :|

 

[EZQ]

If you read above, you'd realize that them winning isn't happening. If you read above, you'd realize I already obliterated these points.

Madara reacted to Sasuke without having eyes. I forgot about that. Madara rapes them

 

[EZQ]

Madara's Dojutsu lets him see through clones, as shown when he saw through Naruto's clone, and when he stated that his Dojutsu lets him see through clones.

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Not to mention this whole strategy fails because of the mist. Madara can't see them to go attack them, so he'll just use an attack that'll cover and clear the whole battlefield, like Gouka Mekkyaku or Gouka Messitsu, meaning all the clones are killed.



They needed a platoon to counter Madara's second smallest Katon shown in the manga. None of these guys have the power to do it on their own.



Then the mist is evaporated and when they come up, Madara obliterates.


Considering he can see through clones, the chances of him falling to a clone feint are zero.



Nah, they don't stand a chance really.

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That's the argument you should have used, the other ones were kind of lame.

Madara only saw trough clones with EMS and Rinnengan. He has no feats of doing it with 3 tomoe

Evaporate the mist? Go read a book, its backwards, the mist can be turned back into water with very low temperature. If you warm up the mist it surely wont evaporate.

The others thing are just simply a lil bit of underrating towards Zabuza's speed feats and clone feints. About the fire jutsus, Kakashi takes Zabuza under earth with him.

The valid argument that makes Madara win is that by mangafacts he can react perfectly to an oponent faster than zabuza and sharinganless kakashi (sasuke) without eyes. So the mist is a joke for him.

 

[KidGamer65]

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That's the argument you should have used, the other ones were kind of lame.

Whatever you say pal.

Madara only saw trough clones with EMS and Rinnengan. He has no feats of doing it with 3 tomoe

He says his Dojutsu let him see through Mokuton Clones in his many battles with Hashirama. He only had EMS against him for two fights, and Moku Bunshin weren't even used till the end in the latter. Not to mention he only has feats of seeing through them with Rinnegan, and he said that his Dojutsu lets him see through clones.

Saying that he needs EMS is nothing but a baseless assumption on your part.

Evaporate the mist? Go read a book, its backwards, the mist can be turned back into water with very low temperature. If you warm up the mist it surely wont evaporate.

Lol, this kid. I suggest we learn what mist is before we starting telling others to go read a book. Mist is nothing but a bunch of water droplets suspended in mid air. If water is heated up by fire, or anything really, it becomes water vapor. Water vapor and mist are not the same thing. If mist becomes water vapor, Hidden Mist Jutsu goes bye bye.

Water Vapor can condense to become mist or dew, and mist can be heated up to become water vapor.

The others thing are just simply a lil bit of underrating towards Zabuza's speed feats and clone feints. About the fire jutsus, Kakashi takes Zabuza under earth with him.

Zabuza's speed feats were all countered by someone who isn't on Madara's speed tier. Saying he'll do shit to Madara here is nothing but a joke.

Lol, and then when they come back up, Madara hits them. Or he gets close to them, catches them off guard via Shunshin (since they can't react) and then uses Katon and watches them burn. The fact he has to take Zabuza with him only means he has less time to evade the incoming attack, and that's assuming Madara doesn't release it at mid range.

The valid argument that makes Madara win is that by mangafacts he can react perfectly to an oponent faster than zabuza and sharinganless kakashi (sasuke) without eyes. So the mist is a joke for him.

Being able to react to people faster than Kakashi and Zabuza doesn't counter the mist, when the mist is used for the simple fact that Kakashi and Zabuza can't catch him off guard with pure physical ability. The reason he wins is because:

-His attacks would evaporate the mist.

-Part 1 Kakashi was capable of fighting in the mist. He's not superior to Madara in any physical way, so Madara replicates this.

 

[swirlyshark]

i think i overrated team 1, but it won't be low diff
They are clone feint users, after the mist is set up Zabuzas shields himself with water clones and Kakashi goes underground sending raiton clones outside, they may can't react to madaras shun shin, but he would just hit a clone, in worst case a raiton clone, which would even led to an opening for team 1.

Katons are countered with suitons like Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu or Suiton: Suiryuudan no Jutsu.
Katon Gouka Mekkyaku is dodged by hiding like a mole (Kakashi) and Zabuza can hide himself under water.

In close combat the team sucks, but like i said above, there is the possibility that madara falls for a raiton clone feint, which would even give the team an opening of killing him with the Kubikiri Bouchou.

It won't be a low diff for madara, the team has its chances.

Can't Madara see through hashi'is wood clones? If so then I'm pretty sure he can see through and water and shadow clone. And isn't hokage Kakashi lacking sharigan which cuts his potential almost in half

 

[ATD]

Can't Madara see through hashi'is wood clones? If so then I'm pretty sure he can see through and water and shadow clone. And isn't hokage Kakashi lacking sharigan which cuts his potential almost in half

i already admitted that the team losses
I wanted to give Kakashi an advantage due to the mist, but madara is on a completely other level.

 

[Haizaki]

Madara is too much for these 2.

 

[super yang]

madaras Ka'ton is just too much. he wins here.

silent killing is countered by burning ash pile.

if the fight was on the bridge instead, they might have a slim chance.