[VS] Zabuza and Haku vs sound 4

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Intent: kill
Location: forest with a lake
Distance: 50m
Condition: feats from part 1 and 2
S1: no intel for either side have to fill each other out
S2: full intel for both
S3: kisame joins them and oro joins sound four no zetsu body or et
 

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Intent: kill
Location: forest with a lake
Distance: 50m
Condition: feats from part 1 and 2
S1: no intel for either side have to fill each other out
S2: full intel for both
S3: kisame joins them and oro joins sound four no zetsu body or et

50m? Oh god. Tayuya's Sound Genjutsu solos from the get go in S1 & S2. Even without Tayuya's Genjutsu, Kidomaru is capable of sensory through his web traps, and seeing through the mist exactly like the Byakugan, and Jirobo is capable of sensing through Hiding like a Mole.

Proof Kidomaru can see chakra/through it:

1. CS1 eyes are white, and third eye isn't open.
2. CS2 ALL eyes are black.
3. Kidomaru is clearly confused, even while already looking at Neji, he couldn't figure why he missed by 15cm. Until he focused his vision intently on Neji to which he saw the chakra shroud, and Neji inside of the shroud (something the Sharingan cannot do, see individuals clouded in chakra). -
4. "No wonder..." clearly indicating no knowledge was prior known.
5. Which further makes sense because DB2 states Kidomaru's 3rd eye's precision is unmatched.

So Kidomaru could actually probably solo S1, maybe S2 through: Sensory/unbreakable web traps (only through chakra) surrounding him -> 3rd eye to see through the mist -> 120% accuracy drill arrows that do this kind of damage -> GG Zabuza & Haku

Only arguing for S1 & S2. S3 I don't care about.

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The reason Kidomaru perceived the chakra there was because Neji was attempting to use Rotation , but it failed due to the webs sticky properties. Rotation is visible to the naked eye.

Neji's wide area of chakra emitted to change the trajectory of Kidomaru's arrow had to be clearly the same invisible chakra as Air Palm, or OBB. Hence, why Kidomaru had been baffled by his arrow missing in the first place. Therefore, Kidomaru's 3rd eye can see invisible chakra (Air Palm etc.), and can see through shrouds of chakra similar to the Byakugan.
 
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Zabuza and Haku should win scenario one without to many problems, the duo should win with a few problems in scenario 2 and team sound should win scenario three thanks to Orochimaru
 

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Zabuza and Haku should win scenario one without to many problems, the duo should win with a few problems in scenario 2 and team sound should win scenario three thanks to Orochimaru

No. Nah. And not really. S4 beat their asses. The strongest of the 4 (Tayuya & Kidomaru) can solo them both.
 

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No. Nah. And not really. S4 beat their asses. The strongest of the 4 (Tayuya & Kidomaru) can solo them both.

No. Nah. And not really. Duo beat their asses. The strongest of the 2 (Zabuza) can solo them both.
 

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No. Nah. And not really. Duo beat their asses. The strongest of the 2 (Zabuza) can solo them both.

How :lol

Let's discuss Zabuza first. Zabuza vs Kidomaru. How does he win in your opinion?
 

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By beating him in CQC before or after he puts up the mist

And how does Zabuza manage to do that when Kidomaru surrounds himself with sensory webs incapable of being broken through means other than chakra? And let's not forget the sticky gold armor that was capable of being erected faster than Neji's Gentle Fist strike, which can be applied countless of times due to it being a unique body trait to him solely.

The webs stop Zabuza from entering CQC.




Now what does Zabuza do? Summon his large water vortex that did zero damage to him? Or perhaps he does his 44 handseal water dragon jutsu... Oh, but wait. In the time it takes to weave all 44 handseals, Kidomaru would've already shot him with this:

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Zabuza actually entering CQC is laughable.




Kidomaru would trap his ass so quick he wouldn't know what hit him, and what's even funnier is the fact once Zabuza is trapped he has no way of getting out :lol It takes chakra to cut through the webs, something Zabuza won't be capable of using while binded :lol

So tell me again how Zabuza beats Kidomaru?
 

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And how does Zabuza manage to do that when Kidomaru surrounds himself with sensory webs incapable of being broken through means other than chakra?

Can you show me Kido in a fight where he surrounds himself with those webs? Anyway Kido can surround himself if he wants, that won't stop Zabuza from finding Kido's location due to his hearing and reaching him.

And let's not forget the sticky gold armor that was capable of being erected faster than Neji's Gentle Fist strike, which can be applied countless of times due to it being a unique body trait to him solely.

What feats does his armor have that suggest it will stop Zabuza's swords from cutting him?

The webs stop Zabuza from entering CQC.



Zabuza dodges the webs with a Shunshin. Just because those Genin couldn't doesn't mean Zabuza can't.

Now what does Zabuza do? Summon his large water vortex that did zero damage to him? Or perhaps he does his 44 handseal water dragon jutsu... Oh, but wait. In the time it takes to weave all 44 handseals, Kidomaru would've already shot him with this:

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Zabuza doesn't need to use Suitons to beat Kido and arrows can be dodged.

Zabuza actually entering CQC is laughable.

Just like how Kiba, Neji, Naruto, Shika, and Genma (or was it Raido?) found it laughable and couldn't get into CQC range? Oh wait all of them did managed to get into CQC against Kido lol.



Zabuza dodges these with a simple Shunshin. Just because Neji failed to do such while in mid air doesn't mean a Zabuza on the ground can't dodge it.

Kidomaru would trap his ass so quick he wouldn't know what hit him, and what's even funnier is the fact once Zabuza is trapped he has no way of getting out :lol It takes chakra to cut through the webs, something Zabuza won't be capable of using while binded :lol

Zabuza dodges what Kido can dish out and cut him down. Kido's feats are catching people slower then Zabuza and a good amount of them were in the air where they can't dodge like Zabuza using a Shunshin so Kido's feats doesn't impressive me enough to make me think he'll catch Zabuza.

So tell me again how Zabuza beats Kidomaru?

CQC where Zabuza cuts him down. Kido said that all of the sound four were forced to use CS2 against two tired Tokubetsu Jonin otherwise they would've died and to add to it, it was later said that the Jonin would've won had they been fresh. Kido's feats are good for a Chunin lvl character but it's pretty clear that the four of them aren't portrayed to be on the same lvl as high up Jounins such as Kakashi and Zabuza
 

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Can you show me Kido in a fight where he surrounds himself with those webs? Anyway Kido can surround himself if he wants, that won't stop Zabuza from finding Kido's location due to his hearing and reaching him.



What feats does his armor have that suggest it will stop Zabuza's swords from cutting him?



Zabuza dodges the webs with a Shunshin. Just because those Genin couldn't doesn't mean Zabuza can't.



Zabuza doesn't need to use Suitons to beat Kido and arrows can be dodged.



Just like how Kiba, Neji, Naruto, Shika, and Genma (or was it Raido?) found it laughable and couldn't get into CQC range? Oh wait all of them did managed to get into CQC against Kido lol.



Zabuza dodges these with a simple Shunshin. Just because Neji failed to do such while in mid air doesn't mean a Zabuza on the ground can't dodge it.



Zabuza dodges what Kido can dish out and cut him down. Kido's feats are catching people slower then Zabuza and a good amount of them were in the air where they can't dodge like Zabuza using a Shunshin so Kido's feats doesn't impressive me enough to make me think he'll catch Zabuza.



CQC where Zabuza cuts him down. Kido said that all of the sound four were forced to use CS2 against two tired Tokubetsu Jonin otherwise they would've died and to add to it, it was later said that the Jonin would've won had they been fresh. Kido's feats are good for a Chunin lvl character but it's pretty clear that the four of them aren't portrayed to be on the same lvl as high up Jounins such as Kakashi and Zabuza

Oh lord.

1. What do you mean show you a scan of Kidomaru placing the webs around him? I've already given you a link to him placing them wherever he wishes.



2. What feats suggest Zabuza is even entering CQC? Zabuza's sword is an ordinary sword with the ability to repair through blood. No augmented cutting power, nothing special at all. Kidomaru's the sticky gold was capable of enduring 64 palms + the impact of plowing through a tree.


And he came out unscathed :lol


Which means if Zabuza breaks through the sticky gold armor, he can simply reapply it instantly as he applied it against Neji's Gentle Fist.



3. :lol Zabuza dodges the webs right, okay. Zabuza showed nothing impressive regarding speed in Pt.1, nor Pt.2. Dude had a 4 in the DB. Kidomaru had a 3. Zabuza isn't much faster than Kidomaru clearly, but I just want to make it clear that Zabuza isn't performing any miracle shunshins because guess what? In the second DB Neji was also a 4, the same as Zabuza who in the first DB was a 4. So let's not elect Zabuza feats of speed he simply hasn't shown. Zabuza = Neji in speed. Neji with the Byakugan was tagged by Kidomaru countless of times. R.I.P

Further proof that Zabuza remained at his pt.1 4. Couldn't even perceive Kakashi coming WHILE IN HIS FAMED HIDDEN MIST :lol:


So I don't want to hear Zabuza dodging Kidomaru's attacks.

4. Neji slower than Zabuza? :lol If anything its the other way around. This speed feat puts Neji above Zabuza clearly.

-Neji is 50+ meters away (easily 100m), Kidomaru shoots his V2 drill-arrow.
- - . As you can see that's easily 100+ meters traveled.

So, if that arrow traveled 100+ meters, and on his deathbed Neji traveled 100+ meters nigh instantly (finished Kidomaru off before he could hit the ground from 100+ meters out), that speed feat puts Neji's speed feats >>> Zabuza. So I don't want to hear about Zabuza ever being faster than Neji until you can provide a feat of Zabuza surpassing what Neji had done here.



5. And those two Jounin were taught FTG, a jutsu only Tobirama, and Minato knew. We don't know how strong they were. Irregardless, abilities & feats >>>> context. Itachi could say Iruka could beat him, but looking at feats, and abilities its clear Itachi shits on Iruka. So don't bring bullshit like that in this discussion.

Now that I've address all that nonsense, that clearly you stated because you have no clue who Kidomaru is, and how strong he is, i'll introduce you to a summoning that shits on Zabuza. And she's called Kyodaigumo.

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Take into mind that; Average sized spiders lay around 100 eggs. Large ones lay up to 2,000, but small ones only lay 1 or 2. Kyodaigumo literally means Giant Spider as the Databook clearly states. 500-1,000 spiders , and up to 2,000 maximum per egg sac; Kyodaigumo easily , Kidōmaru even supported such a claim, as he himself stated: " " in regards to the spiders, symbolizing Kyodaigumo had laid another egg sac in obscurity. Then , they'd spread, as the Databook once again implies they do not attack randomly, but strategically.

Zabuza obviously isn't dodging the countless spiders that have chakra webs unable to be cut through any other means other than chakra. Webs that are sticky enough to stop the movement of rotation. So can you finally admit Zabuza gets stomped here? :lol

Can we get to the part about Haku getting stomped now?
 
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1. What do you mean show you a scan of Kidomaru placing the webs around him? I've already given you a link to him placing them wherever he wishes.


"Can you show me Kido in a fight where he surrounds himself with those webs?"

2. What feats suggest Zabuza is even entering CQC?

His feats against Kakashi

Zabuza's sword is an ordinary sword with the ability to repair through blood. No augmented cutting power, nothing special at all.

Zabuza's sword was able to cut right through Haku and give Kakashi a pretty bad blow all in one swing. That's enough to take out Kido or at the least give him a fatal injury that will give Zabuza the edge in what's left of the very short match.

Kidomaru's the sticky gold was capable of enduring 64 palms + the impact of plowing through a tree.


And he came out unscathed :lol
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Different attacks do different kind of damage, just because Kido's armor could take blunt attacks, that doesn't mean it can take cutting attacks the same. Orochi can take blunt damage such as Tsunade's punch without to many problems and yet a simple kunai was able to cut off his hand. Does this means that a kunai is multiple times stronger then Tsunade? No. So what feats does his armor against cutting attacks to suggest that Zabuza can't cut right through it?


Which means if Zabuza breaks through the sticky gold armor, he can simply reapply it instantly as he applied it against Neji's Gentle Fist.


Oh just like he did when he stopped Neji from landing multiple blows that ended up killing him? Oh wait...

Once Zabuza cuts through the armor Kido isn't gonna have time to mentally react and get his armor up again due to the sword already cutting into Kido.

3. :lol Zabuza dodges the webs right, okay. Zabuza showed nothing impressive regarding speed in Pt.1, nor Pt.2. Dude had a 4 in the DB. Kidomaru had a 3. Zabuza isn't much faster than Kidomaru clearly, but I just want to make it clear that Zabuza isn't performing any miracle shunshins because guess what? In the second DB Neji was also a 4, the same as Zabuza who in the first DB was a 4. So let's not elect Zabuza feats of speed he simply hasn't shown. Zabuza = Neji in speed. Neji with the Byakugan was tagged by Kidomaru countless of times. R.I.P

Shunshin is a ninjutsu therefore it's not included in the speed stat upon which his Shunshin makes him faster then Neji thus giving him no problems at dodging.

Further proof that Zabuza remained at his pt.1 4. Couldn't even perceive Kakashi coming WHILE IN HIS FAMED HIDDEN MIST :lol:

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So I don't want to hear Zabuza dodging Kidomaru's attacks.

You're gonna keep hearing it as Zabuza will be dodging them.

4. Neji slower than Zabuza? :lol If anything its the other way around. This speed feat puts Neji above Zabuza clearly.

-Neji is 50+ meters away (easily 100m), Kidomaru shoots his V2 drill-arrow.
- - . As you can see that's easily 100+ meters traveled.

So, if that arrow traveled 100+ meters, and on his deathbed Neji traveled 100+ meters nigh instantly (finished Kidomaru off before he could hit the ground from 100+ meters out), that speed feat puts Neji's speed feats >>> Zabuza. So I don't want to hear about Zabuza ever being faster than Neji until you can provide a feat of Zabuza surpassing what Neji had done here.


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Lol you're a damn fool if you think any of the Genin have the speed to be on par with any of the Jounin. Look at how Neji got lolwhattheheckjusthapppened speed blitzed by those Jounin. Neji is fast with his own speed but the Jounin have Shunshin which puts them in a different league then Neji.

5. And those two Jounin were taught FTG, a jutsu only Tobirama, and Minato knew. We don't know how strong they were. Irregardless, abilities & feats >>>> context. Itachi could say Iruka could beat him, but looking at feats, and abilities its clear Itachi shits on Iruka. So don't bring bullshit like that in this discussion.

They aren't even full fledged Jounin, they are mere Tokubetsu Jounin. Now lets look at it.

1) Kido said the group would've died had they not gone right into CS2.
2) No other member of the sound four disagree with Kido or said he was wrong.
3) Genma who was there and fought them said that if they were fully rested(or something like that) then they would've won.
Bonus) The duo were tired and was just finishing up a missiom meaning they were nowhere near 100 percent.

Kido knows the sound four abilities better then you and his opinion holds more weight then your opinion.
The other members who didn't disagree with Kido knows their own powers better then you do and they're opinion holds more weight then your opinion.
Genma's knows his abilities better then you and his opinion holds more weight then yours.

Cry as much as you like but the opinion of these characters and how the battle would've gone takes a shit on your opinion. Kishi has clearly portrayed that the sound four aren't on the level of the upper Jounin and that's how it is, unless you know better then Kishi himself that is.


Zabuza obviously isn't dodging the countless spiders that have chakra webs unable to be cut through any other means other than chakra. Webs that are sticky enough to stop the movement of rotation. So can you finally admit Zabuza gets stomped here? :lol

Kido would get cut down before that was even a problem. But ignoring that, Zabuza isn't forced to attack the spiders, he can simple avoid them and run towards the lake and have them fight on his turf.

Can we get to the part about Haku getting stomped now?


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Haku would speed blitz with his mirrors lol.
 

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I'll reply maybe later tonight, definitely tomorrow. I see this is going to be a cycle of nonsense :lol

"Haku would speed blitz." :lol Not even sure if I should continue tbh.
 
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