Zabuza and Darui vs Temari and Sai

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

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Intel: None
Intent: To kill
Scenario: Zabuza vs Kakashi ​

 

[Kages]

Team 1 mid high diff

 

[BigBlade Master]

Team 1 mid-diff

 

[V h o]

Whateven is a Temari and Sai

 

[Icelerate]

Whateven is a Temari and Sai

Umm what?

OT: Temari and Sai mid difficulty.

Even though Temari is on the same level as Zabuza and Darui, she has counters to their arsenal of jutsus allowing her to take on both of them at the same time and push them to high difficulty on her own.

With Sai's help who can create ink birds for them to fly, ink clones and ink beasts on the ground as well as underground, I don't see how team 1 has a chance.

As a matter of fact, no one on team 1 can counter kiri kiri mae. All of Darui's lightning technqiues are neutralized by wind and team 1's suiton are blown away by Temari's superior futons. Zabua's Silent killing is rendered useless because his mist will be blown away which would save Sai as well.

While Darui and Zabuza are busy struggling against Temari, Sai could prepare this:

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If Deidara and Sasori could not avoid those two huge beasts, I don't think Zabuza and Darui can.

So Sai and Temari win mid difficulty.

 

[Joki]

Umm what?

OT: Temari and Sai mid difficulty.

Even though Temari is on the same level as Zabuza and Darui, she has counters to their arsenal of jutsus allowing her to take on both of them at the same time and push them to high difficulty on her own.

High diff on her own? You're pushing it, especially as a Temari fan. Zabuza wasn't casually outspeeding part 1 Kakashi a high leveled Jonin and kicking his ass in taijutsu for no reason.

With Sai's help who can create ink birds for them to fly, ink clones and ink beasts on the ground as well as underground, I don't see how team 1 has a chance.

For one Sai has limited chakra and can't make millions of all of those, second you just made a list, what use will half of those things even be in a fight against Zabuza. Choji and co were fodderizing his beasts easily, Darui won't have a problem with them.

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If they fly up, they're out of range and can't fight back either until they come down, plus I fail to see them out of Super Ninja Jump range while actually trying to attack and fight back.

As a matter of fact, no one on team 1 can counter kiri kiri mae. All of Darui's lightning technqiues are neutralized by wind and team 1's suiton are blown away by Temari's superior futons. Zabua's Silent killing is rendered useless because his mist will be blown away which would save Sai as well.

Superior fuutons? I wouldn't go that far, saying no one on team 1 can counter Kiri Kiri Mai then hyping it to be some overpowered high kage level technique to solo Zabuza and Darui is pretty ridiculous. On the contrary I don't see Temari, or team 2 rather countering this:

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Or rather, Water Prison in general, which was immediately followed up to their taijutsu match with Zabuza as the obvious victor. Kakashi couldn't even find a counter with supposed 1000+ jutsu, Temari doesn't even have a known possible counter for it, and it took a byakugan user to see the points to strike to even be able to break free.

Not to mention, you try to make it seem like Sai will instantly summon birds, fly way out of reach so your team can destroy Zabuza's team easily when both of your characters disagree with that logic:

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Also as for the mist, while Temari uses up her fuuton to try and destroy the mist assuming Zabuza's equal if not more powerful contesting suiton don't cancel it out Zabuza can easily make more especially if the amounts of water on the field is that high. It was thick enough that sharingan couldn't even see through and you were completely blind in the mist, even in the first place not any old fuuton would do.

While Darui and Zabuza are busy struggling against Temari, Sai could prepare this:

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If Deidara and Sasori could not avoid those two huge beasts, I don't think Zabuza and Darui can.

While that technique is cool, it didn't actually do much damage, it just knocked unscathed Deidara/Sasori into the cages which shouldn't matter much since Kankuro isn't here, and Zabuza is one of the most proficient bunshin feint users and has techniques like the above.

Although OP didn't actually post a location, as far as we know if Zabuza doesn't actually have any water then he's way weaker and a lot of what I posted is useless, but aside from "hurr on screen only" people he would still win high diff without water sources, especially with powerscaling in which case he stomps without them. Also another location relevant technique is none other than kiri kiri mai, regularly Temari's jutsu barely scratched Shikamaru, and her "forest buster" is hardly as effective in open space let alone water filled. It was the trees that actually crushed Tayuya to kill her so somehow I doubt it would even be as effective here.

So Sai and Temari win mid difficulty.

I think the other teams with the same amount of difficulty if not lower.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Zabuza solos with mist.

Adding Darui that has Lightning > Temari's Wind is overkill.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Zabuza solos with mist.

Adding Darui that has Lightning > Temari's Wind is overkill.

Temari's Fuuton > Zabuza's mist.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Seeing as how Zabuza can detect even eye movements in the fog, when she'll use fuuton she'll be cut in 2 already.

Zabuza pretty much blitzed Kakashi. Temari is a joke.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Seeing as how Zabuza can detect even eye movements in the fog, when she'll use fuuton she'll be cut in 2 already.

Zabuza pretty much blitzed Kakashi. Temari is a joke.

That "joke" sliced the 3rd Raikage's body easily. I doubt Zabuza would be a challange to her.

 

[robihurstferenc]

Zabuza and Darui take it for me. Zabuza puts them both in the mist, Takes out Sai easily (Zabuza is very fast and silent in the mist, I doubt Sai, with impaired reactions and near zero visibility, could react fast enough before he gets his head cleaved off.) And then Darui uses Laser Circus to distract Temari into using her fan, and then Zabuza finishes the job when Temari has her guard down. Just a plausible scenario.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Zabuza and Darui can always combine water and black lightning for shocking results.

 

[Masked man]

Zabuza and Darui win.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Temari probably solos.

 

[Icelerate]

High diff on her own? You're pushing it, especially as a Temari fan. Zabuza wasn't casually outspeeding part 1 Kakashi a high leveled Jonin and kicking his ass in taijutsu for no reason.

I don't remember Zabuza outspeeding Kakashi, they were on the same level of speed for the most part. In any case, early part 1 Kakashi and Zabuza both have a 4.0 in speed. Databook 3 Temari had 3.0 and current Temari should have 3.5 going with natural progression. Not a huge difference in speed like you are implying. I could argue that current Temari is a high jounin level ninja but there is no point in that endeavour.

For one Sai has limited chakra and can't make millions of all of those, second you just made a list, what use will half of those things even be in a fight against Zabuza. Choji and co were fodderizing his beasts easily, Darui won't have a problem with them.

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When did I say that Sai would make millions of those? He only has to make about a dozen to distract one of the opponents while Temari overwhelms the other. IIRC, Sai managed to hold his own against Naruto, Shikamaru and Chouji so I wouldn't count him out just yet. Darui may not have a problem with them but when he is fighting an expert wind user who can counter his attacks, he most certainly will.

If they fly up, they're out of range and can't fight back either until they come down, plus I fail to see them out of Super Ninja Jump range while actually trying to attack and fight back.

Actually Sai could rain down paper bombs or ink beasts at the opposition. Temari's wind has a nice range and is capable of hitting them even at long range.

Superior fuutons? I wouldn't go that far, saying no one on team 1 can counter Kiri Kiri Mai then hyping it to be some overpowered high kage level technique to solo Zabuza and Darui is pretty ridiculous. On the contrary I don't see Temari, or team 2 rather countering this:

For one, you don't need an overpowered high kage level technique to beat these two. Secondly you didn't counter kirikiri mae you just tried to use psychological reasoning to make be go back on what I said but my argument still stands, you failed to refute it. The data book claims that Temari summons kamatari which slices everything in its path.

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Page 211 Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai

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忍術　・　口寄せ・斬り斬り舞い
Ninjutsu // Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai (Summoning: Spinning slashing dance) (wikipedia said ‘quick beheading dance’, but that sounds silly)

使用者　テマリ
User Temari

Bold heading down right:
疾風怒濤　暴れ斬り裂く鎌鼬の舞！！
Roaring whirlwind!! The rampaging and slashing dance of the Kamaitachi!! (Kamitachi is a weasel that it is said can cut things without touching them)

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巨大扇子で風を操る、砂隠れのテマリの大技！！テマリが巻き起こす強風に、口寄せした鎌鼬を乗せることで、 触れるもの全てを斬り裂き尽くす！！
Temari of Sand Village controls the wind with a massive fan!! She whips up a tempest, and summons a Kamaitachi that rides the winds slashing through everything it touches!!

術の効果範囲は、術者を中心として半径数百ｍにも及ぶ。またその大旋風は、薙ぎ払われた巨木や岩をも巻き込 み、敵はなす術なく倒れ去るのみ！！
The effects of the jutsu stretch outwards for several hundred metres. The swirling winds also whip up the mowed down trees and boulders which rain down on the helpless enemy!!

多数の敵に四方を囲まれたり、遮蔽物に隠れた敵を攻撃する場合に極めて有効。術の発動後、自身の姿を曝して しまうことだけが、唯一の難点だ。
It is highly effective when surrounded on all sides or when the enemy is hiding behind a shield. The sole weakness of the jutsu is that it exposes the user’s position.

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斬り斬り舞い
Spinning slashing dance

舞い乱れし刃　阻み遮るものなし
An unstoppable wildly dancing blade

↑風と同化するほどの俊敏さで、鎌鼬が所狭しと斬りまくる！！
The Kamaitachi cuts through everything with an agility matching the wind!!

Not only that but the weasel can not be seen by the unaided eye so Darui and Zabuza won't be able to kill it before they get sliced in half. Furthermore, if Zabuza decides to put up the mist, he only blinds himself and Darui so there chances at countering this jutsu is slimmed even further, not that they had a slight chance against it in the first place.

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That jutsu can be countered by an equal or superior wind jutsu such as:

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Or rather, Water Prison in general, which was immediately followed up to their taijutsu match with Zabuza as the obvious victor. Kakashi couldn't even find a counter with supposed 1000+ jutsu, Temari doesn't even have a known possible counter for it, and it took a byakugan user to see the points to strike to even be able to break free.

For the water prison to work, the target will need to be surrounded with a lot of water. If Temari blows the water away and avoids stepping into a pond, she is safe and so is Sai in the air. Kakashi got trapped because he engaged Zabuza in a taijutsu skirmish and got pushed into the water. Temari isn't going to fight Zabuza using taijutsu, she'll use mid-long range ninjutsu. You once claimed that Neji could solo the sound five even though he has no counter for the earth dome so me saying Temari can beat Zabuza even if she did not have a counter for water dome is not nonsensical.

Not to mention, you try to make it seem like Sai will instantly summon birds, fly way out of reach so your team can destroy Zabuza's team easily when both of your characters disagree with that logic:

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I don't see how that scan has any relevance to the discussion we are having. What do you mean by both of my characters?

Also as for the mist, while Temari uses up her fuuton to try and destroy the mist assuming Zabuza's equal if not more powerful contesting suiton don't cancel it out Zabuza can easily make more especially if the amounts of water on the field is that high. It was thick enough that sharingan couldn't even see through and you were completely blind in the mist, even in the first place not any old fuuton would do.

Even Shaneyy, a huge Zabuza fan, agrees that Temari's fuuton will over power Zabuza's suiton. Temari casually blows away any mist that Zabuza decides to create. Assuming she can't blow away suiton, at least the sharp cutting winds can slice through and kill Zabuza while Temari slows down the water for her to effectively dodge it or block it with her fan. Not to mention you ignore the fact that Temari doesn't need hand seals to execute her jutsu unlike Zabuza and Darui so her jutsu execution speed is a lot faster giving her the edge over those two.

While that technique is cool, it didn't actually do much damage, it just knocked unscathed Deidara/Sasori into the cages which shouldn't matter much since Kankuro isn't here, and Zabuza is one of the most proficient bunshin feint users and has techniques like the above.

If that technique manages to knock Zabuza and Darui down, they will be killed while they are on the floor recovering. Not to mention Sai's technique didn't do much damage considering the fact he was fighting edos.

Although OP didn't actually post a location, as far as we know if Zabuza doesn't actually have any water then he's way weaker and a lot of what I posted is useless, but aside from "hurr on screen only" people he would still win high diff without water sources, especially with powerscaling in which case he stomps without them. Also another location relevant technique is none other than kiri kiri mai, regularly Temari's jutsu barely scratched Shikamaru, and her "forest buster" is hardly as effective in open space let alone water filled. It was the trees that actually crushed Tayuya to kill her so somehow I doubt it would even be as effective here.

1. Comparing CE Temari's weak wind attacks to current Temari's wind attacks is a bad idea. Even you agree that current Temari's wind attacks will slice Shikamaru apart easily.

For example during the chunin exams, Temari's C ranked kamaitachi barely scratched the tree Shikamaru was hiding behind.

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During the Sasuke Retreival Arc, Temari's B ranked Dai Kamaitachi managed to destroy six trees in a row, much stronger than her C ranked attack during the chunin exams. Tayuya survived thanks to being protected by plenty of trees as well as having CS2 durability.

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During the kage summit arc, Temari's C ranked kamaitachi no jutsu, the same one she used against Shikamaru, was strong enough to slice apart Samurai armour. This means the same jutsu she used as a genin which barely scratched a tree can now slice metal easily. Imagine how strong her stronger kamaitachi variants will be. Strong enough to kill for sure.

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Then during the War Arc, she showed us the use of

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which was strong enough to dent the 3rd Raikage. Although it wasn't strong enough to decapitate him, no one here is as durable as the 3rd Raikage. Not to mention that Temari managed to give orders to the others in her squad who were fighting the 3rd Raikage, a fast shinobi, so she can keep up with Darui and Zabuza easily. Also you must consider that herself and her division managed to keep him at bay and prevented him from overrunning the entire division so Zabuza and Darui coming close to Temari would be a very unlikely scenario.

You might think I was over exagerating when I said that Temari could put up a fight on her own but consider this, as long as she keeps a long distance between her and them, CQC is a moot point and Temari has superior long ranged attacks. Now just because Darui and Zabuza are faster doesn't mean they can close the distance easily since they'll have to be constantly dodging powerful gusts of wind with wide area of effect coupled with the fact that Temari could shunshin all the way back if she needs to.

As a matter of fact, she has a pretty good shunshin. When the Alliance arrived to fight the Juubi, Temari came with Chouji and Shikamaru.

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The scene suddenly changed and the Juubi attacked by creating a shock wave with its tail. Right after the attack, Temari appeared to be all the way at the back alongside all the other fan users.

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Considering she is the most powerful fan user in the army, I think she should get more credit for stopping the Juubi's attack compared to the fodders but whatever.

2. Actually, Temari's forest buster can kill you even in a plain field because Kamatari will slice apart anyone near it. As a matter of fact, it doesn't even need to touch the opponent in order to slice them apart (read the data book if you question this). Not to mention that attack is pretty damn fast and is capable of travelling hundreds of meters in a very small amount of time.

I think the other teams with the same amount of difficulty if not lower.

I could care less what you think at this point. The same guy who harps on how Itachi and Sasuke are fodder. The same guy who thinks Shikamaru is dumber than Naruto. The same guy who thinks Jiraiya is demi god tier. The same guy who thinks Kimimaro is on the same level as part 1 Sakura. I was using exaggeration in this paragraph but my point still stands. A lot of people have given up on debating with you for these reasons. Now you are stuck with debating trolls and me.

 

[Holy Cross]

Temari is the main factor here.

Team 2 mid diff

 

[Unorthodox]

team zabuza

 

[Icelerate]

To all the people saying Zabuza and Darui win, no one has given a decent counter to my post, which explains how Temari and Sai wins this. Even the Magnificent Joki has failed miserably.

 

[GiantShuriken]

Two jounins vs one so I'd think Team 1 wins. Even though Temari is really really strong, I don't think Sai is really included in this class.

 

[Icelerate]

Two jounins vs one so I'd think Team 1 wins. Even though Temari is really really strong, I don't think Sai is really included in this class.

Sai is also a jounin level ninja considering he is an Anbu agent and Danzo said that Sai was the strongest in his generation so he is on par with the upper echelons of Konoha 11.

How powerful do you think Sai is and why? Just curious.