And this is going to be closed. Flaming or insulting people is not allowed, however we do take into consideration the reason as why people would start flaming or insulting. Not that we still would approve of it, but we definitely could understand as why people in certain situations would loose their temper and one of them is when they are, intentionally or not, provoked to do it.
You wrote this thread with an incredibly annoying attitude. You act like you know something about the manga, something no one else realized and all people are because of that naive and ignorant. That alone is infuriating, but on top of that you had to write "proof" in the title. From that point on this thread was doomed. Till know every thread I saw that claimed to have "proof" in their title, was a hoax. It was simply a testament to the childish nature of the maker. And to make it even worse you start to make globalizations and talk about misconceptions that apparently everyone has while you yourself have more than one humongous misconception and a lot of your proof is not only weak to even come closely to being proof, but simply wrong.
1) Hashirama and Tobirama were brothers, hence the reason why people think they are from the Senju clan as if one is a Senju, logically the other one highly likely will be one too. So you already have a very screwed up way to view things. Whatever you even tried to say here I still don't understand as it doesn't make any sense.
2) The main initiative to found Konoha came from the Senju and Uchiha clan, however it has been clearly stated in the manga as I recall that they weren't the only ones involved. It has been clearly said that there were hundreds of shinobi clans and most of the ones from the Land of Fire eventually organized themselves under the Senju and Uchiha clans. Using your common sense that's also the most logical assumption as what you claim is simply illogical, weird, biased and based on nothing but your own misconceptions and naivety and when you then accuse everyone else of being all that with your "proof", you find it surprising that people flame you? Don't waste the mod's time when you do something like that -_-
It has never been clearly stated as far as I know when Konoha was founded exactly, but based on the manga I would say between 60-80 years ago considering Oonoki was able to stay alive all the time without any kind of life prolonging enhancements. How could possibly everything you claimed have happened in such a short time? The example of the Hyuuga was already mentioned, a clan that has a long legacy and history. Another example is that Choji was supposed to be the 16th head of the Akamichi clan, meaning that the Nara clan, Yamanaka clan and the Sarutobi clan (all clans tied to each other) should be around the same generation. How could there be 16 heads in such a short timespan? How could they all have created so many secret ninjutsu and could even be defined as an independent clan in that period? You're the one who is making assumptions here.
These are shinobi clans, meaning they can't be, by their very nature, really huge as in thousands of people. On top of that there probably wouldn't be much migration between villages so how could Konoha possibly have grown so big from just one clan into so many different clans in half a century? As you can be sure that there wouldn't have been much mixture between Uchiha and Senju and the Uchiha clan wasn't really a large clan anymore in the current era in terms of numbers. On top of that if only those two clans would have been part of Konoha, what happened to all those other clans then? So not only goes the manga against you, but also common sense.
Btw most of this was said by Itachi during his fight with Sasuke.
3) The Senju had one distinctive trait and that was that they didn't really had a real distinctive trait. Clans like the Nara, Hyuuga, Uchiha...all of them focused on specific skills. The Senju were completely the opposite as their members had a variety of skills. Hashirama had Mokuton, Tobirama was a water specialist, the girl on the left in the Senju picture was a genjutsu specialist. This is also highly likely the reason as why there currently aren't any references in the manga of a Senju clan as because of their variation they simply blended in with all the other shinobi in the village. Not all of them can be qualified as real clans.
4) You actually used a spiky ponytail as "proof"? That you even dared to do that makes it already painfully obvious you don't even know what you're doing. When Sakura makes a ponytail, her hair is also like that. Does that suddenly make her a Nara or something? Because there is some shallow resemblance between certain characters? If you need stuff like that to back you up, it's just sad. Most Uchiha have black eyes and black hair. So everyone who fits that profile should be according to your logic an Uchiha. Also Naruto is from the Uzumaki clan and it was clearly stated that they are related to the Senju clan, so logically on way or another Naruto can be considered a Senju and that's just common knowledge.
Maybe you should start looking at the bigger picture as you're the one who has an extremely narrow vision. Don't wast our time when crappy threads like this as you were pretty much asking for it. I don't approve of flaming, but there are limits to people their patience.
