[Discussion] Your favourirte dictator thread

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Ah Yes his personality was good
He only tried to conduct a genocide over tens Of millions Of ppl
He allowed torture and human experiments on the prisoners
He only thought he was the ubermensch and that germany was above everything else So he wasnt egoistic at all now thats a splendid personality
Yes his personality really isnt that bad

Ever been to dachau or somwhere simillar Its a horrible place and You cant help but feel depressed and shocked

It's called an example ~_~

There are many reasons why people followed him (Excl Fear)

 

[Hawker]

Everyone deserves to be seen in a neutral perspective.

How would you know the real side of Hitler? You never knew him at all (Personally)

It's opinion based.

Let's say a man murders your whole family, has *** with the bodies after that and eats them later. Are you later going to look for positive things about him and see him in a neutral perspective? If someone asks you: "well doesn't this man deserve to be seen in neutral perspective?", then my strong guess is you'd say "no". So there's a flaw in that argument of yours.

Hitler show'd his true nature. If someone does more good than bad things in his life, disregards human rights and is an enemy to the humanity itself, then I see no point trying to see him from a neutral point of view and giving him credit for something that he might've been good at. It doesn't lead anywhere and it's irrelevant. No one should have a favourite dictator.

It's like this: Hitler's goals were bad, his methods to accomplish them were bad, the results were bad and the aftermath of those results was bad <-- Then you look at all that, that shameful shitstain in humanity's history, that we call evidence of his unworthiness to this world, and find one little positive thing to say:

"Hey look at the way he acted as a leader. He was a good leader."

 

[Sublime]

You have all the wrong reasons to vote dude. ALL THE WRONG REASONS!

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On a comical basis,I'll go with this :

Lord Voldemort.

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[Sterling Malory Archer]

Let's say a man murders your whole family, has *** with the bodies after that and eats them later. Are you later going to look for positive things about him and see him in a neutral perspective? If someone asks you: "well doesn't this man deserve to be seen in neutral perspective?", then my strong guess is you'd say "no". So there's a flaw in that argument of yours.

Hitler show'd his true nature. If someone does more good than bad things in his life, disregards human rights and is an enemy to the humanity itself, then I see no point trying to see him from a neutral point of view and giving him credit for something that he might've been good at. It doesn't lead anywhere and it's irrelevant. No one should have a favourite dictator.

It's like this: Hitler's goals were bad, his methods to accomplish them were bad, the results were bad and the aftermath of those results was bad <-- Then you look at all that, that shameful shitstain in humanity's history, that we call evidence of his unworthiness to this world, and find one little positive thing to say:

"Hey look at the way he acted as a leader. He was a good leader."

I will still see from a neutral perspective. The man probably had some kind of psychological disorder, was defiantly abused as a child (102% chance). It could also have been a spark of insanity...Woman have been known to randomly kill there babies as a result of that. so there's a neutral perspective

Back to Hitmanscoop...Yes hitler was a bad man with bad ways. But he was a good leader. Can you deny what I state by: No man is perfect? Yes Hitler was atleast 90% bad, but that doesn't round off to 100%. Hitler touched many peoples lives (Positively), brought a nation that was bound by the Treaty to rise to the near top. Remember Hitler was just a soldier (lol almost typed shoulderxd), which proves that anyone can become anything.

Did you know it was only 1 vote that made Hitler the leader of the Nazi party?

 

[Necron]

Metaxas had the balls to oppose both Hitler and Mousolini. U_U

Also, you people need to stop bashing... Everyone has the right to deside what political system he belives in. I personally belive that there is way too much freedom today, and Laws need to be much more severe reguarding both internal and external politics...

 

[Hawker]

I will still see from a neutral perspective. The man probably had some kind of psychological disorder, was defiantly abused as a child (102% chance). It could also have been a spark of insanity...Woman have been known to randomly kill there babies as a result of that. so there's a neutral perspective

Back to Hitmanscoop...Yes hitler was a bad man with bad ways. But he was a good leader. Can you deny what I state by: No man is perfect? Yes Hitler was atleast 90% bad, but that doesn't round off to 100%. Hitler touched many peoples lives (Positively), brought a nation that was bound by the Treaty to rise to the near top. Remember Hitler was just a soldier (lol almost typed shoulderxd), which proves that anyone can become anything.

Did you know it was only 1 vote that made Hitler the leader of the Nazi party?

@family murder: well I strongly believe you wouldn't..it's your family we're talking about..

Are you perhaps majoring in psychology or in some else way studying it? 'Cause then I can find a reason for you analysing Hitler from neutral point of view..

But anyway I can't really argue with you on this 'cause we just think about it differently.I don't want to think about anything positive about Hitler. It's like when I do that I think he'd smirks in his grave "oh yes, someone appreciated something in me, I didn't become famous killing all those jews for nothing".
And you put aside all that which I don't want to, and then evaluate him. I don't think he deserves it but you feel like you feel and I can't change that or the other way around.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Are you perhaps majoring in psychology or in some else way studying it? 'Cause then I can find a reason for you analysing Hitler from neutral point of view..

But anyway I can't really argue with you on this 'cause we just think about it differently.I don't want to think about anything positive about Hitler. It's like when I do that I think he'd smirks in his grave "oh yes, someone appreciated something in me, I didn't become famous killing all those jews for nothing".
And you put aside all that which I don't want to, and then evaluate him. I don't think he deserves it but you feel like you feel and I can't change that or the other way around.

@Family Murder: well with the family I have I wouldn't give a F ~_~ lol. But if I was in a proper family no I wouldn't because I'd be directly influenced. Hitler long gone from my life so mine isn't as effected as those damaged by his reign R.I.P. to all those.

lolxd Yes I am majoring in Psychology well spotted

I agree buddy. I understand where you coming from in that you feeling that when thinking positive of Hitler (Wrote that sentence bad lol, Hope you understand my point thoxd).

Was nice debating with you +Rep (Since you never flamed or anything of that sort )

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

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[DarkZer0]

yes they didnt just murder a lot of ppl they just killed those who didnt want them to rule the country

Authoritarianism sucks and you cant argue the other way

btw Hitler was a cappable leader but not a great one, he might have been brilliant in some respects but also a complete idiot for believing HE was the Nietzsches Ubermensch

I can argue any way i want.A lot of people see authoritarianism as a solution to capitalistic democracy.Either you like it or not.You say they murdered a lot of people but in reality you don't even know who they are and what they didexcept maybe Hitler,Mussolini and Stalin(which i doubt it).

 

[Olorin]

I can argue any way i want.A lot of people see authoritarianism as a solution to capitalistic democracy.Either you like it or not.You say they murdered a lot of people but in reality you don't even know who they are and what they didexcept maybe Hitler,Mussolini and Stalin(which i doubt it).

the basis for every authoritarianism regime is the same - political opression, social repression, censorship, ...

and yes capitalism sucks i agree but democracy (the real democracy which we dont have and wont have as long as we have capitalism) is far far better than any dictatorship

It's called an example ~_~

There are many reasons why people followed him (Excl Fear)

exactly most of them only followed him because they were affraid

 

[DarkZer0]

the basis for every authoritarianism regime is the same - political opression, social repression, censorship, ...

and yes capitalism sucks i agree but democracy (the real democracy which we dont have and wont have as long as we have capitalism) is far far better than any dictatorship



exactly most of them only followed him because they were affraid

Personally I'm not so naive as to believe that in a country that has,for example, 14.000.000 people they can all have the same ideology, the same goals, the same ideas, the same worldviews.A country can have democrats, communists,nationalists,anarchists,liberals etc.Each one of these ideologies have subcategories.In communism there are Stalinists,Maoists,Trotskyists.In nationalism there are fascists, national socialists, metaxists,national anarchists and many other different and controversial ideologies.People also have religious differences.There are Muslims, Orthodox Christians,Catholics,Jews and Buddhists.Do you believe that all this people can eternally coexist peacefully?Without violence?You say that you are against capitalism and you speak about the real democracy.Can you give me a little example of real democracy?And please, don't start about direct democracy and ancient Greece because that's a historical error.It may had the same name but it actually had nothing to do with democracy.You know why?Because women couldn't vote or express their opinion.They could be raped, beaten up by their husbands and the state wouldn't protect them.In order to have civil and political rights you should have a certain amount of possessions.So that means that poor people didn't have political rights!!!Senior citizens (i think starting from 50 years old) couldn't vote.They had slaves working for them.In fact the city of Athens had 21.000 citizens and 500.000 slaves!!!.But most important.There were no elections.The political offices were filled using sortition(which is the selection of decision makers by lottery)...:sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy:

In my opinion democracy in any form of it is a dead end.By studding the writings of ancient Greek philosophers like Plato,Aristotle and Socrates all of whom were against democracy you can see the birth of a new political system.Personally, with modern standards i believe in a political system exactly like that of the 4rth of August Regime which ruled my country from 1936 to 1941.It was the rebirth of the devastated Greece.Promoting the creation of the Third Hellenic Civilization based upon ancient Sparta and Byzantium empire.The new Greece was to be build upon the traditional Greek values of Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion.Metaxas' government gained popularity through an elaborate program to socialize the Greek economy, including:

introduction of a minimum wage.
unemployment insurance and the creation of a public employment agency.
maternity leave.
a 5-day, 40-hour workweek.
guaranteed 2-week vacations with pay (or two weeks' double pay in place of the vacation).
stricter work safety standards.

Capitalist had died.Corporatism was born.


Many elements of this program persist in Greek economic policy. Metaxas' regime also founded the Social Security Institute (IKA) as well as the Workers' Center, which was established to look after workers' housing and recreation, among other things.

The 4th of August regime also initially stabilized the drachma, which had been suffering from high inflation. Exploiting the newfound solidity of the currency, Metaxas' government embarked on large public works programs, including land drainage, construction of railways, road improvements, and modernization of the telecommunications infrastructure.

Metaxas' economic program met with initial success, with a marked rise in per capita income and temporary decline in unemployment in Greece between 1936 and 1938.Metaxas wasn't being supported by a political party like Hitler or Mussolini.He was supported by the army and his youth EON.Membership wasn't mandatory but the youth had a million members in 1939.As you can see the youth adored him and supported his ideology.Metaxas opposed the alliance with the Axis and fought against both Italy and Germany.He prepared the army for war in the blink of an eye.The fight at the Metaxas Line was of epic scale.German General Wilhelm List, who led the attack against the Metaxas Line, admired the bravery and courage of these soldiers. He took no prisoners and declared that the army was free to leave with their war flags, on condition that they surrender their arms and supplies. He also ordered his soldiers and officers to salute the Greek soldiers.Hitler himself said "For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death."

Metaxas used violence.Censorship of the media. Certainly.But violence against only those who wanted to destroy the state. He didn't started a genocide of minorities like Hitler did.In fact there were given political rights to Jews.The only ones who were prosecuted were the communists because they wanted to destroy the state by promoting an anti-Greek ideology and enslave as to Russia.That's why no one didn't actually care what happened to them.Also the communists had already done 2 failed coup d'etats.If they have succeeded all the people who would disobey them would be dead.So it was either we or they.A matter of survival.They played against the rules.They could have won.Rule the country.But they lost.We won.They knew what the consequences would be.
I'm not against the use of violence.I'm against the use of violence were it isn't needed.I'm certainly against hippies and all this bull crap.Some time in our lives we will use violence.

P.S.Wars nd war crimes happen everywhere in the name of democracy.In democratic societies criminals don't take what they deserve.All this rapist, killers, child molesters should be executed on the spot.But hey, everyone has human rights!!!You criticize authoritarian regimes by associating them with violence and death.Some regimes used unnecessary violence.Of course they did.Take Nazi Germany for example.But sometimes, when it comes to defend your country, your familie, your religion and your ideals you will have to use any form of violence.I will certainly do that.If you want to answer first read everything i have written.And don't start with ''violence'', ''killings'' ''you are evil'' like bullshit.Better go watch care bears.

 

[LionDemon]

Stalin. Hands down, hands down.

 

[Hawker]

Personally I'm not so naive as to believe that in a country that has,for example, 14.000.000 people they can all have the same ideology, the same goals, the same ideas, the same worldviews.A country can have democrats, communists,nationalists,anarchists,liberals etc.Each one of these ideologies have subcategories.In communism there are Stalinists,Maoists,Trotskyists.In nationalism there are fascists, national socialists, metaxists,national anarchists and many other different and controversial ideologies.People also have religious differences.There are Muslims, Orthodox Christians,Catholics,Jews and Buddhists.Do you believe that all this people can eternally coexist peacefully?Without violence?You say that you are against capitalism and you speak about the real democracy.Can you give me a little example of real democracy?And please, don't start about direct democracy and ancient Greece because that's a historical error.It may had the same name but it actually had nothing to do with democracy.You know why?Because women couldn't vote or express their opinion.They could be raped, beaten up by their husbands and the state wouldn't protect them.In order to have civil and political rights you should have a certain amount of possessions.So that means that poor people didn't have political rights!!!Senior citizens (i think starting from 50 years old) couldn't vote.They had slaves working for them.In fact the city of Athens had 21.000 citizens and 500.000 slaves!!!.But most important.There were no elections.The political offices were filled using sortition(which is the selection of decision makers by lottery)...:sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy: :sy:

In my opinion democracy in any form of it is a dead end.By studding the writings of ancient Greek philosophers like Plato,Aristotle and Socrates all of whom were against democracy you can see the birth of a new political system.Personally, with modern standards i believe in a political system exactly like that of the 4rth of August Regime which ruled my country from 1936 to 1941.It was the rebirth of the devastated Greece.Promoting the creation of the Third Hellenic Civilization based upon ancient Sparta and Byzantium empire.The new Greece was to be build upon the traditional Greek values of Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion.Metaxas' government gained popularity through an elaborate program to socialize the Greek economy, including:

introduction of a minimum wage.
unemployment insurance and the creation of a public employment agency.
maternity leave.
a 5-day, 40-hour workweek.
guaranteed 2-week vacations with pay (or two weeks' double pay in place of the vacation).
stricter work safety standards.

Capitalist had died.Corporatism was born.


Many elements of this program persist in Greek economic policy. Metaxas' regime also founded the Social Security Institute (IKA) as well as the Workers' Center, which was established to look after workers' housing and recreation, among other things.

The 4th of August regime also initially stabilized the drachma, which had been suffering from high inflation. Exploiting the newfound solidity of the currency, Metaxas' government embarked on large public works programs, including land drainage, construction of railways, road improvements, and modernization of the telecommunications infrastructure.

Metaxas' economic program met with initial success, with a marked rise in per capita income and temporary decline in unemployment in Greece between 1936 and 1938.Metaxas wasn't being supported by a political party like Hitler or Mussolini.He was supported by the army and his youth EON.Membership wasn't mandatory but the youth had a million members in 1939.As you can see the youth adored him and supported his ideology.Metaxas opposed the alliance with the Axis and fought against both Italy and Germany.He prepared the army for war in the blink of an eye.The fight at the Metaxas Line was of epic scale.German General Wilhelm List, who led the attack against the Metaxas Line, admired the bravery and courage of these soldiers. He took no prisoners and declared that the army was free to leave with their war flags, on condition that they surrender their arms and supplies. He also ordered his soldiers and officers to salute the Greek soldiers.Hitler himself said "For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death."

Metaxas used violence.Censorship of the media. Certainly.But violence against only those who wanted to destroy the state. He didn't started a genocide of minorities like Hitler did.In fact there were given political rights to Jews.The only ones who were prosecuted were the communists because they wanted to destroy the state by promoting an anti-Greek ideology and enslave as to Russia.That's why no one didn't actually care what happened to them.Also the communists had already done 2 failed coup d'etats.If they have succeeded all the people who would disobey them would be dead.So it was either we or they.A matter of survival.They played against the rules.They could have won.Rule the country.But they lost.We won.They knew what the consequences would be.
I'm not against the use of violence.I'm against the use of violence were it isn't needed.I'm certainly against hippies and all this bull crap.Some time in our lives we will use violence.

P.S.Wars nd war crimes happen everywhere in the name of democracy.In democratic societies criminals don't take what they deserve.All this rapist, killers, child molesters should be executed on the spot.But hey, everyone has human rights!!!You criticize authoritarian regimes by associating them with violence and death.Some regimes used unnecessary violence.Of course they did.Take Nazi Germany for example.But sometimes, when it comes to defend your country, your familie, your religion and your ideals you will have to use any form of violence.I will certainly do that.If you want to answer first read everything i have written.And don't start with ''violence'', ''killings'' ''you are evil'' like bullshit.Better go watch care bears.

Do you believe that all this people can eternally coexist peacefully?Without violence?

So by saying that they can't you try justify an act of tyranny and dictatorship? That's called idiotism. You're just one of those weak people who want to control all those different people and those who oppose your believes, now and here, with fear and absolute force. That isn't control, that's being weak 'cause you can't maintain a "society balance" in any other way, or atleast so you think.
That's why fascims and dictatorship are being called extremism or extremity. Minimum precentage of the people actually believe in them or would want to use them.
Do you believe that you being a minority with your beliefs make you somewhat smarter than anyone else and thus you know how societies will be ruled with the most efficiency? No you (the extremist) have a class of your own for a reason, because you're too narrowminded and you do not value life how it's should be valued. There's always a way before even thinking about resorting to extreme ways.

Some regimes used unnecessary violence.Of course they did.Take Nazi Germany for example.But sometimes, when it comes to defend your country, your familie, your religion and your ideals you will have to use any form of violence.I will certainly do that

In a modern society you won't f*cking have to use violence for those reasons. That's the point of being "modern" and having a democracy. All those who resort to violence in such cases are just weak.

All of the dictatorships in the history have failed horribly. The aftermath and side-effects of Hitler's and Stalins era's are still affecting people, generations after when they happened.
No democrasy has failed so horribly as for example those two.

I can't believe why would you still believe in authoritarianism. It sucks in so many levels.

 

[DarkZer0]

So by saying that they can't you try justify an act of tyranny and dictatorship? That's called idiotism. You're just one of those weak people who want to control all those different people and those who oppose your believes, now and here, with fear and absolute force. That isn't control, that's being weak 'cause you can't maintain a "society balance" in any other way, or atleast so you think.
That's why fascims and dictatorship are being called extremism or extremity. Minimum precentage of the people actually believe in them or would want to use them.
Do you believe that you being a minority with your beliefs make you somewhat smarter than anyone else and thus you know how societies will be ruled with the most efficiency? No you (the extremist) have a class of your own for a reason, because you're too narrowminded and you do not value life how it's should be valued. There's always a way before even thinking about resorting to extreme ways.



In a modern society you won't f*cking have to use violence for those reasons. That's the point of being "modern" and having a democracy. All those who resort to violence in such cases are just weak.

All of the dictatorships in the history have failed horribly. The aftermath and side-effects of Hitler's and Stalins era's are still affecting people, generations after when they happened.
No democrasy has failed so horribly as for example those two.

I can't believe why would you still believe in authoritarianism. It sucks in so many levels.

You are wrong.I don't want to control anyone.I was talking about people and groups that are opposed to the Greek values and threaten order and the welfare of the people of my country.The majority of my people.In Greece we make therules.It's our country.It belongs to Greeks.WE DECIDE WHO COMES WHO STAYS AND WHAT RULES HE WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW.IN GREECE IF YOUR BELIEVES ARE AGAINST OURS YOU EITHER GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY OR YOU FACE THE CONSEQUENCES .
If you don't like authoritarianism it's your problem.I'm one of those millions of people that i think is great.So stfu

 

[Rei]

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In your attempt to glorify fascism and nationalism, you are leveling history and you are spreading lies to your benefit. I am as Greek as you are and I have never met a Greek who loved Metaxas. Just because this is not a Greek forum it doesn't mean that Greeks are not around.

Also, we get it. You are anti-communist, you don't have to repeat it in every single post. People who actually know their history, know that it was Stalin's Communist Soviet Union that stopped Hitler on the east front and mourned the loss of 20.000.000 people.

There's no justification for any of the people you mentioned. A dictator is a dictator no matter if he has a 'great strategical mind' or if he is a visionaire. By definition, all dictators have committed crimes against humanity which are never to be forgiven and never to be glorified.

I feel uncomfortable with this thread; NB is a family forum. I will be watching.

 

[Rei]

You are wrong...

Next time you call someone's beliefs barbaric in this forum i will ban you. Be respectful or get the f* out of here.

 

[Emperor]

My favourite dictator has to be Turkmenbashi, of Turkmenistan.

The man built a summer palace for penguins in the desert. xd Sheer genius.

 

[Hawker]

You are wrong.I don't want to control anyone.I was talking about people and groups that are opposed to the Greek values and threaten order and the welfare of the people of my country.The majority of my people.Take Muslims for example.They come here and think they can bring their barbaric beliefs here.No .In Greece we make therules.It's our country.It belongs to Greeks.WE DECIDE WHO COMES WHO STAYS AND WHAT RULES HE WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW.IN GREECE IF YOUR BELIEVES ARE AGAINST OURS YOU EITHER GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY OR YOU FACE THE CONSEQUENCES .
If you don't like authoritarianism it's your problem.I'm one of those millions of people that i think is great.So stfu

You're still a minority. I doubt there are even million worth of people in Europe that believe in authoritarianism. Maybe in the whole world.

And before you start babbling about how to run your country MAYBE you should start thinking how to put your economy back together!? For f*ck sakes we (Finland) gave you a 2.2 billion euros worth of loan. Yeah with our taxes we paid that. Try not to f*ck it up this time WILL YOU?

You make me laugh about that authoritarianism shit when you can't even take care of your own country's economy. You're the laughing stock of all Europe. Dear lord what ever would happen if you would resort in authoritarianism, lmao.

 

[Rei]

You're still a minority. I doubt there are even million worth of people in Europe that believe in authoritarianism. Maybe in the whole world.

And before you start babbling about how to run your country MAYBE you should start thinking how to put your economy back together!? For f*ck sakes we (Finland) gave you a 2.2 billion euros worth of loan. Yeah with our taxes we paid that. Try not to f*ck it up this time WILL YOU?

You make me laugh about that authoritarianism shit when you can't even take care of your own country's economy. You're the laughing stock of all Europe. Dear lord what ever would happen if you would resort in authoritarianism, lmao.

You should try to be respectful as well. Any person with the basic intellectual skills knows that this is a crisis of capitalism and not of a specific nation. The loan you gave to Greece you will get back 5 times as much so I wouldn't be complaining if I were you. I am complaining being me. Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece are part of the same plot devised by countries such as yours.

And finally, better to be the laughing stock of all the world and Greek than to have given 0 contribution to the World's development.

 

[Hawker]

You should try to be respectful as well. Any person with the basic intellectual skills knows that this is a crisis of capitalism and not of a specific nation. The loan you gave to Greece you will get back 5 times as much so I wouldn't be complaining if I were you. I am complaining being me. Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece are part of the same plot devised by countries such as yours.

And finally, better to be the laughing stock of all the world and Greek than to have given 0 contribution to the World's development.

I meant that greeks (Darkzero most importantly) shouldn't have such arrogant national pride going on, while other nations are paying for your countrys mistakes. It has caused alot of discord and negative effects in our society 'cause the goverment decided to give a huge f*cking loan. And we are really not even sure if we are going to get it back. So it's understandable that we're frustrated 'cause we have domestic problems do deal with and that money should've gone elsewhere.

Now I wasn't saying all that 'cause of greek people. I was aiming that toward the arrogant national pride that Darkzeo was showing. Not the people actually. Also EU is considering removing Greek from the union so that's also the reason why they shouldn't have any reason for being arrogant right now and think of should they resort extreme ways.

I don't know if you're a greek but I wasn't trying to blame greek people. But I just lost my cool because we finns are a bit bitter about this.