Young Sasuke vs Young anbu kakashi

[Dannie]

How is ANBU Kakashi someone who received a Sharingan a few seconds earlier?

I was talking about the incident when Obito asked Rin to transplant his eye into Kakashi's. He had no time to develop his Sharingan during that time before the other ninja came along. Even if Kakashi had his Sharingan for a longer period of time and awakened his 3T during Rin's death, One Sharingan is still weaker than two. This can be proven from Obito and Kakashi when they finally combine their Sharingan to make a faster Kamui attack. Sasuke is a full blooded Uchiha, so his Sharingan prowess is obviously better. You would be a fool to deny this.

In fact, it's Kakashi who's more experienced with the Sharingan - because this discussion is about ANBU Kakashi who has had his 3T for a while (since killing Rin).

Sasuke had better experience with his Sharingan than Kakashi. This should be obvious.

Sasuke, on the other hand, is the one who developed it to 3T only seconds earlier (against Naruto).

Kakashi also received his 3T in seconds, so your statement is moot.

See, your own argument actually turned out to be in support of Kakashi.

No, it proves my point that Kakashi is not better than Sasuke when it comes to their respective Sharingans.
Also, you still haven't proven how Kakashi will deal with Sasuke's enhanced strength and speed when he releases his Curse Seal. Not to mention he can fly and has enhanced defense.

Plus, Kakashi has Raikiri at this point. Raikiri>Chidori.

Black Chidori.

Sigh, are there seriously no Sasuke supporters here who can come up with an argument that's neither self-refutable nor denied by Kishi?

Ok, "Logical Kakashi fanboy".

 

[Dantee]

Oh, how I love baseless assumptions which do not serve to develop the discussion in any way, only to assert yourself that you're right.
Yup, CS grants Sasuke senjutsu powers. But at the end of the day Sasuke is still chunin-level and CS won't bring him above low or mid jonin level. Well, I'm actually generous with this "mid jonin". I hate to repeat myself, but Kakashi stomps a mid jonin in a single swipe and fends off a platoon of jonin and ANBU. Come back when it is revealed that Part 1 Sasuke, even with Cursed Seal, ever defeated a jonin or kept up with a platoon of them while protecting someone else. Lol



Already showed you why they weren't random fodder. If spouting nonsense makes you feel better, go for it. But at least note down somewhere that it's for your relief and not directed to me, so I won't have to reply to stuff I've already proved to be wrong.



Yes, of course. Lol
That jonin had believed they have no way of seeing him when he is invisible (and he was right), so he rushed at Obito. The fact that Obito awakened Sharingan at this exact moment when his opponent had no idea he could be countered is a happy coincidence and you know it.
Need I remind you that Obito would have been dead two times over if it wasn't for Kakashi rescuing his ass?



With speed, with intellect, with Raikiri which is stronger than Chidori, with the ability to form Raikiri on the fly instead of requiring prep like Sasuke.

Sorry. You make no sense.



How is ANBU Kakashi someone who received a Sharingan a few seconds earlier?
In fact, it's Kakashi who's more experienced with the Sharingan - because this discussion is about ANBU Kakashi who has had his 3T for a while (since killing Rin). Sasuke, on the other hand, is the one who developed it to 3T only seconds earlier (against Naruto).
See, your own argument actually turned out to be in support of Kakashi.

Plus, Kakashi has Raikiri at this point. Raikiri>Chidori.

Sigh, are there seriously no Sasuke supporters here who can come up with an argument that's neither self-refutable nor denied by Kishi?

What was that about Kakashi not needing prep? I dont even understand how this can even be apart of the debate. Kakashi needs to prep chidori as well. Manga fact. Not even sure how this is even a game changer.

I'm asking you to provide scans of them being well known elite jounin. I don't see what was so elite about them. the manga made no mention of them thats why I am doubting it. I also remember Minato saving him from the enemies you pretend he fended off.

Kakashis abilities are already outshined by Sasuke already having a similar stature of abilities in just his base. CM puts Sasuke on a different entire scale completely. Kakashi would get crushed. He would lose to Vote Naruto as well. Speed is a non factor. Sauske has 3 tomoe sharigan, and he knows Lees taijutsu. Sasukes stamina is well above Kakashi.

 

[Dannie]

And also just to add:
If you would take a look

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you will notice that Obito has a 2T Sharingan. A few pages after,

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If this is just Anbu Kakashi then my conclusion is that Kakashi had no time to train and learn his 3T. This is just like you said with Sasuke. My conclusion is that they both received their Sharingan without any time to train with it. If in fact this is true, then Sasuke still would have the edge, given that he still has CS and CS2 on his side. Again, Kakashi has no chance.

 

[Champ]

Sasuke low diff. Stronger, faster, more chakra.

 

[sharingansennin]

Senjutsu also enhances his Sharingan, he said when he got 3T that his perception was the same as when he fought with Curse Mark vs Team Dosu. 3T + CM = Too much speed for Kakashi to deal with and if it does end up being a clash of chidori, Sasuke can use CM2 and clearly overwhelm him.

 

[Brooks]

Well, given the fact most people are blinded by Kakashi's rank of being a Jounin...i wouldn't be surprised by their simple minded posts.​

Sasuke at this time in the Vote has shown far superior Speed,Strength and Durability than Kid Kakashi or Teen Kakashi(Anub)....as well has shown feats like tanking physical blows from One-tail Kyuubi Naruto both in CM 1 and CM 2 state(which is far superior to any durability feats Kid or Teen Kakashi as shown).​

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He also shown schooling K0N in speed-wise(who was already at that time scaled to Supersonic+) what's Kakashi's speed feat again?​

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There is also the Giant Fire Style Jutsu and Black Chidori(which all in all shits on Kakashi best technique).​

 

[Latios]

How does Sasuke deal with Kakashi constantly jabbing at him with Chidori and a Sword?

 

[Bronze]

This can go either way, but leaning towards Sasuke high diff.

 

[Dannie]

How does Sasuke deal with Kakashi constantly jabbing at him with Chidori and a Sword?

How does Kakashi deal with CS enhanced strength and speed?

 

[Anna]

I would have to say Sasuke.

 

[Latios]

How does Kakashi deal with CS enhanced strength and speed?

Can't Kakashi just track his movements with 3T? Doesn't Kakashi also have his Ninkin at this time?

 

[Dannie]

Can't Kakashi just track his movements with 3T? Doesn't Kakashi also have his Ninkin at this time?

You don't understand. Sasuke with 3T and CS is faster than Kakashi with just 3T. If Sasuke was able to track Naruto's movements in chakra form then he can definitely handle Kakashi's movements.

 

[Rekudakune]

sasuke easily

 

[Takos]

You don't understand. Sasuke with 3T and CS is faster than Kakashi with just 3T. If Sasuke was able to track Naruto's movements in chakra form then he can definitely handle Kakashi's movements.

Except 3T doesn't enhance speed, it enhances perception. Given that non-CS Sasuke is clearly inferior to Kakashi in terms of speed, there's no reason to believe that CS enhancement is enough to make Sasuke faster.

Also, the fact that Sasuke's Chidori prep is much longer than Kakashi's, and the fact that Kakashi already had Raikiri at this point, which is a technique of another level than Chidori, speaks against Sasuke.
Predicting what you might say, CS gave Sasuke ability to use one more Chidori per day, nowhere is it stated that it is much more powerful than a regular one. Logically it should be, but how do you want to reasonably compare it to an S-rank jutsu? I dunno.

Not to mention everyone seems to forget that Sasuke could keep up CS2 only for the duration of a single Chidori.

 

[Dannie]

Except 3T doesn't enhance speed, it enhances perception.

I know.

Given that non-CS Sasuke is clearly inferior to Kakashi in terms of speed, there's no reason to believe that CS enhancement is enough to make Sasuke faster.

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I think he is.

Also, the fact that Sasuke's Chidori prep is much longer than Kakashi's, and the fact that Kakashi already had Raikiri at this point, which is a technique of another level than Chidori, speaks against Sasuke.

To be honest, the prep for Chidori or Raikiri is irrelevant. Kakashi will not be able to hit Sasuke because Sasuke is much faster and has three total Tomoe. His Raikiri is very linear and can easily be seen. Kakashi's only chance is to try and sneak attack Sasuke but that is pushing it.

Predicting what you might say, CS gave Sasuke ability to use one more Chidori per day, nowhere is it stated that it is much more powerful than a regular one.

To be honest, does it really matter which one is more powerful? Sasuke has a larger arsenal, and a better defense. His CS2 grants him wings, so he can defend against meager attacks and he can also glide. Logically, Sasuke has the advantage.

Logically it should be, but how do you want to reasonably compare it to an S-rank jutsu? I dunno.

S-rank jutsu. A-rank jutsu. What's the difference these days, huh? Raikiri will never hit Sasuke anyway.

Not to mention everyone seems to forget that Sasuke could keep up CS2 only for the duration of a single Chidori.

To be honest, he doesn't even need to go into CS2. CS by itself is enough. CS2 Is just overkill.

 

[Takos]

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I think he is.

What are these scans supposed to prove? That CS1 Sasuke is faster than a regular genin? Or that a regular genin appreciates Sasuke's chakra?

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A mid jonin was shocked with Kakashi's speed and barely able to counterattack base Kakashi. Speaks to me louder than a genin's statement regarding 2T Sasuke.

To be honest, the prep for Chidori or Raikiri is irrelevant. Kakashi will not be able to hit Sasuke because Sasuke is much faster and has three total Tomoe. His Raikiri is very linear and can easily be seen. Kakashi's only chance is to try and sneak attack Sasuke but that is pushing it.

Kakashi ALSO does have 3T, so he can dodge Chidori just as good. Or rather, he would be, but because Sasuke's prep time is longer, Kakashi has an obvious edge.
In other words, Kakashi's technique is both stronger (S-rank compared to A-rank) and easier to utilize (can use Raikiri on the fly).

To be honest, does it really matter which one is more powerful? Sasuke has a larger arsenal, and a better defense.

I'll repeat what I've already said in this thread: Sasuke's arsenal is Chidori, two katons and Lions Barrage. And I'll ask again, which of these is going to handle Kakashi? Also, I'm wondering where did you get this "better defense" part.

His CS2 grants him wings, so he can defend against meager attacks and he can also glide. Logically, Sasuke has the advantage.

Yup, he can glide. To be precise, CS2 duration will allow him for a single glide or two at most. After that he collapses and becomes an even easier target for Kakashi.

S-rank jutsu. A-rank jutsu. What's the difference these days, huh? Raikiri will never hit Sasuke anyway.

The difference is, Raikiri can counter Chidori, but not vice versa. And I see your second statement as nothing more than an assumption.

To be honest, he doesn't even need to go into CS2. CS by itself is enough. CS2 Is just overkill.

*chuckles*
At first you claim that Sasuke has the advantage because of CS2 wings and then say that CS2 is not necessary?

 

[Optimistic]

He blitz zaku so he fast hurr

 

[Latios]

I don't see how Sasuke deals with the massive fatigue after CS2 turns off...

 

[sharingansennin]

Except 3T doesn't enhance speed, it enhances perception. Given that non-CS Sasuke is clearly inferior to Kakashi in terms of speed, there's no reason to believe that CS enhancement is enough to make Sasuke faster.



Also, the fact that Sasuke's Chidori prep is much longer than Kakashi's, and the fact that Kakashi already had Raikiri at this point, which is a technique of another level than Chidori, speaks against Sasuke.
Predicting what you might say, CS gave Sasuke ability to use one more Chidori per day, nowhere is it stated that it is much more powerful than a regular one. Logically it should be, but how do you want to reasonably compare it to an S-rank jutsu? I dunno.

Not to mention everyone seems to forget that Sasuke could keep up CS2 only for the duration of a single Chidori.

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2 3T Sharingan + Curse Mark which as Sasuke himself said gives him better perception and overwhelming speed as shown by Sasuke vs Team Dosu prove he is far too fast and powerful for Anbu Kakashi to handle

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And he used a single chidori after using up tons of chakra in the entire fight beforehand which included, 2 chidori's multiple fire style jutsu, curse mark usage, and tons of sharingan use on top of getting injured by Naruto using his Kyuubi chakra.

 

[Takos]

Yet another one who claims outspeeding a genin is a jonin-class feat. Lol
Give me a break.