young hashirama/madara were already stronger than their fathers

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I forgot who said this (probably itachi) but a Skilled shinobi with a rock is stronger than an amateur with a kurenai
with that being said we see their fathers throwing the kurenai only to fail having them deflected with something as simple as a rock:


as you can see the exclamation marks above their heads showing how shocked they are
then madaras father lets his younger son make the descision on whether to fight them or not:


Then hes shocked to see madara show the sharingan he already had:


we know he had it already based on his talk with hashi:

meaning him hashi both hid their powers from their parents (probably because they would be used more during battles) that they didnt even want to participate in
 

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I forgot who said this (probably itachi) but a Skilled shinobi with a rock is stronger than an amateur with a kurenai
with that being said we see their fathers throwing the kurenai only to fail having them deflected with something as simple as a rock:


as you can see the exclamation marks above their heads showing how shocked they are
then madaras father lets his younger son make the descision on whether to fight them or not:


Then hes shocked to see madara show the sharingan he already had:


we know he had it already based on his talk with hashi:

meaning him hashi both hid their powers from their parents (probably because they would be used more during battles) that they didnt even want to participate in

Idk ... I'd rather be an amateur with a kurenai:

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Indeed they were. Madara's father seemed like he relied too heavily on him... That means Hashirama could solo that entire family at a young age. U_U
 

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I don't think they were stronger than their fathers at that time in Chapter 624.... :D :D
 
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lmaooooooooooooooo they had to be i mean i doesnt make sense the father even said madara was killling plenty of capable senju adults
 

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Indeed they were. Madara's father seemed like he relied too heavily on him... That means Hashirama could solo that entire family at a young age. U_U

Wow that's an even huger leap in logic than the OP took. Just because the defected kunai not even aimed at them doesn't mean they were stronger than their fathers at that point. Certainly doesn't mean they could have soled their respective families. All the OP proves is their fathers recognized their incredible potential.

The idea chibi-Madara could beat his father with 1 tomoe sharingon is pretty laughable
 

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Indeed they were. Madara's father seemed like he relied too heavily on him... That means Hashirama could solo that entire family at a young age. U_U

Highly unlikely.

Just because Young Hashi > Young Madara. That does not mean Young Hashi > Madara, Izuna and their dad. :|
 

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Doubt it. Madara only awaken one tomoe on his Sharingan while his father had all three, and his Katon should be far above Madara's at that age. Hashirama probably his daddy was a fodder.
 

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Lol with that KURENAI joke.
BTW, Madara wasn't the better than his father at that time. Instead he was the most skilled Uchiha of his age. And since he awakened the Sharingan, he stepped one step closer to being more powerful of his age.
 

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Doubt it. Madara only awaken one tomoe on his Sharingan while his father had all three, and his Katon should be far above Madara's at that age. Hashirama probably his daddy was a fodder.
Hashirama's father was said to be Madara's father equal, so if Hashirama's father was a fodder so was Madara's father
 
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that makes me wonder if you can have all of the tomes and go back to 1... we've never seen it done but that doesnt mean it is impossible
 

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Hashirama's father was said to be Madara's father equal, so if Hashirama's father was a fodder so was Madara's father

Where does it say they were equal.
 

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Where does it say they were equal.
Read this page. It's said they battled a lot in the past and was concluded they were evenly strong:
 

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yeah its the same thing that i thought while i read the manga, but i dont think so
 

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Read this page. It's said they battled a lot in the past and was concluded they were evenly strong:

Guess they were. If Madara was said to have killed sum Senju adults, I thought his father would've own him. I guess Butsuma was a above average fodder.
 
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