You still think that Hashirama can beat Madara?

[voids]

So Hashi barely beats EMS Madara with Mokuton.
But the same Hashi with the same tech's still beats Madara with Rinnegan and Mokuton

I'm not a fanboy, but this doesn't make any bit of sense.

What doesn't make a bit of sense is that you completely left out that Hashirama was fighting Kurama also. At least remember a fight before using it as an example.

 

[Crossroads]

What doesn't make a bit of sense is that you completely left out that Hashirama was fighting Kurama also. At least remember a fight before using it as an example.

Mokuton is a hard counter vs any bijuu, what you're completely leaving out is that Mokuton> Kyuubi. Madara has something even better than a Kyuubi now that he can use whenever he wants. Having this slightly puts him over Hashirama.
Add on the Rinnegan? Which would make him a giant threat to Hashi by itself. Yeah GG Hashi.

It's simple logic, I remember the fight clearly. Maybe you should dig deeper into all of the variables before arguing.

 

[KingHashirama]

This fake ass Hashirama fan.

Hashirama > Madara in taijutsu......

 

[voids]

Mokuton is a hard counter vs any bijuu, what you're completely leaving out is that Mokuton> Kyuubi. Madara has something even better than a Kyuubi now that he can use whenever he wants. Having this slightly puts him over Hashirama.
Add on the Rinnegan? Which would make him a giant threat to Hashi by itself. Yeah GG Hashi.

It's simple logic, I remember the fight clearly. Maybe you should dig deeper into all of the variables before arguing.

Don't forget that Kurama is a large stockpile of chakra that Hashirama needs to fight against, which will further exhaust his whole chakra level while fighting Madara. Hashirama was essentially fighting a battle on two front.

 

[Xāvî1]

Hashi - wood and sage mode
Madara - EMS + Rinnegan + Wood + Complete Sunsanoo

Now you will know who will win no need to compare

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[KingHashirama]

Hashi - wood and sage mode
Madara - EMS + Rinnegan + Wood + Complete Sunsanoo

Now you will know who will win no need to compare

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Hashirama - Sage mode, wood, highest chakra prowess, multiple scrolls

 

[Piratefish]

Mokuton is a hard counter vs any bijuu, what you're completely leaving out is that Mokuton> Kyuubi. Madara has something even better than a Kyuubi now that he can use whenever he wants. Having this slightly puts him over Hashirama.
Add on the Rinnegan? Which would make him a giant threat to Hashi by itself. Yeah GG Hashi.

It's simple logic, I remember the fight clearly. Maybe you should dig deeper into all of the variables before arguing.

Hashirama was stalemating EMS Madara AND Kurama ONLY using Mokuton, until Madara got creative with his Susanoo, adding Bijuu-level chakra armor to the strongest of the Bijuu and giving him Susanoo-sword-Bijuu-Bombs.

And Hashi still won.

Without Kurama, but with Mokuton and the Rinnegan, he would win, yes. But not easily.

 

[Crossroads]

Don't forget that Kurama is a large stockpile of chakra that Hashirama needs to fight against, which will further exhaust his whole chakra level while fighting Madara. Hashirama was essentially fighting a battle on two front.

The Kyuubi wasn't a big issue for Hashi to deal with, he possesses wood style jutsu which can render a Bijuu useless. Taking this away and adding Mokuton to Madara's arsenal would actually be better for fighting the First. And he has the Rinnegan... which means he can absorb any jutsu and repel any Taijutsu Hashi has to offer. There's absolutely no way Hashirama wins this fight unless he got a power-up.

 

[TrollingSage]

Hashirama must have been one hell of a beast to kick this Madara around all his life.

 

[Multiply]

Hashirama must have been one hell of a beast to kick this Madara around all his life.

So true U_U

 

[voids]

The Kyuubi wasn't a big issue for Hashi to deal with, he possesses wood style jutsu which can render a Bijuu useless. Taking this away and adding Mokuton to Madara's arsenal would actually be better for fighting the First. And he has the Rinnegan... which means he can absorb any jutsu and repel any Taijutsu Hashi has to offer. There's absolutely no way Hashirama wins this fight unless he got a power-up.

Not really especially when Madara covered it with susanoo. Really made it harder for Hashirama to render it useless. Not to forget he had to combat a TBB spam from this very same susanoo covered Kurama with a huge chakra pool. Just saying Madara may have rinnegan, but in doing so he lost Kurama which could use TBB and also also for Hashirama to fight separate entities rather than focusing on one main one which he now has to do.

 

[Crossroads]

Not really especially when Madara covered it with susanoo. Really made it harder for Hashirama to render it useless. Not to forget he had to combat a TBB spam from this very same susanoo covered Kurama with a huge chakra pool. Just saying Madara may have rinnegan, but in doing so he lost Kurama which could use TBB and also also for Hashirama to fight separate entities rather than focusing on one main one which he now has to do.

Basically in the most simple terms I can put. Hashirama barely won the fight Vs. Madara, this is something we can agree on..no?

Yes, the current Madara doesn't have a Kyuubi anymore. I believe Vs. Hashirama that Mokuton might actually be better for fighting him. (some might disagree.) If you add on Rinnegan he can do everything Pain/Nagato can do on top of his Sharingan tech's, and Mokuton. Plus his Taijutsu looks pretty baller aswell and could play a great factor. I could be dead wrong, but I really think Madara would take this current fight.

 

[Dark Slayer]

Basically in the most simple terms I can put. Hashirama barely won the fight Vs. Madara, this is something we can agree on..no?

Yes, the current Madara doesn't have a Kyuubi anymore. I believe Vs. Hashirama that Mokuton might actually be better for fighting him. (some might disagree.) If you add on Rinnegan he can do everything Pain/Nagato can do on top of his Sharingan tech's, and Mokuton. Plus his Taijutsu looks pretty baller aswell and could play a great factor. I could be dead wrong, but I really think Madara would take this current fight.

You raise an excellent point. I don't know why it's not sinking in with the fanboys.

 

[H a n]

Meh. If it was normal Madara vs normal 1st Kage. o3o Madara would die again.

 

[KingHashirama]

You raise an excellent point. I don't know why it's not sinking in with the fanboys.

Cause Hashirama did not want to kill Madara. He was holding back........ if he wan't, Madara wouldn't have lost by a troll move of Hashirama's.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol just because Madara has good taijutsu doesn't mean Hashirama has better tai jutsu....

 

[Naijakid]

Hashi fodderizes Madara and madara taijutsu feats ain't canon

 

[Naijakid]

Cause Hashirama did not want to kill Madara. He was holding back........ if he wan't, Madara wouldn't have lost by a troll move of Hashirama's.

True don't why that's so Hard for Madar fanboys to accept

 

[MrLukyso]

ncie gif, where did you get it?

Sorry to disappoint ya but..

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dat gif is pure win